No one else even a tiny bit suspicious about Hopkins?

[ross]

He is 48 and yes he doesnt fight a dynamic style that looks like he could be on something but did Toney look like he was on them?

A year ago no one would have a bad word said against Lance Armstrong, if you did you were jealous and a hater. He has admitted now to using very suffisticated methods for years. Why would it be out of the realms of possibility for someone like Hopkins?

We have learnt with boxing when something looks too good to be true it generally turns out that way.

There was the time that Pascal asked him to take a test and Hopkins got more riled than I think we have ever seen him but gave no answer. Hopkins Pascal II press conference steroids issue and what they have to say after. - YouTube

Also, one of the best and simplest methods to test for any substances amd is like a diary depending on how long is hair testing and Bernard shaves his head. They use hair testing commonly for new recruits in the police and other job applications but have never cottoned on in boxing. Now could this he because it is too comprehensive and they would prefer the smoke screen of pathetic urine testing?

I cant help but be suspicious of Hopkins. Years ago at middle weight he was losing it against the likes of Taylor but now years later and at a higher weight his work rate has improved?

Hopkins threw and landed more against Cloud than he did in the Taylor rematch over 7 years ago! Even against Dawson he threw more and against Calzaghe he threw more still!

[erics44]

it wouldnt suprise me if he is

then again if you picked the top 10 lb4lb boxers in the world and told me 9 of them were on peds that wouldnt suprise me either

you make some good points

Martinez has got bigger, faster stringer with age, i wonder what type of testing that fella takes

[Violent Demise]

His body isn't cut like it use to be. He's soft in the middle. He hasn't scored a knock out in almost 10 muthafukkin years. He throws like 20 punches a round cuz he'll gas if he doesn't pace himself. And he still provides himself a bunch of rest stops with his clinching and holding. If he's taking anything what exactly is it doing for him?

[ross]

His body isn't cut like it use to be. He's soft in the middle. He hasn't scored a knock out in almost 10 muthafukkin years. He throws like 20 punches a round cuz he'll gas if he doesn't pace himself. And he still provides himself a bunch of rest stops with his clinching and holding. If he's taking anything what exactly is it doing for him?

He may not be cut like he used to be but how do you explain a 48 year old throwing more punches against stronger world champs than he was fighting nearly 8 years ago?

Like I said, look at James Toney!

[Vendettos]

His body isn't cut like it use to be. He's soft in the middle. He hasn't scored a knock out in almost 10 muthafukkin years. He throws like 20 punches a round cuz he'll gas if he doesn't pace himself. And he still provides himself a bunch of rest stops with his clinching and holding. If he's taking anything what exactly is it doing for him?

He may not be cut like he used to be but how do you explain a 48 year old throwing more punches against stronger world champs than he was fighting nearly 8 years ago?

Like I said, look at James Toney!

You explain to me how a man on "sophisticated steroid" hasn't scored a knockout for ten years.

[Beanz]

It is very difficult to sit through a Hopkins fight. There was more action in the Press conference link that you provided @ross and it was definitely more entertaining. I don't think his lack of hair has anything to do with anything. He fights like an Old man not a young man so I don't think he is the most obvious user of P.E.D's if he is using, but like Eric it would not surprise me.

[Violent Demise]

His body isn't cut like it use to be. He's soft in the middle. He hasn't scored a knock out in almost 10 muthafukkin years. He throws like 20 punches a round cuz he'll gas if he doesn't pace himself. And he still provides himself a bunch of rest stops with his clinching and holding. If he's taking anything what exactly is it doing for him?

He may not be cut like he used to be but how do you explain a 48 year old throwing more punches against stronger world champs than he was fighting nearly 8 years ago?

Like I said, look at James Toney!

Paying attention to his fights. Every round where he's very active it's usually followed by an inactive round. He gasses and than rests up. Pascal and Cloud let him get away with it. Dawson wouldn't

[johnsebastianmiran]

I am not a Hopkins fan but why don't we wait until the tests after a fight come in. In the meantime consider that Hopkins plays mind games and gets under your skin. He did prison time and that is one of the things you need to survive and quite frankly he seems to do that to everyone look at who he associates with at Golden Boy, do you think they are bosom buddies? Hopkins is a master of psyche and the next opponent should develope a hearing problem at those meetings. Some of you out there hating certain announcers turned me on to this way of thinking, turn off the volume but remember the world or the opponent is still out there, you just don't hear all those mouths.

[Bobthepen]

His body isn't cut like it use to be. He's soft in the middle. He hasn't scored a knock out in almost 10 muthafukkin years. He throws like 20 punches a round cuz he'll gas if he doesn't pace himself. And he still provides himself a bunch of rest stops with his clinching and holding. If he's taking anything what exactly is it doing for him?

He may not be cut like he used to be but how do you explain a 48 year old throwing more punches against stronger world champs than he was fighting nearly 8 years ago?

Like I said, look at James Toney!

According to compubox:-

Hopkins v Trinidad 653 punches thrown in 2001
Hopkins v Winky 640 punches thrown in 2007
Hopkins v Calzaghe 468 punches thrown in 2008
Hopkins v Pavlik 540 punches thrown in 2008
Hopkins v Dawson 2 punches thrown 400 in 2012
Hopkins v Cloud 417 punches thrown in 2013

What was your point?

[Beanflicker]

Well considering our testosterone levels start to diminish naturally in our early 30s (which is why if you look back at the greats of yesterday, they were all shit by the time they were 35-40 with few exceptions), if Bhop hasn't been using hormone replacement therapy or PED's, he needs to be brought to the Smithsonian and studied thoroughly.

[Bobthepen]

Well considering our testosterone levels start to diminish naturally in our early 30s (which is why if you look back at the greats of yesterday, they were all shit by the time they were 35-40 with few exceptions), if Bhop hasn't been using hormone replacement therapy or PED's, he needs to be brought to the Smithsonian and studied thoroughly.

I think it's more a case of Hopkins living a very clean life, starting late, and looking good against mediocre fighters. Hopkins looked his age against Calzaghe or Dawson, and Ward would butcher him, but against the lethargic also-rans at light heavy he can still look like a spring chick.

[ross]

His body isn't cut like it use to be. He's soft in the middle. He hasn't scored a knock out in almost 10 muthafukkin years. He throws like 20 punches a round cuz he'll gas if he doesn't pace himself. And he still provides himself a bunch of rest stops with his clinching and holding. If he's taking anything what exactly is it doing for him?

He may not be cut like he used to be but how do you explain a 48 year old throwing more punches against stronger world champs than he was fighting nearly 8 years ago?

Like I said, look at James Toney!

According to compubox:-

Hopkins v Trinidad 653 punches thrown in 2001
Hopkins v Winky 640 punches thrown in 2007
Hopkins v Calzaghe 468 punches thrown in 2008
Hopkins v Pavlik 540 punches thrown in 2008
Hopkins v Dawson 2 punches thrown 400 in 2012
Hopkins v Cloud 417 punches thrown in 2013

What was your point?

Hopkins vs Taylor, a fighter his own size at middleweight he threw 371. He throws less against fighters his own size but you cannot deny that from throwing 371 in 2005 when he was already 40 to throwing 400 against Dawson and 417 against Cloud 8 years later is not in he slightest suspicious?

[El Kabong]

I'm a little suspicious but I'm not going to be all butt hurt about my guy Cloud getting beat. Hopkins can be on something and still get beaten, look at Wlad vs Wach. Wach was on PEDs and lost every single round.

[Bobthepen]

His body isn't cut like it use to be. He's soft in the middle. He hasn't scored a knock out in almost 10 muthafukkin years. He throws like 20 punches a round cuz he'll gas if he doesn't pace himself. And he still provides himself a bunch of rest stops with his clinching and holding. If he's taking anything what exactly is it doing for him?

He may not be cut like he used to be but how do you explain a 48 year old throwing more punches against stronger world champs than he was fighting nearly 8 years ago?

Like I said, look at James Toney!

According to compubox:-

Hopkins v Trinidad 653 punches thrown in 2001
Hopkins v Winky 640 punches thrown in 2007
Hopkins v Calzaghe 468 punches thrown in 2008
Hopkins v Pavlik 540 punches thrown in 2008
Hopkins v Dawson 2 punches thrown 400 in 2012
Hopkins v Cloud 417 punches thrown in 2013

What was your point?

Hopkins vs Taylor, a fighter his own size at middleweight he threw 371. He throws less against fighters his own size but you cannot deny that from throwing 371 in 2005 when he was already 40 to throwing 400 against Dawson and 417 against Cloud 8 years later is not in he slightest suspicious?

Taylor was an outstanding athlete, with quick hands, quick feet, and good lateral movement. Nobody throws a lot of punches against a guy like that. It's like asking why Pacquiao's punch output drops when he fights Marquez.

[bigstinkybug]

His body isn't cut like it use to be. He's soft in the middle. He hasn't scored a knock out in almost 10 muthafukkin years. He throws like 20 punches a round cuz he'll gas if he doesn't pace himself. And he still provides himself a bunch of rest stops with his clinching and holding. If he's taking anything what exactly is it doing for him?

He may not be cut like he used to be but how do you explain a 48 year old throwing more punches against stronger world champs than he was fighting nearly 8 years ago?

Like I said, look at James Toney!

*Correct me if im wrong, but wasn't toney using to bulk up... not really the same thing with Hopkins... Hopkins body looks like an older in shape body. He's not doing anything he wasn't doing before. The guy is a known gym rat and eats right. He's walks around at fighting weight... he's not on PEDS..he's still the same ole boring Hopkins.

p.s... i alway said Lance armstrong is on PEDS... and i'll always believe Pac is on something as well.