gary shaw acting like a baby!

[XaduBoxer]

Yeah I agree, but you have to see where Shaw is coming from. If it was me I wouldn't want you making money from me after you betrayed me... its just common sense isn't it?

Like myself & Eagle have stated on this thread we both feel Darchinyan would be victorious in a rematch & would love to see it happen. But Shaw has taken Darchinyan back to the top & I suppose Darchinyan is happy with the way things have gone & I assume he is showing some loyalty to Shaw by standing by his side in his decision as I would in someone who had done good by me.

That is what KILLING my favorite sport of boxing... its like Don King hates Bob Arum but hey they still work if it makes sense.. dont you think Darchi vs Donaire makes sense?

No I don't think Darchinyan/ Donaire 2 makes sense... at this time! Darchinyan/ Montiel is the better & bigger fight to make!!!

As VD has stated... if they keep winning then sure it will hopefully come to fruitition but Donaire 1st has to make it past Martinez & hopefully Darchinyan & Montiel can get together.

At the moment theres no reason to see Donaire ahead of Montiel because Donaire has done nothing at 115, whereas Darchinyan & Montiel have basically cleaned out the division between them so their fight makes the most sense, plus it will crown a true Ring champion at the weight! After that fight I would definitely be interested in seeing the rematch before Vic starts looking to higher weights...

Since the time Donaire KO'ed Darchinyan cold, a Donaire-Darchinyan rematch fight always makes sense... There could be other sensible fights for each of them but their rematch always makes sense at any time... unless Donaire will say it doesn't make sense since the outcome will be the same, he will KO Darchinyan again...

We didn't claim Donaire is ahead of Darchinyan... Darchinyan made good progress beating named boxers after he got KO'ed cold by Donaire while Donaire was relatively inactive mainly due to managerial and promotional problems...

And you can't say Donaire has done nothing at 115 for he was the NABF super flyweight champ before he moved down to 112 to face Darchinyan...
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[antimoron]

Yeah I agree, but you have to see where Shaw is coming from. If it was me I wouldn't want you making money from me after you betrayed me... its just common sense isn't it?

Like myself & Eagle have stated on this thread we both feel Darchinyan would be victorious in a rematch & would love to see it happen. But Shaw has taken Darchinyan back to the top & I suppose Darchinyan is happy with the way things have gone & I assume he is showing some loyalty to Shaw by standing by his side in his decision as I would in someone who had done good by me.

That is what KILLING my favorite sport of boxing... its like Don King hates Bob Arum but hey they still work if it makes sense.. dont you think Darchi vs Donaire makes sense?

Disloyalty from ungrateful fighters ain't exactly helping the sport either.

i know VD but theres a reason why he did what he did. Same goes to guys like Guerrero or Ortiz jump ship from different promoter.. They need more exposure that they deserve.. Bottomline is Shaw did shitty things before. He can't focus on boxing due to his involvement with elitexc events at the same time when donaire and kirkland are trying to land big fights. We need to weigh both sides. Shaw got problems with other fighters before like winky and lacy.. the same problem that both kirkland and donaire is facing with Gary. I can't take away the only good thing that Shaw did to donaire by bringing him a title shot at darchi. but after that its nothing..

[eagle]

Some times patience is needed. Darchinyan-Donaire 2 will happen provided both keep winning. To me that's the biggest obstacle. If Darchinyan is to face Montiel next, than losing is highly likely. Donaire needs to concentrate on the task at hand. Like the homie Galaxy said, Martinez is no walk over. He's very capable of beating Donaire. If this fight was taking place in Vegas or some other venue than it's current one I would go with Martinez to win. Good thing for Donaire it's taking place in the Philippines. I don't care how much Martinez dominates Donaire. If he doesn't stop him, he doesn't win.

I'm fully aware that Bro Galaxy and you VD is taking Martinez very seriously but there are some guys like Eagle who belittles this Donaire vs. Martinez fight... I dunno why...

Yep, Donaire vs. Darchinyan might happen eventually if they keep on winning...
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Please show me the one post where i belittled the Martinez fight. I never have done that. your a liar.

[Violent Demise]

That is what KILLING my favorite sport of boxing... its like Don King hates Bob Arum but hey they still work if it makes sense.. dont you think Darchi vs Donaire makes sense?

Disloyalty from ungrateful fighters ain't exactly helping the sport either.

i know VD but theres a reason why he did what he did. Same goes to guys like Guerrero or Ortiz jump ship from different promoter.. They need more exposure that they deserve.. Bottomline is Shaw did shitty things before. He can't focus on boxing due to his involvement with elitexc events at the same time when donaire and kirkland are trying to land big fights. We need to weigh both sides. Shaw got problems with other fighters before like winky and lacy.. the same problem that both kirkland and donaire is facing with Gary. I can't take away the only good thing that Shaw did to donaire by bringing him a title shot at darchi. but after that its nothing..

Fighters always have somebody in the ear. Sometimes somebodies. People telling them how great they are. And how they deserve this and that. And how there not getting what there worth. Filling a fighters head with nonsense. It's when the fighter starts to pay attention that things start to sour. Donaire started to pay attention right away. Donaire convinced himself he was a Super Star and started making moronic demands. He forgot what was done for him.

Shaw gave Donaire his title shot when had less than 20 career fights. A main event fight on ShowTime. 4 months later Donaire is back on ShowTime defending his title for the first time against Luis Maldonado. His fight was no suppose to be telivised. But Shaw convinced ShowTime to show it. I don't know about you. But back to back title fights on ShowTime in 4 months is pretty fukking good expourse. Shaw had big plans for Donaire. But nothing came about. Donaire insane demands killed everything. No fights were being made. Donaire blamed Shaw. What Donaire failed to realize was that eventhough he beat Darchinyan he was still unknown to everybody but Boxing junkies.

Now Donaire has left Shaw. Has his expourse gotten better? You tell me. His next fight is in the Philippines against a good opponent for chump change. To my knowledge that fight is not set to be telivised anywhere. Under Shaw Donaire-Martinez would be on ShowTime or HBO. And Donaire would be making a lot more money. To me Donaire has "flash in the pan" written all over him.

[XaduBoxer]

Disloyalty from ungrateful fighters ain't exactly helping the sport either.

i know VD but theres a reason why he did what he did. Same goes to guys like Guerrero or Ortiz jump ship from different promoter.. They need more exposure that they deserve.. Bottomline is Shaw did shitty things before. He can't focus on boxing due to his involvement with elitexc events at the same time when donaire and kirkland are trying to land big fights. We need to weigh both sides. Shaw got problems with other fighters before like winky and lacy.. the same problem that both kirkland and donaire is facing with Gary. I can't take away the only good thing that Shaw did to donaire by bringing him a title shot at darchi. but after that its nothing..

Under Shaw Donaire-Martinez would be on ShowTime or HBO. And Donaire would be making a lot more money. To me Donaire has "flash in the pan" written all over him.

I don't think so... Donaire showed great boxing skills... He's tall and has the frame to go up even to the featherweight division... And his English is excellent which is an important criteria in the American market... Donaire is still young and definitely his time to completely shine will soon come in the near future...
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[XaduBoxer]

Some times patience is needed. Darchinyan-Donaire 2 will happen provided both keep winning. To me that's the biggest obstacle. If Darchinyan is to face Montiel next, than losing is highly likely. Donaire needs to concentrate on the task at hand. Like the homie Galaxy said, Martinez is no walk over. He's very capable of beating Donaire. If this fight was taking place in Vegas or some other venue than it's current one I would go with Martinez to win. Good thing for Donaire it's taking place in the Philippines. I don't care how much Martinez dominates Donaire. If he doesn't stop him, he doesn't win.

I'm fully aware that Bro Galaxy and you VD is taking Martinez very seriously but there are some guys like Eagle who belittles this Donaire vs. Martinez fight... I dunno why...

Yep, Donaire vs. Darchinyan might happen eventually if they keep on winning...
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Please show me the one post where i belittled the Martinez fight. I never have done that. your a liar.

Here's your post:

"Nonito has never fought bums in the phillipines? Of course he has. Where is his major fanbase? The USA? No its the Phillipines! So if he'd never got his big break with Shaw where would he be most likely be fighting? Exactly where his next fight is. The PHILLIPINES!!!"

So what's with Donaire fighting Martinez in the Philippines?? Isn't it you belittles Donaire's fight with Martinez in the Philippines??

Since you're into namecalling (you called me a liar?? ), I would like also to educate you on spelling and social studies. Philippines is spelled with double "p", and not double "l"'s... And it's Filipinos, not Philipinos...

[eagle]

I'm fully aware that Bro Galaxy and you VD is taking Martinez very seriously but there are some guys like Eagle who belittles this Donaire vs. Martinez fight... I dunno why...

Yep, Donaire vs. Darchinyan might happen eventually if they keep on winning...
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Please show me the one post where i belittled the Martinez fight. I never have done that. your a liar.

Here's your post:

"Nonito has never fought bums in the phillipines? Of course he has. Where is his major fanbase? The USA? No its the Phillipines! So if he'd never got his big break with Shaw where would he be most likely be fighting? Exactly where his next fight is. The PHILLIPINES!!!"

So what's with Donaire fighting Martinez in the Philippines?? Isn't it you belittles Donaire's fight with Martinez in the Philippines??

Since you're into namecalling (you called me a liar?? ), I would like also to educate you on spelling and social studies. Philippines is spelled with double "p", and not double "l"'s... And it's Filipinos, not Philipinos...

Wrong again. That in no way belittles the fight it just says where it is. God u will never ever admit fault.

[XaduBoxer]

Please show me the one post where i belittled the Martinez fight. I never have done that. your a liar.

Here's your post:

"Nonito has never fought bums in the phillipines? Of course he has. Where is his major fanbase? The USA? No its the Phillipines! So if he'd never got his big break with Shaw where would he be most likely be fighting? Exactly where his next fight is. The PHILLIPINES!!!"

So what's with Donaire fighting Martinez in the Philippines?? Isn't it you belittles Donaire's fight with Martinez in the Philippines??

Since you're into namecalling (you called me a liar?? ), I would like also to educate you on spelling and social studies. Philippines is spelled with double "p", and not double "l"'s... And it's Filipinos, not Philipinos...

Wrong again. That in no way belittles the fight it just says where it is. God u will never ever admit fault.

So you are just referring to the place, the Philippines?? So why did you issue the statement below:

"(Donaire) may still be wasting his time fighting bums in the phillipines."

Are you suggesting fights in the Philippines are against bums??
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[eagle]

Here's your post:

"Nonito has never fought bums in the phillipines? Of course he has. Where is his major fanbase? The USA? No its the Phillipines! So if he'd never got his big break with Shaw where would he be most likely be fighting? Exactly where his next fight is. The PHILLIPINES!!!"

So what's with Donaire fighting Martinez in the Philippines?? Isn't it you belittles Donaire's fight with Martinez in the Philippines??

Since you're into namecalling (you called me a liar?? ), I would like also to educate you on spelling and social studies. Philippines is spelled with double "p", and not double "l"'s... And it's Filipinos, not Philipinos...

Wrong again. That in no way belittles the fight it just says where it is. God u will never ever admit fault.

So you are just referring to the place, the Philippines?? So why did you issue the statement below:

"(Donaire) may still be wasting his time fighting bums in the phillipines."

Are you suggesting fights in the Philippines are against bums??
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How is saying if it wasnt for Shaw Donaire may still be fighting bums in the phillipines got anything to do with me belittlling his fight with Martinez?

If it were not for Shaw giving Nonito the exposure he may well be fighting a much lesser opponent than Martinez cos good fighters like him wouldnt bother travelling to fight him.

Nonito and Martinez are both good quality fighters, it is a good fight no doubt. Point is other than in the Phillipines the Donaire Martinez fight is a non event. Maybe if Donaire had not thought himself to be better than what he was and left Shaw he might be making much more and the fight may be on Showtime.

[XaduBoxer]

Wrong again. That in no way belittles the fight it just says where it is. God u will never ever admit fault.

So you are just referring to the place, the Philippines?? So why did you issue the statement below:

"(Donaire) may still be wasting his time fighting bums in the phillipines."

Are you suggesting fights in the Philippines are against bums??
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How is saying if it wasnt for Shaw Donaire may still be fighting bums in the phillipines got anything to do with me belittlling his fight with Martinez?

If it were not for Shaw giving Nonito the exposure he may well be fighting a much lesser opponent than Martinez cos good fighters like him wouldnt bother travelling to fight him.

Nonito and Martinez are both good quality fighters, it is a good fight no doubt. Point is other than in the Phillipines the Donaire Martinez fight is a non event. Maybe if Donaire had not thought himself to be better than what he was and left Shaw he might be making much more and the fight may be on Showtime.

There you go, you belittle this Donaire-Martinez fight in the Philippines. Look at the undercard, it's a world title fight between Solis and Viloria. Can you name one Darchinyan main event where there's a world title fight undercard? None, not even in Armenia or Australia...

I think this Donaire vs. Martinez card will also be a big event in California or in Martinez hometurf in San Antonio, Texas. These are important world title fights that cannot be considered as non event. This fight is not big as Darchi-Arce but I think it's also an important world title fight since both boxers are really good.
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[eagle]

So you are just referring to the place, the Philippines?? So why did you issue the statement below:

"(Donaire) may still be wasting his time fighting bums in the phillipines."

Are you suggesting fights in the Philippines are against bums??
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How is saying if it wasnt for Shaw Donaire may still be fighting bums in the phillipines got anything to do with me belittlling his fight with Martinez?

If it were not for Shaw giving Nonito the exposure he may well be fighting a much lesser opponent than Martinez cos good fighters like him wouldnt bother travelling to fight him.

Nonito and Martinez are both good quality fighters, it is a good fight no doubt. Point is other than in the Phillipines the Donaire Martinez fight is a non event. Maybe if Donaire had not thought himself to be better than what he was and left Shaw he might be making much more and the fight may be on Showtime.

There you go, you belittle this Donaire-Martinez fight in the Philippines. Look at the undercard, it's a world title fight between Solis and Viloria. Can you name one Darchinyan main event where there's a world title fight undercard? None, not even in Armenia or Australia...

I think this Donaire vs. Martinez card will also be a big event in California or in Martinez hometurf in San Antonio, Texas. These are important world title fights that cannot be considered as non event.
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It is a non event compared to Vic v Arce, or Vic v Monteil.

Or say Donaire v Arce, or Donaire v Monteil.

[XaduBoxer]

How is saying if it wasnt for Shaw Donaire may still be fighting bums in the phillipines got anything to do with me belittlling his fight with Martinez?

If it were not for Shaw giving Nonito the exposure he may well be fighting a much lesser opponent than Martinez cos good fighters like him wouldnt bother travelling to fight him.

Nonito and Martinez are both good quality fighters, it is a good fight no doubt. Point is other than in the Phillipines the Donaire Martinez fight is a non event. Maybe if Donaire had not thought himself to be better than what he was and left Shaw he might be making much more and the fight may be on Showtime.

There you go, you belittle this Donaire-Martinez fight in the Philippines. Look at the undercard, it's a world title fight between Solis and Viloria. Can you name one Darchinyan main event where there's a world title fight undercard? None, not even in Armenia or Australia...

I think this Donaire vs. Martinez card will also be a big event in California or in Martinez hometurf in San Antonio, Texas. These are important world title fights that cannot be considered as non event.
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It is a non event compared to Vic v Arce, or Vic v Monteil.

Yes it pales in comparison to Vic vs. Arce (is Vic vs. Montiel already signed?? ) but still it's an important fight for Filipinos, Californians and Texans...
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[Violent Demise]

So you are just referring to the place, the Philippines?? So why did you issue the statement below:

"(Donaire) may still be wasting his time fighting bums in the phillipines."

Are you suggesting fights in the Philippines are against bums??
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How is saying if it wasnt for Shaw Donaire may still be fighting bums in the phillipines got anything to do with me belittlling his fight with Martinez?

If it were not for Shaw giving Nonito the exposure he may well be fighting a much lesser opponent than Martinez cos good fighters like him wouldnt bother travelling to fight him.

Nonito and Martinez are both good quality fighters, it is a good fight no doubt. Point is other than in the Phillipines the Donaire Martinez fight is a non event. Maybe if Donaire had not thought himself to be better than what he was and left Shaw he might be making much more and the fight may be on Showtime.

There you go, you belittle this Donaire-Martinez fight in the Philippines. Look at the undercard, it's a world title fight between Solis and Viloria. Can you name one Darchinyan main event where there's a world title fight undercard? None, not even in Armenia or Australia...

I think this Donaire vs. Martinez card will also be a big event in California or in Martinez hometurf in San Antonio, Texas. These are important world title fights that cannot be considered as non event. This fight is not big as Darchi-Arce but I think it's also an important world title fight since both boxers are really good.
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It's a good card. No doubt. Solis-Viloria really has my interest. But it not being shown on HBO or Show Time is the problem. He left Shaw cuz he said he needed more exposure. Is this what he had in mind? What they going to do? Put in on PPV (big mistake)?

[Galaxy]

That is what KILLING my favorite sport of boxing... its like Don King hates Bob Arum but hey they still work if it makes sense.. dont you think Darchi vs Donaire makes sense?

No I don't think Darchinyan/ Donaire 2 makes sense... at this time! Darchinyan/ Montiel is the better & bigger fight to make!!!

As VD has stated... if they keep winning then sure it will hopefully come to fruitition but Donaire 1st has to make it past Martinez & hopefully Darchinyan & Montiel can get together.

At the moment theres no reason to see Donaire ahead of Montiel because Donaire has done nothing at 115, whereas Darchinyan & Montiel have basically cleaned out the division between them so their fight makes the most sense, plus it will crown a true Ring champion at the weight! After that fight I would definitely be interested in seeing the rematch before Vic starts looking to higher weights...

Since the time Donaire KO'ed Darchinyan cold, a Donaire-Darchinyan rematch fight always makes sense... There could be other sensible fights for each of them but their rematch always makes sense at any time... unless Donaire will say it doesn't make sense since the outcome will be the same, he will KO Darchinyan again...

We didn't claim Donaire is ahead of Darchinyan... Darchinyan made good progress beating named boxers after he got KO'ed cold by Donaire while Donaire was relatively inactive mainly due to managerial and promotional problems...

And you can't say Donaire has done nothing at 115 for he was the NABF super flyweight champ before he moved down to 112 to face Darchinyan...
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You need to understand that if there is a bigger & better fight available then the rematch has to be put on the back burner. I don't want to see Darchinyan/ Donaire 2 right now, I would prefer to see Darchinyan/ Montiel because imo it is the better fight between the 2 best fighters in the division with the real championship on the line. So no imo the rematch does not make sense at this time! It would be nice to see but there are just some fights throughout history where I would have liked to have seen a rematch but it never happened for one reason or another. This may or may not be one of them, we'll have to wait & see. But to me the more important fight (Darchinyan/ Donaire) need to be made before a rematch... that makes sense to me!

Plus if you think Donaire has achieved anywhere near what Darchinyan & Montiel have at 115 then I seriously would have to question your boxing knowledge! Capaturing the ABCD what ever the hell don't mean sh*t against the achievments of Montiel & Darchinyan who together have basically cleaned it out & the only obvious fight at 115 to be made is Darchinyan/ Montiel. I'm sorry but a Donaire rematch at this time is like compairing platinum to tin compared to Darchinyan/ Montiel!!!

I second what VD said about Donaire potentially being a flash in the pan. There is a huge risk that Martinez is gonna hand him his ass & then it may be an uphill battle for exposure from there!

[Julius Rain]

Yea they should go ahead and let Vic and Montiel fight eachother. Whoever wins gets knocked the fucked out by Nonito anyways. Hopefully after Nonito Ktfo Martinez the winner of Vic/Montiel is next for him.

Vic is obviously an easy fight for Nonito, even Gary shaw admitted he wont reward Nonito with a Vic match. That is like handing Nonito the 3 titles Vic got dominated every round and didn't even last 5 rounds. Somebody said Maldonaldo was weaken by Vic but howcome Maldonaldo lasted longer then vic against Nonito?