Geez these f'ers are crazy.

[Kev]

How can you not
Bush ran this country for 8 years
Remember anti gay marriage amendement attempt,cutting funding to family planning
Almost like he was beholden to the extreme end of some religion

So not allowing gays to marry is the same as killing them , interesting

So far they are your words Bilbo not Tms.

Bilbo I agree ,it is wrong to treat your societies like that true;Ours is the better. There is a vast difference; but even you know that isnt why we are over there fighting them and thats not why you are placing those other facts out here to air either.

From what I read Tm is only drawing comparissions on evils out of both sides.

I think he well knows and admitts the evil undertones of both sides.

Can you see that side of it?

i maybe putting words in his mouth from reading between the lines too but I think he is against us in the West saying we are the warriors of God doing Gods work as Christians ,where as our undertones are also greed and insanity, just on a different level. Thus my posts on the matter.

This isn't a thread about war though Andre. It was just a thread made by Von Milash to highlight how the Muslims are trying to sentence to death a Muslim cleric who translated the Quran into the language of Afghanistan.

It also talked about a student sentenced to 20 years imprisonment for questioning women's rights under Islam and another man who was declared insane (reduced from death penalty) for converting to Christianity.

It was THOSE reports to which Von and myself were referring to when we said 'FUCKING LOONS!!!' and those only.

Apparently though TM feels our Western world is as equally oppressive and backwards to our own people as they Islamic world is to theirs.

Of course I, Von, Van Childs and Lyle all call bullshit on this

[Andre]

I have little use for religion but after multiple combat tours to Afghanistan and Iraq I have found that in today's world Islam brings out the worst in humanity. Every organized religion has its fair share of crazies and zealots. The difference I've found is that the mainstream of most denounce these fringe groups and their violent or inhumane acts. I have either never or rarely heard of moderate or "good" muslims speak out against the violence and inhumane treatment of sharia law. With the growth of Islam especially in European countries where is the world wide outcry against Jihadism and Sharia Law? The international community was pretty quick to galvanize in their dislike for Bush where is the condemnation of Iran? Taliban? Shia Militias? AQI? There is no diplomacy with this kind of rational. There is no dialogue. Christianity and Judaism have found ways to make their respective religions work with todays culture. Until Islam as a whole can find away to evolve with a changing world I think I will continue to have muslims in my crosshairs.

That is war, Bilbo;
from a bonafide combat killer.

[Trainer Monkey]

How can you not
Bush ran this country for 8 years
Remember anti gay marriage amendement attempt,cutting funding to family planning
Almost like he was beholden to the extreme end of some religion

So not allowing gays to marry is the same as killing them , interesting

So far they are your words Bilbo not Tms.

Bilbo I agree ,it is wrong to treat your societies like that true;Ours is the better. There is a vast difference; but even you know that isnt why we are over there fighting them and thats not why you are placing those other facts out here to air either.

From what I read Tm is only drawing comparissions on evils out of both sides.

I think he well knows and admitts the evil undertones of both sides.

Can you see that side of it?

i maybe putting words in his mouth from reading between the lines too but I think he is against us in the West saying we are the warriors of God doing Gods work as Christians ,where as our undertones are also greed and insanity, just on a different level. Thus my posts on the matter.

Nope thats pretty close to it,so dont sweat it.
All religous wars are stupid
Im going to prove my invisible man or dead martyr who preached non-violence was so holy,Im going to kill you for it.
Its dumb
But its dumb all around,there is alot of dumb to go around.
And when you dont have a high horse to get up on,but you act like you do,you encourage even more dumb.

[CFH]

I have little use for religion but after multiple combat tours to Afghanistan and Iraq I have found that in today's world Islam brings out the worst in humanity. Every organized religion has its fair share of crazies and zealots. The difference I've found is that the mainstream of most denounce these fringe groups and their violent or inhumane acts. I have either never or rarely heard of moderate or "good" muslims speak out against the violence and inhumane treatment of sharia law. With the growth of Islam especially in European countries where is the world wide outcry against Jihadism and Sharia Law? The international community was pretty quick to galvanize in their dislike for Bush where is the condemnation of Iran? Taliban? Shia Militias? AQI? There is no diplomacy with this kind of rational. There is no dialogue. Christianity and Judaism have found ways to make their respective religions work with todays culture. Until Islam as a whole can find away to evolve with a changing world I think I will continue to have muslims in my crosshairs.

I know I said I wasn't going to post again in this thread, but that might be the worst thing I have ever seen posted on this site.

You and the "terrorists" deserve each other. I hope you eradicate yourselves.

"Bonafide combat killer"

[Andre]

Fuk me this is sort of linked . last night watched 'secret flights' on the BBc knowledge channel.

Cia been flying planes and landing at bases in Moorocco,spain,kabul,poland,afanistan,germany.
They have been filmed by plane spotters who are these people who flim odd planes for some hobbie reason.

The prisoners on detention in Guatanimo, a fair few of them claim to have been kidnapped off the streets some in Europe some in Pakistan etc beaten ,drugged and taken to different countires where there is no law, tortured over many months ,small hundreds of razor cuts to the whole body, penis,balls the whole nine yards, electic shocks,insertions up the claccer the whole nightmare washed down in salt.Females accompaning the torure squads for humilty reasons, all trying to get them to sign papers for theor own guilt and association and to set up other musliums also as being in with Bin Laden etc. Men they didnt even know.

Some signed after months of abuse ,of course.Other had to learn a confession off by heart and say it on their own in front of a closed military court.

The cameras and the team interview many cia some who speak up to a large degree including the ex chief in charge of the operation who says " Iknow about it but I cannot comment on it",.. Bush gets quizzed,he knows too and shuns the question as do all his team.

Two of these men they have under arrest still; seem in all accounts to be innocnet and one in paticular a british student who travelled to Pakistan for a family wedding was kidnapped flown out put through the ringer and now is still under arrest and noone is allowed near him including his lawyer.
No contact with anyone,and no one is allowed into the court with him when they decide to try him !!! What the fuck!!!

Anyway when some of the prisoners have been able to get word out about dates they were flown in and out of countries,kidnapped etc ,they match up with records from these out of the way landing strips,numbers of planes all match etc to the day and to the country that the toruture was carried out in. All photographed as well .
When the plane landed in Spain mallorca the torture team actually spent a week relaxing in a hotel and used their real names (which were shown in a list and also their matchig army numbers alongside etc.
These 6 cia men have now got warrents out for them in Europe for kidnapping.
USA is silent about it all.wont even bite when quizzed.

This will test Barraka on if he is a man of conscience as he makes out or another devil in disguise.
Team Demon dressed up as Christians all off to work again.

Because alot of the overseas press are looking into it so it may get aired generally.
Canada handed over some poor Islamic bloke to the states and they got him and did the same things to him. let him go eventually cuase he was a canadian citizenl (whoops another wrong innocent man) He sued the Canadian goverment and cost their tax payers some 13 million with a full pardon and appolagies etc.
He filed against the USa too: so they have banned him from entering their boarders under the suspected terrorist laws.

[VictorCharlie]

I have little use for religion but after multiple combat tours to Afghanistan and Iraq I have found that in today's world Islam brings out the worst in humanity. Every organized religion has its fair share of crazies and zealots. The difference I've found is that the mainstream of most denounce these fringe groups and their violent or inhumane acts. I have either never or rarely heard of moderate or "good" muslims speak out against the violence and inhumane treatment of sharia law. With the growth of Islam especially in European countries where is the world wide outcry against Jihadism and Sharia Law? The international community was pretty quick to galvanize in their dislike for Bush where is the condemnation of Iran? Taliban? Shia Militias? AQI? There is no diplomacy with this kind of rational. There is no dialogue. Christianity and Judaism have found ways to make their respective religions work with todays culture. Until Islam as a whole can find away to evolve with a changing world I think I will continue to have muslims in my crosshairs.

I know I said I wasn't going to post again in this thread, but that might be the worst thing I have ever seen posted on this site.

You and the "terrorists" deserve each other. I hope you eradicate yourselves.

"Bonafide combat killer"

It works in reverse as well...Maybe you'd prefer I'd have said "I/You/People will continue to find myself/themself etc in the crosshairs of muslims" I have a job to do CFH and I happen to be good at it. I apologize if this offends you but men like me do it so people like you don't have to.

[CFH]

I have little use for religion but after multiple combat tours to Afghanistan and Iraq I have found that in today's world Islam brings out the worst in humanity. Every organized religion has its fair share of crazies and zealots. The difference I've found is that the mainstream of most denounce these fringe groups and their violent or inhumane acts. I have either never or rarely heard of moderate or "good" muslims speak out against the violence and inhumane treatment of sharia law. With the growth of Islam especially in European countries where is the world wide outcry against Jihadism and Sharia Law? The international community was pretty quick to galvanize in their dislike for Bush where is the condemnation of Iran? Taliban? Shia Militias? AQI? There is no diplomacy with this kind of rational. There is no dialogue. Christianity and Judaism have found ways to make their respective religions work with todays culture. Until Islam as a whole can find away to evolve with a changing world I think I will continue to have muslims in my crosshairs.

I know I said I wasn't going to post again in this thread, but that might be the worst thing I have ever seen posted on this site.

You and the "terrorists" deserve each other. I hope you eradicate yourselves.

"Bonafide combat killer"

It works in reverse as well...Maybe you'd prefer I'd have said "I/You/People will continue to find myself/themself etc in the crosshairs of muslims" I have a job to do CFH and I happen to be good at it. I apologize if this offends you but men like me do it so people like you don't have to.

That is a complete and utter lie. It's nothing more than propaganda wrapped in a bullshit slogan. I can't honestly believe anyone thinks that way. What you are doing is more dangerous to me than the people you are "protecting" me from. You do not protect or represent me in any way and you're lying to yourself if you believe that is the case. I would gladly take up arms if someone or a people was directly threatening my life or that of my family etc., I'm far from a pacifist.

The Iraqi's and Afghan's, aside from an incredibly small minority (which is growing because of your actions), and 99.9% of the world pose no threat to me. They pose no threat to me, and there are deep seeded reasons why they pose a threat to you. Killing people is only going to further exasperate and perpetuate those reasons and prolong the bloodshed; killing and dying for an imperialist cause in no way improves the situation.

Going by your words and the George Orwell slogan in your sig, you do it because of a manipulated and misguided sense of patriotism and because you want to play the role of the "protector". I disagree with it, and I'm not sure I have any more respect for you than I do for the so called "terrorists" in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[Kev]

I know I said I wasn't going to post again in this thread, but that might be the worst thing I have ever seen posted on this site.

You and the "terrorists" deserve each other. I hope you eradicate yourselves.

"Bonafide combat killer"

It works in reverse as well...Maybe you'd prefer I'd have said "I/You/People will continue to find myself/themself etc in the crosshairs of muslims" I have a job to do CFH and I happen to be good at it. I apologize if this offends you but men like me do it so people like you don't have to.

That is a complete and utter lie. It's nothing more than propaganda wrapped in a bullshit slogan. I can't honestly believe anyone thinks that way. What you are doing is more dangerous to me than the people you are "protecting" me from. You do not protect or represent me in any way and you're lying to yourself if you believe that is the case. I would gladly take up arms if someone or a people was directly threatening my life or that of my family etc., I'm far from a pacifist.

The Iraqi's and Afghan's, aside from an incredibly small minority (which is growing because of your actions), and 99.9% of the world pose no threat to me. They pose no threat to me, and there are deep seeded reasons why they pose a threat to you. Killing people is only going to further exasperate and perpetuate those reasons and prolong the bloodshed; killing and dying for an imperialist cause in no way improves the situation.

Going by your words and the George Orwell slogan in your sig, you do it because of a manipulated and misguided sense of patriotism and because you want to play the role of the "protector". I disagree with it, and I'm not sure I have any more respect for you than I do for the so called "terrorists" in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In his defense he did serve a 14 month tour of duty in Baghdad. I don't much like Islamic fundamentalist loons myself and can imagine if I spent more than a year in their country being shot at by them I would like them even less.

[CFH]

It works in reverse as well...Maybe you'd prefer I'd have said "I/You/People will continue to find myself/themself etc in the crosshairs of muslims" I have a job to do CFH and I happen to be good at it. I apologize if this offends you but men like me do it so people like you don't have to.

That is a complete and utter lie. It's nothing more than propaganda wrapped in a bullshit slogan. I can't honestly believe anyone thinks that way. What you are doing is more dangerous to me than the people you are "protecting" me from. You do not protect or represent me in any way and you're lying to yourself if you believe that is the case. I would gladly take up arms if someone or a people was directly threatening my life or that of my family etc., I'm far from a pacifist.

The Iraqi's and Afghan's, aside from an incredibly small minority (which is growing because of your actions), and 99.9% of the world pose no threat to me. They pose no threat to me, and there are deep seeded reasons why they pose a threat to you. Killing people is only going to further exasperate and perpetuate those reasons and prolong the bloodshed; killing and dying for an imperialist cause in no way improves the situation.

Going by your words and the George Orwell slogan in your sig, you do it because of a manipulated and misguided sense of patriotism and because you want to play the role of the "protector". I disagree with it, and I'm not sure I have any more respect for you than I do for the so called "terrorists" in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In his defense he did serve a 14 month tour of duty in Baghdad. I don't much like Islamic fundamentalist loons myself and can imagine if I spent more than a year in their country being shot at by them I would like them even less.

I understand that, and it's not him personally that I have a problem with. I just despise everything he represents and has been indoctrinated to believe in.

I do feel sorry for anybody who has to go over there and fight, much as I feel sorry for the Iraqi's who have to fight, but what's going on has no justification in my eyes.

[Kev]

That is a complete and utter lie. It's nothing more than propaganda wrapped in a bullshit slogan. I can't honestly believe anyone thinks that way. What you are doing is more dangerous to me than the people you are "protecting" me from. You do not protect or represent me in any way and you're lying to yourself if you believe that is the case. I would gladly take up arms if someone or a people was directly threatening my life or that of my family etc., I'm far from a pacifist.

The Iraqi's and Afghan's, aside from an incredibly small minority (which is growing because of your actions), and 99.9% of the world pose no threat to me. They pose no threat to me, and there are deep seeded reasons why they pose a threat to you. Killing people is only going to further exasperate and perpetuate those reasons and prolong the bloodshed; killing and dying for an imperialist cause in no way improves the situation.

Going by your words and the George Orwell slogan in your sig, you do it because of a manipulated and misguided sense of patriotism and because you want to play the role of the "protector". I disagree with it, and I'm not sure I have any more respect for you than I do for the so called "terrorists" in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In his defense he did serve a 14 month tour of duty in Baghdad. I don't much like Islamic fundamentalist loons myself and can imagine if I spent more than a year in their country being shot at by them I would like them even less.

I understand that, and it's not him personally that I have a problem with. I just despise everything he represents and has been indoctrinated to believe in.

I do feel sorry for anybody who has to go over there and fight, much as I feel sorry for the Iraqi's who have to fight, but what's going on has no justification in my eyes.

haha that's exactly like me and everyone who doesn't believe in creationsim and a 10,000 year old earth

[CFH]

In his defense he did serve a 14 month tour of duty in Baghdad. I don't much like Islamic fundamentalist loons myself and can imagine if I spent more than a year in their country being shot at by them I would like them even less.

I understand that, and it's not him personally that I have a problem with. I just despise everything he represents and has been indoctrinated to believe in.

I do feel sorry for anybody who has to go over there and fight, much as I feel sorry for the Iraqi's who have to fight, but what's going on has no justification in my eyes.

haha that's exactly like me and everyone who doesn't believe in creationsim and a 10,000 year old earth

Exactly. I'm sure you loathe my anti-religious agnosticism, but we still get along fine.

[Andre]

I understand that, and it's not him personally that I have a problem with. I just despise everything he represents and has been indoctrinated to believe in.

I do feel sorry for anybody who has to go over there and fight, much as I feel sorry for the Iraqi's who have to fight, but what's going on has no justification in my eyes.

haha that's exactly like me and everyone who doesn't believe in creationsim and a 10,000 year old earth

Exactly. I'm sure you loathe my anti-religious agnosticism, but we still get along fine.

You two both squat for a piss, stop agreeing to disagree, kill each other like real men, its the only way I will be safe to sleep at night.

[VictorCharlie]

I know I said I wasn't going to post again in this thread, but that might be the worst thing I have ever seen posted on this site.

You and the "terrorists" deserve each other. I hope you eradicate yourselves.

"Bonafide combat killer"

It works in reverse as well...Maybe you'd prefer I'd have said "I/You/People will continue to find myself/themself etc in the crosshairs of muslims" I have a job to do CFH and I happen to be good at it. I apologize if this offends you but men like me do it so people like you don't have to.

That is a complete and utter lie. It's nothing more than propaganda wrapped in a bullshit slogan. I can't honestly believe anyone thinks that way. What you are doing is more dangerous to me than the people you are "protecting" me from. You do not protect or represent me in any way and you're lying to yourself if you believe that is the case. I would gladly take up arms if someone or a people was directly threatening my life or that of my family etc., I'm far from a pacifist.

The Iraqi's and Afghan's, aside from an incredibly small minority (which is growing because of your actions), and 99.9% of the world pose no threat to me. They pose no threat to me, and there are deep seeded reasons why they pose a threat to you. Killing people is only going to further exasperate and perpetuate those reasons and prolong the bloodshed; killing and dying for an imperialist cause in no way improves the situation.

Going by your words and the George Orwell slogan in your sig, you do it because of a manipulated and misguided sense of patriotism and because you want to play the role of the "protector". I disagree with it, and I'm not sure I have any more respect for you than I do for the so called "terrorists" in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Out of 500+ (14 months in Eastern Baghdad) combat patrols more than 100 were Humanitarian Aid missions, 25 school openings, 15 hospital openings, 30 small business grants a working water purification and distribution plant and 500+ trained Iraqi National Police. I also spent more time than I ever want to recal picking up pieces of 35 Iraqi national police he were killed by VBIED. I've done more for the people of Iraq and Afghanistan than you could imagine. My soldiers and I treated the people with respect and only used deadly force when attacked. I serve my country out of a sense of duty and chose Infantry to challenge myself. I didn't ask to invade Iraq and didn't agree with it at the time, but we are there and we owe the Iraqi's to leave them with a democratic stable nation. I don't believe we can achieve victory in Afghanistan but in 12-18 months I will return there b/c the elected officials of this country tell me to. I don't pretend to know you or why you live your life as you do so please don't pretend to know me. I'm neither misguided or manipulated. I'm a soldier who follows lawful orders and leads men into combat.

[CFH]

It works in reverse as well...Maybe you'd prefer I'd have said "I/You/People will continue to find myself/themself etc in the crosshairs of muslims" I have a job to do CFH and I happen to be good at it. I apologize if this offends you but men like me do it so people like you don't have to.

That is a complete and utter lie. It's nothing more than propaganda wrapped in a bullshit slogan. I can't honestly believe anyone thinks that way. What you are doing is more dangerous to me than the people you are "protecting" me from. You do not protect or represent me in any way and you're lying to yourself if you believe that is the case. I would gladly take up arms if someone or a people was directly threatening my life or that of my family etc., I'm far from a pacifist.

The Iraqi's and Afghan's, aside from an incredibly small minority (which is growing because of your actions), and 99.9% of the world pose no threat to me. They pose no threat to me, and there are deep seeded reasons why they pose a threat to you. Killing people is only going to further exasperate and perpetuate those reasons and prolong the bloodshed; killing and dying for an imperialist cause in no way improves the situation.

Going by your words and the George Orwell slogan in your sig, you do it because of a manipulated and misguided sense of patriotism and because you want to play the role of the "protector". I disagree with it, and I'm not sure I have any more respect for you than I do for the so called "terrorists" in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Out of 500+ (14 months in Eastern Baghdad) combat patrols more than 100 were Humanitarian Aid missions, 25 school openings, 15 hospital openings, 30 small business grants a working water purification and distribution plant and 500+ trained Iraqi National Police. I also spent more time than I ever want to recal picking up pieces of 35 Iraqi national police he were killed by VBIED. I've done more for the people of Iraq and Afghanistan than you could imagine. My soldiers and I treated the people with respect and only used deadly force when attacked. I serve my country out of a sense of duty and chose Infantry to challenge myself. I didn't ask to invade Iraq and didn't agree with it at the time, but we are there and we owe the Iraqi's to leave them with a democratic stable nation. I don't believe we can achieve victory in Afghanistan but in 12-18 months I will return there b/c the elected officials of this country tell me to. I don't pretend to know you or why you live your life as you do so please don't pretend to know me. I'm neither misguided or manipulated. I'm a soldier who follows lawful orders and leads men into combat.

Your country illegally invaded Iraq, directly leading to the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent people, and you expect them to be grateful because you're trying to clean up a tiny percentage of the mess you've made? That's laughable. If you did that in my country I'd be trying to kill you too.

[VictorCharlie]

I'm not sure I know of a legal invasion in the history of war. Almost an oxymoron. Like I said I didn't agree with invading Iraq nor do I think the invasion or rebuilding phases early on were very well thought out but we are there so why not finish it. CFH I'm afraid you don't have your finger on the pulse of the Iraqi people. Most if not every average joe Iraqi I ever spoke to was better than they were in 2003 and most don't want us to leave. The younger generation is very excited about moving forward in a western government. If it makes you feel better to be disrespectful to me b/c you some how feel I am the embodiment of the American Government then go right ahead but I'm still one soldier doing what I'm told. I hope you treat your Canadian soldier's with more respect. I worked with several in the Aruzagon valley. Brave men.