Tyson Fury vs. Dereck Chisora II: who wins?

[ross]

Maybe that shot he took off Haye it the Vitali press conference has affected his resiliance. It certainly wouldnt have helped it.

I dont want to start a conspiracy here but maybe it was the legal hammering he took in the ring from Haye?

You do realise their scuffle was before that?

Chisora took a full blooded bear knuckled right hand off Haye and didn't get knocked out but it may well have affected his long term ability to take a shot. It still wasn't just a single shot that Haye stopped him with but now Chisoras getting hurt left right and centre by journeymen.

[erics44]

Last I checked Arreola was fat, not strong.

Hes contending the WBC title soon.

Is he a genuine heavy or not?

arreola is a genuine heavy, Cunningham was robbed against adamek, adamek did beat areola, fury dealt with Cunningham

fury has already beaten chiz

now with all of those facts/opinions you could put a jigsaw together in many ways, one way would be to suggest that all this proves fury is better than chiz, I don't agree with the picture you are building tho, particularly that chiz was ambitious at the time of the first fight and is less so now, I think it is much the opposite

I believe chisora is in a much better position to put up a fight against fury this time and I think there is very little between them

There is one very important, blindingly obvious fact you have left out...

They have already fought. Both had the same amount of fights, both were unbeaten and Fury won almost every round.

Now if Chisora didnt train and Fury did, ultimately that still means hes a better fighter. Hes prepared to do what he needs to win each fight. Whether its actually train harder than his opponent, lean on them, hold their head up with an elbow, whatever, the man is going to be very difficult for anyone to beat. He has an amazing attitude. Believes in himself, talks down to people, makes us laugh, fights hard, entertains and wins.

I didn't leave that out I mentioned it and yes I agree fury won almost every round

and yes on that day and in the build up to that fight fury proved he is the better fighter, if you think that means that fury is a better fighter overall due to consistent dedication then I wouldn't argue

on their day both trained up I believe there is very little between them, and at the minute I think i'm leaning towards chisora

[Dark Lord Al]

This is a natural fight for these two , as both are not out of the very top drawer , and its good to hold the European belt anyway.

[AdamGB]

Maybe that shot he took off Haye it the Vitali press conference has affected his resiliance. It certainly wouldnt have helped it.

I dont want to start a conspiracy here but maybe it was the legal hammering he took in the ring from Haye?

You do realise their scuffle was before that?

Chisora took a full blooded bear knuckled right hand off Haye and didn't get knocked out but it may well have affected his long term ability to take a shot. It still wasn't just a single shot that Haye stopped him with but now Chisoras getting hurt left right and centre by journeymen.

I'm not so sure, you can punch a lot harder with gloves on than you do bare knuckle (unless you want your hands to shatter, I thought you said you boxed?! ). Haye's hand was fine afterwards, I'd be surprised if Chisora hadn't been hit harder dozens of times in sparring that year alone.
When you hear about people getting punched outside a pub and then slipping into a coma, it's usually because they were drunk... They topple over because their balance is gone and smack the back of their head on concrete.

I know you'd love us to think that Haye had to soften Chisora up at the press conference to be able to do what Fury failed to do but even for you, that's reaching

[Memphis]

Maybe that shot he took off Haye it the Vitali press conference has affected his resiliance. It certainly wouldnt have helped it.

I dont want to start a conspiracy here but maybe it was the legal hammering he took in the ring from Haye?

You do realise their scuffle was before that?

I do indeed. I'm just suggesting that it's possible it was legitimate punches rather than some bar room brawl that did this supposed damage. Adam Booth is the only one that got damaged in that mess and he got twatted in the head with a tripod

[ross]

Maybe that shot he took off Haye it the Vitali press conference has affected his resiliance. It certainly wouldnt have helped it.

I dont want to start a conspiracy here but maybe it was the legal hammering he took in the ring from Haye?

You do realise their scuffle was before that?

Chisora took a full blooded bear knuckled right hand off Haye and didn't get knocked out but it may well have affected his long term ability to take a shot. It still wasn't just a single shot that Haye stopped him with but now Chisoras getting hurt left right and centre by journeymen.

I'm not so sure, you can punch a lot harder with gloves on than you do bare knuckle (unless you want your hands to shatter, I thought you said you boxed?! ). Haye's hand was fine afterwards, I'd be surprised if Chisora hadn't been hit harder dozens of times in sparring that year alone.
When you hear about people getting punched outside a pub and then slipping into a coma, it's usually because they were drunk... They topple over because their balance is gone and smack the back of their head on concrete.

I know you'd love us to think that Haye had to soften Chisora up at the press conference to be able to do what Fury failed to do but even for you, that's reaching

Your talking shit just to argue. Why do you think boxers have gloves on in the first place!

Obviously a bare knuckle punch is going to have more impact, do more damage than a gloved punch!!!

[Silkeyjoe]

Ross boxers wear gloves to protect their hands. That's why they were introduced.

[AdamGB]

Maybe that shot he took off Haye it the Vitali press conference has affected his resiliance. It certainly wouldnt have helped it.

I dont want to start a conspiracy here but maybe it was the legal hammering he took in the ring from Haye?

You do realise their scuffle was before that?

Chisora took a full blooded bear knuckled right hand off Haye and didn't get knocked out but it may well have affected his long term ability to take a shot. It still wasn't just a single shot that Haye stopped him with but now Chisoras getting hurt left right and centre by journeymen.

I'm not so sure, you can punch a lot harder with gloves on than you do bare knuckle (unless you want your hands to shatter, I thought you said you boxed?! ). Haye's hand was fine afterwards, I'd be surprised if Chisora hadn't been hit harder dozens of times in sparring that year alone.
When you hear about people getting punched outside a pub and then slipping into a coma, it's usually because they were drunk... They topple over because their balance is gone and smack the back of their head on concrete.

I know you'd love us to think that Haye had to soften Chisora up at the press conference to be able to do what Fury failed to do but even for you, that's reaching

Your talking shit just to argue. Why do you think boxers have gloves on in the first place!

Obviously a bare knuckle punch is going to have more impact, do more damage than a gloved punch!!!

Gloves are to protect hands Ross. Watch UFC, they use Gloves with hardly any padding and they can't dish out what a boxer can with their fists.

[ross]

Maybe that shot he took off Haye it the Vitali press conference has affected his resiliance. It certainly wouldnt have helped it.

I dont want to start a conspiracy here but maybe it was the legal hammering he took in the ring from Haye?

You do realise their scuffle was before that?

Chisora took a full blooded bear knuckled right hand off Haye and didn't get knocked out but it may well have affected his long term ability to take a shot. It still wasn't just a single shot that Haye stopped him with but now Chisoras getting hurt left right and centre by journeymen.

I'm not so sure, you can punch a lot harder with gloves on than you do bare knuckle (unless you want your hands to shatter, I thought you said you boxed?! ). Haye's hand was fine afterwards, I'd be surprised if Chisora hadn't been hit harder dozens of times in sparring that year alone.
When you hear about people getting punched outside a pub and then slipping into a coma, it's usually because they were drunk... They topple over because their balance is gone and smack the back of their head on concrete.

I know you'd love us to think that Haye had to soften Chisora up at the press conference to be able to do what Fury failed to do but even for you, that's reaching

Your talking shit just to argue. Why do you think boxers have gloves on in the first place!

Obviously a bare knuckle punch is going to have more impact, do more damage than a gloved punch!!!

Gloves are to protect hands Ross. Watch UFC, they use Gloves with hardly any padding and they can't dish out what a boxer can with their fists.

You are looking like a bunch of silly little morons.

Would you rather take a clean right hand off Haye with a gloved fist or bare knuckle?

Argument over

[Silkeyjoe]

Maybe that shot he took off Haye it the Vitali press conference has affected his resiliance. It certainly wouldnt have helped it.

I dont want to start a conspiracy here but maybe it was the legal hammering he took in the ring from Haye?

You do realise their scuffle was before that?

Chisora took a full blooded bear knuckled right hand off Haye and didn't get knocked out but it may well have affected his long term ability to take a shot. It still wasn't just a single shot that Haye stopped him with but now Chisoras getting hurt left right and centre by journeymen.

I'm not so sure, you can punch a lot harder with gloves on than you do bare knuckle (unless you want your hands to shatter, I thought you said you boxed?! ). Haye's hand was fine afterwards, I'd be surprised if Chisora hadn't been hit harder dozens of times in sparring that year alone.
When you hear about people getting punched outside a pub and then slipping into a coma, it's usually because they were drunk... They topple over because their balance is gone and smack the back of their head on concrete.

I know you'd love us to think that Haye had to soften Chisora up at the press conference to be able to do what Fury failed to do but even for you, that's reaching

Your talking shit just to argue. Why do you think boxers have gloves on in the first place!

Obviously a bare knuckle punch is going to have more impact, do more damage than a gloved punch!!!

Gloves are to protect hands Ross. Watch UFC, they use Gloves with hardly any padding and they can't dish out what a boxer can with their fists.

You are looking like a bunch of silly little morons.

Would you rather take a clean right hand off Haye with a gloved fist or bare knuckle?

Argument over

How do I look silly? That's is why gloves were introduced

[ross]

Maybe that shot he took off Haye it the Vitali press conference has affected his resiliance. It certainly wouldnt have helped it.

I dont want to start a conspiracy here but maybe it was the legal hammering he took in the ring from Haye?

You do realise their scuffle was before that?

Chisora took a full blooded bear knuckled right hand off Haye and didn't get knocked out but it may well have affected his long term ability to take a shot. It still wasn't just a single shot that Haye stopped him with but now Chisoras getting hurt left right and centre by journeymen.

I'm not so sure, you can punch a lot harder with gloves on than you do bare knuckle (unless you want your hands to shatter, I thought you said you boxed?! ). Haye's hand was fine afterwards, I'd be surprised if Chisora hadn't been hit harder dozens of times in sparring that year alone.
When you hear about people getting punched outside a pub and then slipping into a coma, it's usually because they were drunk... They topple over because their balance is gone and smack the back of their head on concrete.

I know you'd love us to think that Haye had to soften Chisora up at the press conference to be able to do what Fury failed to do but even for you, that's reaching

Your talking shit just to argue. Why do you think boxers have gloves on in the first place!

Obviously a bare knuckle punch is going to have more impact, do more damage than a gloved punch!!!

Gloves are to protect hands Ross. Watch UFC, they use Gloves with hardly any padding and they can't dish out what a boxer can with their fists.

You are looking like a bunch of silly little morons.

Would you rather take a clean right hand off Haye with a gloved fist or bare knuckle?

Argument over

How do I look silly? That's is why gloves were introduced

The initial point was blatantly obvious that a bare knuckled punch is going to do far more damage than a gloved punch and because that cant really be argued its now been turned in to gloves are to protect hands. Ayway, no... Hand wraps are to protect hands, gloves are to protect the opponent.

[Silkeyjoe]

Ok just to show how retarded you are I'll ask a question the way u did. What would you prefer taking one punch bare knuckle from Haye or 30+ or however much Haye land against him Gloved?

Argument over.

One punch ain't gonna do much to ur overall resistance. Cumulative of multiple punches is far worse.

[ross]

Ok just to show how retarded you are I'll ask a question the way u did. What would you prefer taking one punch bare knuckle from Haye or 30+ or however much Haye land against him Gloved?

Argument over.

One punch ain't gonna do much to ur overall resistance. Cumulative of multiple punches is far worse.

For fucks sakes!

Of course one uncushioned, bareknuckle punch by supposedly the most explosive puncher in the world can make a world of difference to your overall punch resistance!

Alot of people have died from one singular bareknuckle punch in silly arguments. I bet their families wish the twat who punched them had gloves on.

[Bo-Bo24]

.. So.. Tyson Fury and Dereck Chisora eh?

[Silkeyjoe]

Yea and a lot of people have taken one bare knuckle punch and have been fine. I don't know what does more damage all I know is gloves were introduced to protect fighters hands. Gloves reduce superficial damage (cuts) but most people suggest wearing gloves does more damage to the fighter because it allows one to throw stronger punches more often because their hands are protected. This is why it is ludicrous to suggest that the one bare knuckle punch Chisora took did more damage to him then the punches he's received in the ring throughout his career