If Ali Fought Marciano's Opponents and Marciano Fought Ali's Opponents.....

[Kev]

Sonny Liston I - KOd in 3 (Let me break this too you gently... no one and i mean NO ONE is gonna floor the rock for a straight up 10 count thats an absurd prediction a tko on cuts is a different story)

Sonny Liston II - KOd in 1

George Chuvalo I - KOd in 4 (All im gonna say is i'll bet every cent i can get my hands on for the OVER)

George Chuvalo II - KOd in 1 (The only thing more ridiculous than saying the rock would hit the floor for the count in the first is saying chuvalo would hit the floor for the count in the first)

Joe Frazier I - KOd in 4 (Lets look back at what foreman did to frazier.... exactly)

Joe Frazier II - KOd in 3 (Rocky hit harder and frazier had more of a paper face)

Joe Frazier III -KOd in 1 (are just picking rounds at random )

Buster Mathis - UD (Ali knocked the dude down 4 times. you're gonna tell me the rock couldn't take him out?)

Ken Norton I - KOd in 3 (if he couldn't finish ali off with a broken jaw, he wasn't gonna finish the rock off either)

Ken Norton II - TKOd in 3 (no just no)

Ken Norton III - KOd in 2 (If an increasingly slower and slower ali could beat him, i rest my case)

George Foreman - Towel thrown in in 1 (foreman might pull this fight out but no way he's making one of the most dedicated fighters in the history of the sport quit)

Ron Lyle - KOd in 3 (You did watch this fight were a clearly shot slow moving ali ko'd him late in the fight ala marciano-walcott 1 right??)

Joe Bugner - UD (WHO )

Jimmy Young - TKO in 6 (no comment i really don't know what to say this time)

Earnie Shavers - KO in 1 (He got knocked out in the first round by quarry and you're gonna say he dominates the rock? I don't care if you think he punches hard, his record and ko ratio are just as padded as don steele's)

Leon Spinks I - KO in 7 (marciano would wipe the floor with him)

Leon Spinks II - KO in 3 (He F****** lost to an ali that was so shot, Ali had no business fighting anymore but he did and he won. But he'd beat marciano yeah i bet you got this spinks in your top 10 heavyweight list )

Alfredo Evangelista - UD (WHO )

Larry Holmes - KO in 5 (Holmes isn't koing anybody with a chin worth a damn. FACT.)

Trevor Berbick - KO in 5 (If marciano has parkinsons then yes but if not, no.)

Am I the only one who thought this was hilarious?

Trevor Berbick - KO in 5 (If marciano has parkinsons then yes but if not, no.)

I spat my coffee out when I read that

[headson]

he said mariano would be 40-21
if i ever see this person i will kayo him so bad he'll s*** on his like a old person

[Samson3000]

he said mariano would be 40-21
if i ever see this person i will kayo him so bad he'll s*** on his like a old person

If there was a hall of fame for cyber-tough guys I'm sure you'd be on the first ballot.

[undefeated]

I mean size ain't EVERYTHING.... if it was Nicolay Valuev would still be undefeated

Size is only a benefit to a fighter if you can use it to your advantage....Diego Corrales (r.i.p), very tall but never learned to fight on the outside like he should have and therefore his height was not a benefit to him.


The same thing with strength and speed and everything else.....if you can't use it to your advantage then it doesn't matter.

Here's a Teddy Atlas-ism
"It's like if a guy has a Ferrari and he only drives it 30 miles per hour"

Doesn't really matter what you have skill wise but how you use it that is the main point

Exactly, and Marciano had neither size nor skill

dempsey had no skill also..dont exclude him out

[El Kabong]

Exactly, and Marciano had neither size nor skill

Yeah he was just REALLY lucky.....you're an idiot.

Marciano had skills, I mean if he didn't have any skills at all wouldn't he suffer the same fate of Primo Carnera? anytime Primo fought someone halfway decent he got his big ass whupped!

I mean Primo had power but he had no skill at all and no coordination either.....makes it hard to land A punch much less a KO punch and Rocky KO'd a number of very good fighters.


And what's with everyone saying Joe Louis was small He was bigger than Mike Tyson!

Jack Dempsey had skill too

[ICB]

Nvm wrong post

[Chris Nagel]

I haven't gotten into a discussion you before Lyle, so I'll take a swing here.

Marciano's career was on a incline, he'd come to face better opponents, and his skills would keep improving.

I don't what everyone is coming off of, but Marciano had skills. All thanks to his excellent trainer Charlie Goldman, he learned how to move, where to move, how to make himself harder to hit, how to feint, how to set up his opponents, and with Charlie in his corner he could also adapt to opponents. None of this took away from his equalizers, his hard left hook and Suzy-Q, some of his knockouts have come from feinting and being purposely unpredictable.

Rocky wasn't the most versatile as others, but he could adapt a fight plan and change when need be. He fought very versatile opponents. Who's can be more versatile than Charles, Walcott and Moore, even other opponents were smart in the ring. You can't find a guy that can feint as well as Walcott, or can set up their shots and adapt as well as these guys. Marciano also fought tough chinned guys, Rex Layne, Carmine Vingo, Ezzard Charles.

Rocky got better too the more fights he got into, La Starza can vouch on that, he said it himself, and you can see it for yourself in their second fight. Rocky would've continued to improve if he hadn't retired, I can easily see him beating guys like Norton, Patterson, and the guys that Ali fought throughout his career.

Charlie Goldman was an excellent trainer, he was good friends with Ali's trainer, Angelo Dundee. He knew how to shape Rocky up for any fight, and with him in Rocky's corner I can see him take on big hitters like Liston, Foreman, and Frasier.

Norton gave Ali so much trouble because he knew how to catch his jab and counter which Ali or his Dundee could never figure out. Ali was never able to really set up Frazier even after countless predictable left hooks, in the fight that Frazier won the knockdown can be accounted for Ali's sloppy way of trowing a right uppercut that is asked for Fraziers left hook.

Rocky wasn't stupid, he'd be able to feint and set up his shots, so could Rocky's opponents who could do it better than Ali's.

[El Kabong]

Very good post CC

Rocky's defense was basically making the other fighter have to lunge to hit him, he'd have his legs basically straight but he'd be bent at the waist, left hand protecting his side and the right hand close to his face...it would be VERY difficult to land on him without having Suzy Q meet you in return



Rocky was 36 when he retired in 1955 after fighting Archie Moore....that being said I could still see him had he come back (which was rumored that he was going to do) beating the likes of Johansen, Patterson, and yes even Sonny Liston.

[JT Rock]

Antonio Margarito could beat Rocky Marciano, or so some would have you believe 

[El Kabong]

Antonio Margarito could beat Rocky Marciano

Everyone can go ahead and hate on Rocky but 49(43 KO's)-0-0 really does speak for itself.

The names on Rocky's record are better than most anyone elses....name me a few heavyweights that fought better competition AND fought everyone there was to fight in the division at the time

[JT Rock]

Antonio Margarito could beat Rocky Marciano

Everyone can go ahead and hate on Rocky but 49(43 KO's)-0-0 really does speak for itself.

The names on Rocky's record are better than most anyone elses....name me a few heavyweights that fought better competition AND fought everyone there was to fight in the division at the time

Ali
Holmes
Foreman
Holyfield
Lewis

[Samson3000]

Exactly, and Marciano had neither size nor skill

Yeah he was just REALLY lucky.....you're an idiot.

Marciano had skills, I mean if he didn't have any skills at all wouldn't he suffer the same fate of Primo Carnera? anytime Primo fought someone halfway decent he got his big a** whupped!

I mean Primo had power but he had no skill at all and no coordination either.....makes it hard to land A punch much less a KO punch and Rocky KO'd a number of very good fighters.


And what's with everyone saying Joe Louis was small He was bigger than Mike Tyson!

Jack Dempsey had skill too

lmao at this guy getting mad that his bum hero has been totally exposed as a fraud

[Punisher136]

Antonio Margarito could beat Rocky Marciano

Everyone can go ahead and hate on Rocky but 49(43 KO's)-0-0 really does speak for itself.

The names on Rocky's record are better than most anyone elses....name me a few heavyweights that fought better competition AND fought everyone there was to fight in the division at the time

Ali
Holmes
Foreman
Holyfield
Lewis

Ali obviously foguht the best of all time and beat the best of all time that cannot be questioned

Holmes didn't fight anybody except an aging ali and a semi-primed mike tyson and spinks

Foreman also fought in the golden era so thats ok

Holyfield did ok

I'm not so sure lewis faced a guantlet of great opponents threw out his whole career.

[ICB]

Antonio Margarito could beat Rocky Marciano

Everyone can go ahead and hate on Rocky but 49(43 KO's)-0-0 really does speak for itself.

The names on Rocky's record are better than most anyone elses....name me a few heavyweights that fought better competition AND fought everyone there was to fight in the division at the time

Ali
Holmes
Foreman
Holyfield
Lewis

Ali obviously foguht the best of all time and beat the best of all time that cannot be questioned

Holmes didn't fight anybody except an aging ali and a semi-primed mike tyson and spinks

Foreman also fought in the golden era so thats ok

Holyfield did ok

I'm not so sure lewis faced a guantlet of great opponents threw out his whole career.

Ken Norton
Earnie Shavers
Tex Cobb
Gerry Cooney
Tim Witherspoon
Leon Spinks

Are all nobodys ??

[El Kabong]

Ali LOST to some of the guys he fought.


Holmes didn't fight ANYONE that was a complete fighter....he fought BOXERS like Spinks....and PUNCHERS like Shavers but never really anyone in between....Witherspoon I guess comes closest.

Foreman fought good fighters....but then again there were good fighters to face then, the DEEPEST the division has ever been.

Holyfield...eh, I guess he did ok

Lewis fought SOME good competition

Walcott, Charles, Moore (who may have been old but like RJJ was lightheavyweight champion at the time), Rex Layne was supposed to be the next Jack Dempsey, Roland LaStarza was a heavyweight Winky Wright.....Rocky knocked all those guys out....he didn't just beat them he knocked them out.


TEX COBB??!?!?!?! are you fucking serious?

and Samson...the more you dis Rocky the more I like him....he never lost...what do you think of that jackass?