Has anybody in your family had the Corona virus?

[El Kabong]

Yes I have it so does my Mrs, our grandson had it, her brother and Mum have it, and my Dad had it.

Or do we/did we?

Fuck knows without a test.

And shove your poll up your arse.

It won't be the first or last time will it Gladys?

I'm not being mean spirited here. If you say you and everyone you've listed had it, maybe you did.....MAYBE.....I'm dubious of your claim just due to the health issues you've listed for various family members before.

Now either this virus is "just the flu" OR "it's deadly if you've got comorbidities" it can't be both can it? Unless of course there's variations of the virus where it's not as bad for some folks.

Did any of you end up in the hospital? If not, that is MOST impressive given the comorbidities you've expressed in the past. And what your dad has to be up there in age as well, you're 50 that means he has got to be at the absolute VERY least what 66 or so? Did he require hospital? He didn't get tested if he WAS put in hospital? Does that seem right? Especially if the NHS is the best of the best in terms of care provided, you'd just think they'd have the tests and give them to people showing symptoms.


As of today 'The Guardian' says there's 142 cases in Plymouth
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-there-near-me

Looks like your area is hardly the hotbed of activity all things considered.

[El Kabong]

Lottery winners are fake too, and people who successfully beat bookmakers. Mugs game. Mugs only. 10,000/1.

If it's those kind of odds then why the fuck is everything shut down?

[walrus]

Didn’t see fareed but isn’t the slightly over 3% death rate from the us statistics? Honestly I’m behind right now after tonight I’m off for a few days I can follow the wuhan news. My understanding is the us has a 3.2 death rate per 100k while China reports a.24% death rate for every 100k. I think it’s possible, not likely that I might have had this thing because I had a flu like no flu I ever had before. It was brutal. Of course it could have just been an intense case of the regular influenza. Anyway I think we are in overkill a bit. The entire country is not a hot spot. There are several areas that have very little if any cases of wuhan. I was talking to the nurses this morning and something is going on. Many of their coworkers caught wuhan and a couple died. Sad. What’s sad is we have bed opens at our place but we can not take anyone in due to the governors rules.

[Memphis]

Does the absence of Coronavirus in your social circle mean or prove anything other than no one in your social circle has it or has had it? Is that minuscule slice of the World supposed to be representative of the remainder?

The goal posts on this have shifted and continue to shift as the true picture is painted. Echoed right here with the question does anyone know anyone that’s had it. To continue to support that narrative We now need to be related.

Let’s hope the answer to the question continues to be no.

I like to put it into perspective. This will pass soon and few will have family who even had it. Everyone will have family who will die from cancer or heart disease. 10 years from now this will be a flash in the pan while cancer and heart disease continue to kill in much higher numbers as they are even now.

It is nasty for some of course and I do not mock anyone's death or suffering. I just don't know anyone with it. My wife must have hundreds of friends and even someone in Daegu. I have less friends, but know a good 20 or so that all have family both here and back home and nothing.

Of course I hope it remains that way. I am a bit worried about Brock actually. Unless he is here, he has gone missing. Dia have you heard from the Brockster?

I get that, nothing wrong with perspective but this is almost like your there shouldn't be special Olympics claim on the basis that they aren't really the best so why bother? Do we relegate Alzheimer on the basis that it isn't as bad as a stroke? Stroke on the basis that it isn't heart disease?

You're having to shift the goal posts again and bring cancer or heart disease into the mix because despite being a decent sound bite to start with, the it's no worse than flu claim (I used it too) is becoming less and less sustainable and something far worse is now required to tow the line.

[Memphis]

Yes I have it so does my Mrs, our grandson had it, her brother and Mum have it, and my Dad had it.

Or do we/did we?

Fuck knows without a test.

And shove your poll up your arse.

It won't be the first or last time will it Gladys?

I'm not being mean spirited here. If you say you and everyone you've listed had it, maybe you did.....MAYBE.....I'm dubious of your claim just due to the health issues you've listed for various family members before.

Now either this virus is "just the flu" OR "it's deadly if you've got comorbidities" it can't be both can it? Unless of course there's variations of the virus where it's not as bad for some folks.

Did any of you end up in the hospital? If not, that is MOST impressive given the comorbidities you've expressed in the past. And what your dad has to be up there in age as well, you're 50 that means he has got to be at the absolute VERY least what 66 or so? Did he require hospital? He didn't get tested if he WAS put in hospital? Does that seem right? Especially if the NHS is the best of the best in terms of care provided, you'd just think they'd have the tests and give them to people showing symptoms.


As of today 'The Guardian' says there's 142 cases in Plymouth
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-there-near-me

Looks like your area is hardly the hotbed of activity all things considered.

You're dubious of this claim due to previously mentioned health conditions? Nah mate, not buying it unless one of you pops yer clogs.

It's from zero to death right? Some will be asymptomatic, some will get mild symptoms. Some will die, most will recover. Some with underlying conditions will be more at risk. No idea who you were quoting when you said it's either flu or deadly, that's just nuts. Probably taken out of context I reckon.

This is no worse than flu right? Would you be so keen to dismiss a claim of flu doing the rounds through a family? Google cases in my (someone elses ) area? Weird.

[TitoFan]

Cancer, heart conditions, Alzheimer's, etc.......... all diseases that come from genetically pre-disposed conditions, lifestyle, hereditary considerations, and other factors out of our control.

A virus is something you catch from someone else, through some type of social contact.

Can we stop comparing COVID statistics with those of cancer and heart attacks, FFS?

Thanks.

[Memphis]

Are you trying to tell us what we can and can’t do?

TIC will have none of this!!!

[El Kabong]

You're dubious of this claim due to previously mentioned health conditions?

Absolutely.

Nah mate, not buying it unless one of you pops yer clogs.

Well he himself doesn't know if in fact he/they had it. Apparently they weren't tested and if they weren't even tested I doubt they were in the hospital, though I've asked before saying 100% they weren't hospitalized.

It's from zero to death right?

It's hard to tell due to how this has been reported. The reporting of it has been heavily politicized. Hell the death totals are heavily politicized people who test positive but die from other causes are listed as dying by the Chinese Coronavirus.

Some will be asymptomatic, some will get mild symptoms. Some will die, most will recover. Some with underlying conditions will be more at risk. No idea who you were quoting when you said it's either flu or deadly, that's just nuts. Probably taken out of context I reckon.

Have you ever read what Beanz has said about his family? Do you think it's reasonable to believe they would be of the "asymptomatic" or "mild" cases? Ergo my questioning his claims. I'm not being mean, his story doesn't really add up for me.....I'm absolutely certain he'll take great offense to it and I apologize beforehand, but I doubt that helps.

The flu can be deadly on it's own and the vaccine for the flu is maybe at best 30% effective. Now I'm taking Beanz at his word that his own health, the health of his family ain't the best, HE has said that, I haven't accused it, HE has said it...so again people who already have health issues getting this Chinese coronavirus and NOT getting tested by the lovely NHS, NOT being hospitalized...does that add up for me? No. Does it mean I can't be wrong in this case? No. I'm just dubious of the claim and I've explained why, what is that to you?

This is no worse than flu right? Would you be so keen to dismiss a claim of flu doing the rounds through a family? Google cases in my (someone elses ) area? Weird.

All that depends I guess. No because the flu is a lot more prevalent. I searched cases in several areas, this disease has hotspots or didn't you know that? The Lombardy region of Italy has been completely assfucked by the Chinese coronavirus whereas Umbria isn't having near the tough time. New York City is getting crushed here in the states but there's plenty of places which are doing just fine. London is getting hit hard as are the Midlands, but Wales and the Southwest are less impacted, Northern Ireland is less impacted....Weird huh?

[Beanz]

So you are saying that it is something that affects most very mildly then? No hospitals, no symptoms? Impressive. You are giving Fensters family a run for their money.

In other words you are too stubborn to admit that your answer is no. There is no shame in that, nobody wants it. It is just something we should ask. We know people AFFECTED by it as everyone is, but who actually has it? Is that such a terrible question?

Why so hysterical? And yes, more people should get tubes up their arses. It would save so many. Of course I want to see people live and prosper and not find they have stage 4 cancer.

That is the tricky part. Many have been tested, so we would assume those people had or even have it, but if it is mild and not as serious as made out then many might had had it and not known. Has anyone got really sick, so sick they could not breathe and needed a hospital? Walrus sounds the closest here, but anyone who got really sick and needed to be hospitalized would be quite a definite case. I don't know of anyone like that. My wife works for a large firm and nobody again, but there was a heart disease fatality today of a friend's husband which is fucking awful, but Corona? No. In a perverse way you just want to know who the people are. I know lots of foreigners with family stateside and in the UK. Nobody. There is sickness, but not Corona.

Does the absence of Coronavirus in your social circle mean or prove anything other than no one in your social circle has it or has had it? Is that minuscule slice of the World supposed to be representative of the remainder?

The goal posts on this have shifted and continue to shift as the true picture is painted. Echoed right here with the question does anyone know anyone that’s had it. To continue to support that narrative We now need to be related.

Let’s hope the answer to the question continues to be no.

I like to put it into perspective. This will pass soon and few will have family who even had it. Everyone will have family who will die from cancer or heart disease. 10 years from now this will be a flash in the pan while cancer and heart disease continue to kill in much higher numbers as they are even now.

It is nasty for some of course and I do not mock anyone's death or suffering. I just don't know anyone with it. My wife must have hundreds of friends and even someone in Daegu. I have less friends, but know a good 20 or so that all have family both here and back home and nothing.

Of course I hope it remains that way. I am a bit worried about Brock actually. Unless he is here, he has gone missing. Dia have you heard from the Brockster?

I apologise to anyone but you reading this for having to multi-quote, which makes it seem like I am a bit simple or mentally challenged, but as usual you post 50 times in a row and it is the only way to address your bullshit and facetiousness.

I never said anything about it being mild, or having no symptoms or nobody requiring a visit to the hospital.

Yet in your first sentence alone you as usual just made up the idea that i had in order to continue on in your self obsessed fantasy world. And then you follow that by calling ME a liar

And again nobody said asking who actually has, or has had it, is a terrible question, but you again had to pretend that was suggested, in order to avoid the simple fact that any question you have ever asked here has always been rhetorical. You are now in the habit of making up polls to disguise the fact, but it is still blindingly obvious to everyone that you don't really care what anyone actually says. You are only ever interested in having your own bias confirmed.

Plenty of posters here have already told you of knowing people, friends, colleagues etc who have had, or do have it, and some of those are in hospital, and in ICU, but here you are propagating the idea that they are liars. Why? because you never listen or read other posters contributions. You are more interested in quoting and talking to yourself.

So why accuse me of being hysterical for doing nothing more than calmly answering your question? Could it be that you don't want your cosy fantasy world shattered by the intrusion of reality and common sense?

It is amazing that you still think you and your wife not knowing anyone who has or has had it in a country where only 222 people have died, somehow puts you in a better position to judge perspective than those of us in the UK where 12, 107 have died or the States where 24, 537 have died. If anything that is just confirmation of just how deluded and detached from the reality for the majority of posters you really are.

Nobody is saying your country South Korea has not done an exemplary job in handling the pandemic, quite the opposite. So why pooh pooh and seek to mock people in your former country, or the states, where the leaders have dropped the ball and continue to fail their own citizens and health care workers, day in day out. Anyone would think your far right wing extremist ideaology is more important, than what would for most people be a very natural tendency toward empathy, and fellow feeling, in the face of such a unprecedented crisis.

Then you next sentence is again, just you making stuff up. Many have not been tested. You saying they have doesn't make it true. There are many, many people dying in nursing homes or at home who not only never got a test they do not make the figures after dying. Add to that the countless thousands suffering with it at home, who so desperate not to further burden an NHS, where people like my Mrs might not even be offered an ICU bed, (because she scores too highly on the dependency scale) and you can see how truly offensive your idea that people are just moaning too much is.

There are NHS workers being asked not to speak to the media with the fear of losing their jobs if they reveal how little PPE they have, and Journalists being warned not to ask Government minsters tricky questions, and yet you are that anal that you would rather question the figures than face the real conspiracies that are costing people their lives every day.

There is a post from a real old school Saddo veteran poster from here on social media that a few regulars have seen. In it he is lying in bed in a hospital warning others not to be flippant and dismissive. In that he says "All you conspiracy theorist I PROMISE this COvid 19 is not media hype or politicians looking for ways to scare the public".


He has no reason to lie about it and neither do i or the friends i know who have had it. Neither does my best mate from school who is a paramedic, and your suggestion that it is,even for those not needing hospitalization, "a mild thing" , is just so stupid i do not know where to begin in addressing it.

[Memphis]

Weird that densely populated commercial hives are getting hit more than the arse end of nowhere? No, no not really.

You could assume that of just about anything no? You could confirm it with a cursory glance at a map. No real need to look into it in any detail to establish that.

I know Beanz has mentioned health issues in the past. I’m not as aware of them as you are clearly but I don’t see that it matters.

The young and healthy have died, old and unhealthy have survived. The fact the half a dozen people of varying ages and various states of health might have contracted this with no more than mild symptoms is hardly shocking is it?

You’re considering this no worse that flu right?

Replace Coronavirus with flu. Half a dozen people of various ages and states of health get and survive flu. Big fucking deal right?

Yet Coronavirus not so plausible?

[El Kabong]

Weird that densely populated commercial hives are getting hit more than the arse end of nowhere? No, no not really.

Then I guess areas with less dense populations would be OK to run business as usual right?

You could assume that of just about anything no? You could confirm it with a cursory glance at a map. No real need to look into it in any detail to establish that.

Oh ok, well next time I'll run the post by you before hand and let you edit it as opposed to post and then have you critique it.

I know Beanz has mentioned health issues in the past. I’m not as aware of them as you are clearly but I don’t see that it matters.

Well if you don't see how it matters I guess I'm wrong then

The young and healthy have died, old and unhealthy have survived. The fact the half a dozen people of varying ages and various states of health might have contracted this with no more than mild symptoms is hardly shocking is it?

OK so the odds were the same then for the young and healthy vs the old and unhealthy across the board? Is that what you're telling me or are you telling me that there are outliers?

I don't reckon we know for certain one way or another without testing being done.

You’re considering this no worse that flu right?

Replace Coronavirus with flu. Half a dozen people of various ages and states of health get and survive flu. Big fucking deal right?

Yet Coronavirus not so plausible?

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/heal...019-vs-the-flu
Infections
COVID-19: Approximately 1,930,780 cases worldwide; 582,594 cases in the U.S. as of Apr. 14, 2020.*

Flu: Estimated 1 billion cases worldwide; 9.3 million to 45 million cases in the U.S. per year.

Deaths
COVID-19: Approximately 120,450 deaths reported worldwide; 23,649 deaths in the U.S., as of Apr. 14, 2020.*

Flu: 291,000 to 646,000 deaths worldwide; 12,000 to 61,000 deaths in the U.S. per year.


Well it seems that you're more likely by the numbers to CATCH "the flu" and it seems as though at this point you're more likely to die from Chinese coronavirus. Soooo what are the odds Beanz and his family all had the flu vs they all having the Chinese coronavirus? Just based on the numbers it's more likely they had the flu. Now you factor in that they 1) didn't get tested 2) apparently weren't in hospital and 3) none of them died......flu seems more likely just from a numbers standpoint.


But hey, you do you man, I'm open to them having had the Chinese coronavirus, I just think it's crazy lucky if they all had that and if any of them had serious health issues and none of them were tested for it and none were hospitalized (that we currently know of) that would certainly be good fortune on their part and/or mean that maybe the Chinese coronavirus is less dangerous than we have been lead to believe.

[TitoFan]

I posted this on another COVID thread 10 days ago.

Re: China, coronavirus etc
Not gonna start yet another thread on COVID-19, so I'll just use this one to put up some commonly accepted statistics:

Transmission Rate:
COVID-19: 1.5 to 3.5
Seasonal Flu: apx. 1.0



Fatality Rate:
COVID-19: 0.7 to 3.4%
Seasonal Flu: 0.1%


Hospitalization Rate:
COVID-19: apx. 20%
Seasonal Flu: apx. 2%



Not as deadly as SARS-CoV in 2003, and definitely not as deadly as MERS-CoV. But definitely not to be confused with the seasonal flu.

People may do with the statistics what they wish... some will choose to follow health authority guidelines and suggestions.... others will not.

Wishing a good health to all.




Here's the bottom line as far as I'm concerned. I deal with numbers. I'll use the ones I have available, trusting they're from a trustworthy source. I'll make my personal decisions based on those numbers.

These numbers, unless they have changed, say COVID-19 is anywhere from 2 to 4 times as contagious as the seasonal flu, and anywhere from 7 to 34 times deadlier.



None of this is to say what anyone should decide to do for themselves. Different governments have handled it way different. Yes.... crowded, populated cities of course are more vulnerable than sparsely populated rural areas.

Older, more susceptible folks are going to naturally be more careful and apprehensive than young healthy folks.

The only caveat here is that most young healthy adults have several older, more susceptible kin. That takes us back to the contagiousness of COVID.



This is the first pandemic ever for most of us, I would assume...... so reactions to it are certain to run the gamut.

[TitoFan]

And no............. thankfully I have no one in my family with the Corona virus, as of yet.

[El Kabong]

If anyone did have Chinese Coronavirus I'd be very interested as to their experience with it and what treatments they received for it.

[Memphis]

Lyle I’ve no interest in censoring or editing your posts don’t be daft. We’re all grown ups for the most part. Some things we agree on some not, it’s cool.

I’m not here to answer or question whether beanz and his family had Coronavirus or anything else for that matter. They would appear to be fine, that’s all that matters.

Generally speaking. I think the flu is worse argument is running out of track. If it hasn’t already.