Canelo wouldnt go up to 160 to face GGG

[TitoFan]

How has Cotto ducked GGG twice? Serious question. Forget these technicalities. I've always been upfront about saying Cotto has no business in the MW division... none. Cotto is too small for 160 pounds. Canelo isn't. He's bigger.... he's younger. How is Cotto's dodging of GGG equal to Canelo's dodging of GGG? Why does Canelo get to lump himself in with Cotto in saying they're both too small for 160? Sounds like Canelo deserves the bigger portion of the "sh*t pie" here. My opinion.

He actually has. When Rubio became "interim" champion that made him mandatory for Cotto or actually Martinez at that time. Rubio decided not to execute his right (most likely paid a little cash) and stepped aside to let Cotto challenge Martinez. Rubio was going to get the next shot but a few months later he fought the Kazak failed to make weight and was crushed. The Kazak then became the mandatory. The Wbc then decided to go along with an optional as long as it happened in the spring of 2015 and that the winner fights the Kazak 3 months later. Cotto did not fight in the spring and then got away with fighting Geale in June after being off an entire year. Then he was ordered to fight Golovkin again and once again the Wbc at their bequest allowed Cotto to once again skip fighting him in order to set up a fight with their native son. Step aside money once again changing hands one way or the other. They allowed this by both men stating and signing to fight him after their match is completed. Both men after all is said and done have now made it perfectly clear that they have no intention on fighting the guy because they are not middleweights. So should Cotto win he would then be on course to duck him 3 times. I dont just blame the fighters either. The wbc is up to their neck in this bullshit and they as an org have ducked their own interim champion.

Broken record or not they should have left the freakin title out of the proceedings and based on the testimony of the people who signed their names to honour the fight it should now be declared vacant.

Cotto vs GGG would never be a fair fight, and every true boxing fan knows it. Cotto started at 140, and his body frame is barely suited for 154, let alone 160. If GGG went down to 155, everyone would scream and yell that he was being drained. Fortunately, GGG seems to smart for that, so someone like Canelo won't be able to (I think) force him down there. Then we have Canelo, who wants everyone to think he's the same size as Cotto, when he's actually closer to Chavez Jr., who by the way is comically criticizing Cotto over catchweights. Canelo is obviously and clearly a full MW, and built to fight GGG right now. But he won't. Why? 'Cause he's already said he won't. Give Cotto all the grief you want for being a diva and forcing this 155-pound catchweight business.... but ducking GGG is strictly Canelo's department.

[Beanz]

You can stick your fingers in your ears but it doesn't change the facts. Cotto has ducked Golovkin.

[Primo Carnera]

At the end of the day, if Cotto feels he's not a MW , fine, give up your title.
You've proved your point, history will say you've won a title at that weight,but if you have no desire to defend it at 160, it's a piss take to every fighter in that division and to the governing body.

[TitoFan]

You can stick your fingers in your ears but it doesn't change the facts. Cotto has ducked Golovkin.

As usual with the ironclad argument.
Well... there's no fighting THAT logic.

[TitoFan]

At the end of the day, if Cotto feels he's not a MW , fine, give up your title.
You've proved your point, history will say you've won a title at that weight,but if you have no desire to defend it at 160, it's a piss take to every fighter in that division and to the governing body.

Win or lose, I believe this will be the last "MW" fight for Cotto. And if he doesn't give up the title... the responsible org should take it from him. That's what they're supposed to do.

[IamInuit]

How has Cotto ducked GGG twice? Serious question. Forget these technicalities. I've always been upfront about saying Cotto has no business in the MW division... none. Cotto is too small for 160 pounds. Canelo isn't. He's bigger.... he's younger. How is Cotto's dodging of GGG equal to Canelo's dodging of GGG? Why does Canelo get to lump himself in with Cotto in saying they're both too small for 160? Sounds like Canelo deserves the bigger portion of the "sh*t pie" here. My opinion.

He actually has. When Rubio became "interim" champion that made him mandatory for Cotto or actually Martinez at that time. Rubio decided not to execute his right (most likely paid a little cash) and stepped aside to let Cotto challenge Martinez. Rubio was going to get the next shot but a few months later he fought the Kazak failed to make weight and was crushed. The Kazak then became the mandatory. The Wbc then decided to go along with an optional as long as it happened in the spring of 2015 and that the winner fights the Kazak 3 months later. Cotto did not fight in the spring and then got away with fighting Geale in June after being off an entire year. Then he was ordered to fight Golovkin again and once again the Wbc at their bequest allowed Cotto to once again skip fighting him in order to set up a fight with their native son. Step aside money once again changing hands one way or the other. They allowed this by both men stating and signing to fight him after their match is completed. Both men after all is said and done have now made it perfectly clear that they have no intention on fighting the guy because they are not middleweights. So should Cotto win he would then be on course to duck him 3 times. I dont just blame the fighters either. The wbc is up to their neck in this bullshit and they as an org have ducked their own interim champion.

Broken record or not they should have left the freakin title out of the proceedings and based on the testimony of the people who signed their names to honour the fight it should now be declared vacant.

Cotto vs GGG would never be a fair fight, and every true boxing fan knows it. Cotto started at 140, and his body frame is barely suited for 154, let alone 160. If GGG went down to 155, everyone would scream and yell that he was being drained. Fortunately, GGG seems to smart for that, so someone like Canelo won't be able to (I think) force him down there. Then we have Canelo, who wants everyone to think he's the same size as Cotto, when he's actually closer to Chavez Jr., who by the way is comically criticizing Cotto over catchweights. Canelo is obviously and clearly a full MW, and built to fight GGG right now. But he won't. Why? 'Cause he's already said he won't. Give Cotto all the grief you want for being a diva and forcing this 155-pound catchweight business.... but ducking GGG is strictly Canelo's department.

But you could say that about hundreds of fights throughout history and lets get real here, nobody has ever played this kind of game with the title he won from Martinez which was more then just the WBC.
I said on this very forum as a Cotto fan that he should have retired right after Martinez because he is not a middleweight. He didn't. He instead chose to defend fraudulently a title he himself suggests he has no business defending and making a mockery of the sport, the division and the Ring title. And Alvarez is a product.

The Kazak is no big middleweight. He was 170 on fight night. Roach also says he knows how to beat him. Bottom line is this for the third time in this thread. The lineal, Ring and Wbc middleweight title of the world has no freakin business being involved with this fight PERIOD! It makes little difference to me who takes that personally because the fiasco happens to involve someones favourite fighter. It involves one of mine also namely Cotto. Its still a joke and a piss stain on boxing. This is right up there with what Leonard pulled against Lalonde on the bullshit scale.

[TitoFan]

How has Cotto ducked GGG twice? Serious question. Forget these technicalities. I've always been upfront about saying Cotto has no business in the MW division... none. Cotto is too small for 160 pounds. Canelo isn't. He's bigger.... he's younger. How is Cotto's dodging of GGG equal to Canelo's dodging of GGG? Why does Canelo get to lump himself in with Cotto in saying they're both too small for 160? Sounds like Canelo deserves the bigger portion of the "sh*t pie" here. My opinion.

He actually has. When Rubio became "interim" champion that made him mandatory for Cotto or actually Martinez at that time. Rubio decided not to execute his right (most likely paid a little cash) and stepped aside to let Cotto challenge Martinez. Rubio was going to get the next shot but a few months later he fought the Kazak failed to make weight and was crushed. The Kazak then became the mandatory. The Wbc then decided to go along with an optional as long as it happened in the spring of 2015 and that the winner fights the Kazak 3 months later. Cotto did not fight in the spring and then got away with fighting Geale in June after being off an entire year. Then he was ordered to fight Golovkin again and once again the Wbc at their bequest allowed Cotto to once again skip fighting him in order to set up a fight with their native son. Step aside money once again changing hands one way or the other. They allowed this by both men stating and signing to fight him after their match is completed. Both men after all is said and done have now made it perfectly clear that they have no intention on fighting the guy because they are not middleweights. So should Cotto win he would then be on course to duck him 3 times. I dont just blame the fighters either. The wbc is up to their neck in this bullshit and they as an org have ducked their own interim champion.

Broken record or not they should have left the freakin title out of the proceedings and based on the testimony of the people who signed their names to honour the fight it should now be declared vacant.

Cotto vs GGG would never be a fair fight, and every true boxing fan knows it. Cotto started at 140, and his body frame is barely suited for 154, let alone 160. If GGG went down to 155, everyone would scream and yell that he was being drained. Fortunately, GGG seems to smart for that, so someone like Canelo won't be able to (I think) force him down there. Then we have Canelo, who wants everyone to think he's the same size as Cotto, when he's actually closer to Chavez Jr., who by the way is comically criticizing Cotto over catchweights. Canelo is obviously and clearly a full MW, and built to fight GGG right now. But he won't. Why? 'Cause he's already said he won't. Give Cotto all the grief you want for being a diva and forcing this 155-pound catchweight business.... but ducking GGG is strictly Canelo's department.

But you could say that about hundreds of fights throughout history and lets get real here, nobody has ever played this kind of game with the title he won from Martinez which was more then just the WBC.
I said on this very forum as a Cotto fan that he should have retired right after Martinez because he is not a middleweight. He didn't. He instead chose to defend fraudulently a title he himself suggests he has no business defending and making a mockery of the sport, the division and the Ring title. And Alvarez is a product.

The Kazak is no big middleweight. He was 170 on fight night. Roach also says he knows how to beat him. Bottom line is this for the third time in this thread. The lineal, Ring and Wbc middleweight title of the world has no freakin business being involved with this fight PERIOD! It makes little difference to me who takes that personally because the fiasco happens to involve someones favourite fighter. It involves one of mine also namely Cotto. Its still a joke and a piss stain on boxing. This is right up there with what Leonard pulled against Lalonde on the bullshit scale.

And for the umpteenth time, you and Greenbeanz are barking up the wrong tree. I'm over HERE (waving). First..... this is a CANELO thread. Why are we veering off course and attacking your favorite punching bag (ie: Cotto)? Show me where I've defended Cotto's actions regarding the MW belt, or where I've claimed he's a MW. Once again.... and as clearly as I can..... no, Cotto shouldn't be holding a MW belt. How did he get it? Did he steal it at gunpoint from the boxing org? Did he win it in a crap shooting game? No. He was allowed to get the belt through his previous fights. Blame the orgs, blame the commissions, blame boxing itself. Cotto said, "I want to be a MW, but at a catchweight." The orgs said ok. They should've said, NO... it's 160 or nothing. But they didn't. Does Cotto have that kind of power over the boxing orgs? Apparently.

What I find hilarious is we can't even have a thread on Canelo's shameless parading as a SMW, hiding out in Cotto's 155-division, claiming to be the same size as Cotto, when he obviously isn't..... and already laying out the groundwork for his ducking of GGG, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE THE SAME SIZE. No.... let's not continue on the point of the thread. Let's just keep attacking Cotto instead.

You or Beanz want to start a "I hate Cotto" thread.....please do. I'll even throw in a few useful nuggets myself.

[TitoFan]

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[IamInuit]

How has Cotto ducked GGG twice? Serious question. Forget these technicalities. I've always been upfront about saying Cotto has no business in the MW division... none. Cotto is too small for 160 pounds. Canelo isn't. He's bigger.... he's younger. How is Cotto's dodging of GGG equal to Canelo's dodging of GGG? Why does Canelo get to lump himself in with Cotto in saying they're both too small for 160? Sounds like Canelo deserves the bigger portion of the "sh*t pie" here. My opinion.

He actually has. When Rubio became "interim" champion that made him mandatory for Cotto or actually Martinez at that time. Rubio decided not to execute his right (most likely paid a little cash) and stepped aside to let Cotto challenge Martinez. Rubio was going to get the next shot but a few months later he fought the Kazak failed to make weight and was crushed. The Kazak then became the mandatory. The Wbc then decided to go along with an optional as long as it happened in the spring of 2015 and that the winner fights the Kazak 3 months later. Cotto did not fight in the spring and then got away with fighting Geale in June after being off an entire year. Then he was ordered to fight Golovkin again and once again the Wbc at their bequest allowed Cotto to once again skip fighting him in order to set up a fight with their native son. Step aside money once again changing hands one way or the other. They allowed this by both men stating and signing to fight him after their match is completed. Both men after all is said and done have now made it perfectly clear that they have no intention on fighting the guy because they are not middleweights. So should Cotto win he would then be on course to duck him 3 times. I dont just blame the fighters either. The wbc is up to their neck in this bullshit and they as an org have ducked their own interim champion.

Broken record or not they should have left the freakin title out of the proceedings and based on the testimony of the people who signed their names to honour the fight it should now be declared vacant.

Cotto vs GGG would never be a fair fight, and every true boxing fan knows it. Cotto started at 140, and his body frame is barely suited for 154, let alone 160. If GGG went down to 155, everyone would scream and yell that he was being drained. Fortunately, GGG seems to smart for that, so someone like Canelo won't be able to (I think) force him down there. Then we have Canelo, who wants everyone to think he's the same size as Cotto, when he's actually closer to Chavez Jr., who by the way is comically criticizing Cotto over catchweights. Canelo is obviously and clearly a full MW, and built to fight GGG right now. But he won't. Why? 'Cause he's already said he won't. Give Cotto all the grief you want for being a diva and forcing this 155-pound catchweight business.... but ducking GGG is strictly Canelo's department.

But you could say that about hundreds of fights throughout history and lets get real here, nobody has ever played this kind of game with the title he won from Martinez which was more then just the WBC.
I said on this very forum as a Cotto fan that he should have retired right after Martinez because he is not a middleweight. He didn't. He instead chose to defend fraudulently a title he himself suggests he has no business defending and making a mockery of the sport, the division and the Ring title. And Alvarez is a product.

The Kazak is no big middleweight. He was 170 on fight night. Roach also says he knows how to beat him. Bottom line is this for the third time in this thread. The lineal, Ring and Wbc middleweight title of the world has no freakin business being involved with this fight PERIOD! It makes little difference to me who takes that personally because the fiasco happens to involve someones favourite fighter. It involves one of mine also namely Cotto. Its still a joke and a piss stain on boxing. This is right up there with what Leonard pulled against Lalonde on the bullshit scale.

And for the umpteenth time, you and Greenbeanz are barking up the wrong tree. I'm over HERE (waving). First..... this is a CANELO thread. Why are we veering off course and attacking your favorite punching bag (ie: Cotto)? Show me where I've defended Cotto's actions regarding the MW belt, or where I've claimed he's a MW. Once again.... and as clearly as I can..... no, Cotto shouldn't be holding a MW belt. How did he get it? Did he steal it at gunpoint from the boxing org? Did he win it in a crap shooting game? No. He was allowed to get the belt through his previous fights. Blame the orgs, blame the commissions, blame boxing itself. Cotto said, "I want to be a MW, but at a catchweight." The orgs said ok. They should've said, NO... it's 160 or nothing. But they didn't. Does Cotto have that kind of power over the boxing orgs? Apparently.

What I find hilarious is we can't even have a thread on Canelo's shameless parading as a SMW, hiding out in Cotto's 155-division, claiming to be the same size as Cotto, when he obviously isn't..... and already laying out the groundwork for his ducking of GGG, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE THE SAME SIZE. No.... let's not continue on the point of the thread. Let's just keep attacking Cotto instead.

You or Beanz want to start a "I hate Cotto" thread.....please do. I'll even throw in a few useful nuggets myself.

You are mistaken. Same tree, same bark. They are both complicit and Alvarez is doing nothing more then following Cotto's marketing gimmick. They are complicit and equal partners in this charade. Both are also dishonourable because they both agreed to fight the guy next in order to cash in on millions while holding the middleweight title hostage because they had and have no intention of doing so. Ergo they are also both liars. Both crap on boxing. Both water down the division to root rot. Cotto had to be there for this thread to start. To say that this thread is about Alvarez and Alvarez alone is myopic. I'm not sure how Cotto cant be involved. He shares in the responsibility for creating this whole thing. Alvarez could do himself a favour if he wins by promptly handing the title back to Sulaiman. Should Cotto win he best retire or vacate it.

[TitoFan]

I'm actually tiring of all this misdirected hate and rhetoric.

Canelo, to me, is a ginger-haired version of Chavez Jr. The same Junior who is now shooting his mouth about not liking Cotto because of his catchweights. If that isn't the most ironically hilarious thing in the world....

Two fights ago, Canelo "weighed in" at 155 pounds for Angulo. His fight night weight was 174, a pound away from the cruiserweight limit. For his fight against Kirkland, Canelo again made 155. Who the hell knows how much he weighed at fight night, 'cause I don't think that bit of information was made public.

And yet Ginger has the nerve to say he won't fight GGG at 160. How the f*ck is he trying to kid?? Is this a new thing now? Drying out to 3 divisions lower than your true weight, and then outweighing your opponents by 30 pounds? Why isn't anybody throwing a fit about this??

Absolute B.S.

[Primo Carnera]

We all know Canelo is easily a MW, but if he's that desperate to avoid GGG that he boils down to 154 , that's up to him. My problem is that he doesn't , he goes to 155 and shit like that.
If he was honest and said "I'm going up to MW, and I want to beat everyone, but I won't be ready for GGG first fight out, it'll take time", again fine. The Cotto fight is a good fight on its own merit, it doesn't need a title attached to it and shouldn't have one (unless it's the 154 strap).

[Kirkland Laing]

I'm actually tiring of all this misdirected hate and rhetoric.

Canelo, to me, is a ginger-haired version of Chavez Jr. The same Junior who is now shooting his mouth about not liking Cotto because of his catchweights. If that isn't the most ironically hilarious thing in the world....

Two fights ago, Canelo "weighed in" at 155 pounds for Angulo. His fight night weight was 174, a pound away from the cruiserweight limit. For his fight against Kirkland, Canelo again made 155. Who the hell knows how much he weighed at fight night, 'cause I don't think that bit of information was made public.

And yet Ginger has the nerve to say he won't fight GGG at 160. How the f*ck is he trying to kid?? Is this a new thing now? Drying out to 3 divisions lower than your true weight, and then outweighing your opponents by 30 pounds? Why isn't anybody throwing a fit about this??

Absolute B.S.

I saw that and I thought you might mention it. Here it is for everybody to have a laugh over:

"I pick Canelo [to beat Cotto] because he's Mexican, he's younger and I don't like too much Cotto, because he fight no good fighters at catch-weights, and these things the people know who wins. He needs to fight somebody like Canelo, like Lara, all these fighters. Lara, Canelo, Andrade..all of these fighters are better than this guy," Chavez Jr. told Fight Hub.

Chavez Jr. Rips Cotto Over Catch-Weight Fights - Boxing News