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[Gandalf]

But think of l the diversity u are missing, it's enrichment

Trust me. If you put 30 estate families in my building with their petty crime, smoking, weed etc, then things would turn to shit pretty quickly. Sometimes 'diversity' is the last thing you need. Let a lawyer into the building and maybe he can have a kid, but a lawyer, plus 30 other families, 10 of them not even working, the others taking local jobs. It does not work and I wouldn't want them to try it. It would make life worse for the local population and it would make my life worse too. I don't want them. Thankfully those people mostly have no way of getting in.

Estate Families? Petty crime? What a judgmental self righteous attitude.You don't even want them to work? You are exactly the same as Brockton. Typical pretentious snob who demands privilege for themselves even if it means treading on others and not offering them the same opportunities to get it. The local population? Most of them were born there unlike many in the luxury blocks next door. You are just a typical racist class traitor.

You know what council estates are like, Beanz. They are rough places where kids hang out on street corners smoking, where local people buy and sell drugs from dealers, where violence is not uncommon, where some refuse to do a days work, where people are selling used stolen goods, where some have ridiculous numbers of children etc. Not all people are like that, but all too many are and my point was that it would turn my area into the same and nobody wants that. I don't care about house prices, I care about quality of life. This behavior was pretty common growing up and I don't think it is good for anyone. It would be terrible for me and most of the people around me. Who wants to be surrounded by the faint whiff of violence? Or drugs? Or dangerous kids? I would love for them to work, to have less children, to be peaceful, to turn away from crime etc, but they should do it there and not come over here and do it. I am not a snob for wanting countries to control their borders and let in only law abiding people. Take the Ethiopian rapists for instance, I am not a snob for thinking they had no place in Germany.

I do not demand privilege. Anybody can come here providing they follow a few checks. It's sensible to only want people who will provide value to the country, otherwise what is it for? It was being nice to those Ethiopians to let them into Germany, but that's how they showed their gratitude. There are no go areas all over Europe now. Being nice doesn't help in the long run. It leads to serious social problems. I just think it is better to be realistic about that. On that basis, I do think it would be a disaster to let dozens of scallies move into my neighborhood. They wouldn't be able to do anything.

Does that not make sense to you? I am not right wing or extreme, I just think it is a bit of common sense.

[El Kabong]

Some people pay good money to get the fuck away from the riff raff, some people work their entire lives so that their children don't have to deal with that shit.


If council estates or projects were good places to raise families....everyone would WANT to live there.

I'm a common man. Do I enjoy some extravagances? Sure they are pleasures that I work to earn. I don't begrudge people who have a hard time finding their way in life, but their poor choices shouldn't become my burden.

[Beanz]

But think of l the diversity u are missing, it's enrichment

Trust me. If you put 30 estate families in my building with their petty crime, smoking, weed etc, then things would turn to shit pretty quickly. Sometimes 'diversity' is the last thing you need. Let a lawyer into the building and maybe he can have a kid, but a lawyer, plus 30 other families, 10 of them not even working, the others taking local jobs. It does not work and I wouldn't want them to try it. It would make life worse for the local population and it would make my life worse too. I don't want them. Thankfully those people mostly have no way of getting in.

Estate Families? Petty crime? What a judgmental self righteous attitude.You don't even want them to work? You are exactly the same as Brockton. Typical pretentious snob who demands privilege for themselves even if it means treading on others and not offering them the same opportunities to get it. The local population? Most of them were born there unlike many in the luxury blocks next door. You are just a typical racist class traitor.

You know what council estates are like, Beanz. They are rough places where kids hang out on street corners smoking, where local people buy and sell drugs from dealers, where violence is not uncommon, where some refuse to do a days work, where people are selling used stolen goods, where some have ridiculous numbers of children etc. Not all people are like that, but all too many are and my point was that it would turn my area into the same and nobody wants that. I don't care about house prices, I care about quality of life. This behavior was pretty common growing up and I don't think it is good for anyone. It would be terrible for me and most of the people around me. Who wants to be surrounded by the faint whiff of violence? Or drugs? Or dangerous kids? I would love for them to work, to have less children, to be peaceful, to turn away from crime etc, but they should do it there and not come over here and do it. I am not a snob for wanting countries to control their borders and let in only law abiding people. Take the Ethiopian rapists for instance, I am not a snob for thinking they had no place in Germany.

I do not demand privilege. Anybody can come here providing they follow a few checks. It's sensible to only want people who will provide value to the country, otherwise what is it for? It was being nice to those Ethiopians to let them into Germany, but that's how they showed their gratitude. There are no go areas all over Europe now. Being nice doesn't help in the long run. It leads to serious social problems. I just think it is better to be realistic about that. On that basis, I do think it would be a disaster to let dozens of scallies move into my neighborhood. They wouldn't be able to do anything.

Does that not make sense to you? I am not right wing or extreme, I just think it is a bit of common sense.

Yes it makes absolute sense and just proves what a fucking snob you are. Riff Raff? Scallies? People on council estates are people. Not some other class of alien for whom there is no hope. Apparently you grew up in one and yet you have just used the most extreme examples to slag off the majority, the same as your argument with Muslims or Immigrants etc. It's fucking rubbish reasoning. Gutter politics and you seem to think that you are above others. Fucking champagne socialist.


They wouldn't be able to do anything?


And your mob are supposed to be boxing fans? Something that provides people opportunities to learn and grow as human beings. It seems like you want social apartheid and wouldn't actually want to engage with anyone unless they had a suit on. Plenty of people in private homes have ridiculous numbers of children, are violent, deal and sell drugs. What the fuck is your problem with the working class that you would have to demonize anyone not like you?

[Beanz]

Some people pay good money to get the fuck away from the riff raff, some people work their entire lives so that their children don't have to deal with that shit.


If council estates or projects were good places to raise families....everyone would WANT to live there.

I'm a common man. Do I enjoy some extravagances? Sure they are pleasures that I work to earn. I don't begrudge people who have a hard time finding their way in life, but their poor choices shouldn't become my burden.

You sound just like Miles. You probably will not listen to me because you think you know it all but believe me life is not just about good and poor choices. Many people do not have the choices that others do, be that because of circumstance, disability, lack of intelligence, no decent role models, being victims of violence, mental and sexual abuse etc etc


And yet as a Christian you want to refer to them as YOUR Burden? what about there burdens? anybody can look after their own, fucking Nazis and Muslim Extremists look after their own. What about looking after people not like you? You resent that too?


We are talking about people who were housed in a building that torched and killed their relatives being rehoused in social housing that because it is attached to luxury apartments you think they should be denied the chance to move into ?


Fucking get a grip

[El Kabong]

When you're wanting to force place people in property you don't own yeah those property owners didn't sign up for that any more than those folks signed up for the fire.


Now should the government say "house these people and we'll give you some benefit should you want it" fine.

After hurricane Katrina we here in the US had to deal with that same thing on a much larger scale.


Grandstand all you like comrade

[Beanz]

When you're wanting to force place people in property you don't own yeah those property owners didn't sign up for that any more than those folks signed up for the fire.Now should the government say "house these people and we'll give you some benefit should you want it" fine.After hurricane Katrina we here in the US had to deal with that same thing on a much larger scale.Grandstand all you like comrade

They are empty properties, some not even finished being built and they are social housing. Paid for by the government who caused the death of those relatives by cost cutting and you, all the way over in America are pissed about this?

[Beanz]

Have to say I am pretty amazed at the callousness of the responses to new that the families affected by this are to be rehoused near to their friends and relatives rather than hundreds of miles away as often happens.

The right wing fake news is just swallowed whole and the fact that they will be housed in flats already set aside as social housing is ignored and people are focusing on the fact that it will be next to luxury flats.


It is because of the views of luxury flat owners, ironically many of whom are dodgy middle eastern and Russian Criminals wanting the eye sore of a council flat to be hidden behind what ended up being a lethal flammable cladding, that these families are homeless.


And yet the clowns are now suggesting that the luxury flat owners are now ' victims ' because of having to live next to Londoners. Clueless. Housing is so expensive and in short supply in London that many, many people and families in social housing work bloody hard. I have many friends who live in council flats in London but work, Tree Surgeons, Musicians, Plumbers etc. You don't even have to be poor to not be able to afford youwr own flat but the working poor is a bigger percentage than the unemployed poor, and yet people still want to look down their nose at them? After pretending to understand Joe sixpack or pretending to want an end to social inequality.

I am a fucking idiot for believing that a lot must get lost in translation and that we were all normal everyday working people. It seems many think they are above us.


We own our home and yet on the other side of the road it is council housing. This is quite usual in Britain where you have been able to buy council houses since Thatcher and mixed development is the norm. I always thought that was a good thing. Apparently not. Social segregation and apartheid is apparently preferable.

[Dia bando]

There is nothing wrong with social housing it was a great success for people on low incomes,! it provided a good home for people lets not be snobs I know plenty of shit bags who have there own houses.
Good people dont have to be rich remember money does not make you a good person very sad indeed to be judged by how much money you got and not by the person you are.!
Dont think a big house a nice car makes you the dogs bollocks sorry I know one or two that are the biggest pieces of shit you could meet horrible bastards no friends just first class cunts.
On the other hand I have friends from council house backgrounds that are fine upstanding people I am no snob I know good people from bad my wife lived in a council house how wrong people can be there again I am not a snob.

[Batman]

Beanz, I have to say I have a lot to say at the moment and most of it is disagreeing with you, I'm too drunk to articulate my thoughts at the minute though, plus I think (or hope) that I have got the wrong end of the stick.

I'm gunna re-read this tomorrow before I take the moral high ground.

so when I say in my opening line that I have to say that I have a lot to say, what I really mean is that I think I have a lot to say but I'm not going to say it just yet because I'm not sure if what I have to say is what I mean to say or if I am fully understanding the comments that have caused me to feel that I have a lot to say...at present though I disagree with you Beanz, however I will be more than happy to reevaluate my views tomorrow

I'm just glad that Paul Kevin lives on

[Batman]

We are talking about people who were housed in a building that torched and killed their relatives

As drunk as I am at the minute am I not right in thinking that this was the original topic and the thread has gone way off it.

Also is no one else going to mention the fucking abomination that is the fucking 'charity single' that they have release an abomination is being too kind, it is cancer to the side holes, it nearly killed me listening to it, they had the obligatory out of place rap which actually raps over the opening line of the song, it is fucking terrible, my ears will never fucking recover from it.

[Master]

Beanz, I have to say I have a lot to say at the moment and most of it is disagreeing with you, I'm too drunk to articulate my thoughts at the minute though, plus I think (or hope) that I have got the wrong end of the stick.

I'm gunna re-read this tomorrow before I take the moral high ground.

so when I say in my opening line that I have to say that I have a lot to say, what I really mean is that I think I have a lot to say but I'm not going to say it just yet because I'm not sure if what I have to say is what I mean to say or if I am fully understanding the comments that have caused me to feel that I have a lot to say...at present though I disagree with you Beanz, however I will be more than happy to reevaluate my views tomorrow

I'm just glad that Paul Kevin lives on

After that rambling post I think I am starting to appreciate PK.

[Batman]

Beanz, I have to say I have a lot to say at the moment and most of it is disagreeing with you, I'm too drunk to articulate my thoughts at the minute though, plus I think (or hope) that I have got the wrong end of the stick.

I'm gunna re-read this tomorrow before I take the moral high ground.

so when I say in my opening line that I have to say that I have a lot to say, what I really mean is that I think I have a lot to say but I'm not going to say it just yet because I'm not sure if what I have to say is what I mean to say or if I am fully understanding the comments that have caused me to feel that I have a lot to say...at present though I disagree with you Beanz, however I will be more than happy to reevaluate my views tomorrow

I'm just glad that Paul Kevin lives on

After that rambling post I think I am starting to appreciate PK.

You know what they say

you don't know what you had, till you ban it.

get used to it you prick, long live @hayden28

[Master]

Beanz, I have to say I have a lot to say at the moment and most of it is disagreeing with you, I'm too drunk to articulate my thoughts at the minute though, plus I think (or hope) that I have got the wrong end of the stick.

I'm gunna re-read this tomorrow before I take the moral high ground.

so when I say in my opening line that I have to say that I have a lot to say, what I really mean is that I think I have a lot to say but I'm not going to say it just yet because I'm not sure if what I have to say is what I mean to say or if I am fully understanding the comments that have caused me to feel that I have a lot to say...at present though I disagree with you Beanz, however I will be more than happy to reevaluate my views tomorrow

I'm just glad that Paul Kevin lives on

After that rambling post I think I am starting to appreciate PK.

You know what they say

you don't know what you had, till you ban it.

get used to it you prick, long live @hayden28

You have work tomorrow so get some sleep.

[Batman]

Beanz, I have to say I have a lot to say at the moment and most of it is disagreeing with you, I'm too drunk to articulate my thoughts at the minute though, plus I think (or hope) that I have got the wrong end of the stick.

I'm gunna re-read this tomorrow before I take the moral high ground.

so when I say in my opening line that I have to say that I have a lot to say, what I really mean is that I think I have a lot to say but I'm not going to say it just yet because I'm not sure if what I have to say is what I mean to say or if I am fully understanding the comments that have caused me to feel that I have a lot to say...at present though I disagree with you Beanz, however I will be more than happy to reevaluate my views tomorrow

I'm just glad that Paul Kevin lives on

After that rambling post I think I am starting to appreciate PK.

You know what they say

you don't know what you had, till you ban it.

get used to it you prick, long live @hayden28

You have work tomorrow so get some sleep.

fuck work, I come home limping because of the anal rape that I have to endure on a daily basis.

I get drunk on a Thursday to get it out of my system so I can have a clear head for the weekend, I'd much rather get paid for being hungover rather than lie in bed screaming into puddles of my own vomit whilst berating every decision I've ever made on a Saturday or Sunday morning

p.s. a word of advice, if you are looking to get with a red head, don't call them a ginger fuckbag, it doesn't go down so well

[Gandalf]

Back on the topic of the London Tower people. Well my views are simple. I don't think people have a right to own property overseas and not be living or working in the country. It's a law that should change immediately. London is not English, but I would sooner homes go to the middle class and poor who actually live and work in the city than some anonymous group of super rich who are never anywhere to be seen. It's like nationalising key services, the land of the UK is for British people and you shouldn't even need to give compensation totalling more than the raw materials and labour used to make the building.

I guess that will then make me a Communist according to some. You can't win!