Andre Ward has refused to participate in the VADA testing

[Freedom]

Why does he have to make this statement?

He should, because he's a high-profile, highly-regarded boxer and because he's publicly agreed with Floyd Mayweather's call for PED testing for all big fights.

Ward said it would be "good for the sport".

He calls himself the "Son of God". If that's a fair nickname, he mustn't have anything dirty to hide. But is he a hypocrite?

[IamInuit]

Why does he have to make this statement?

He should, because he's a high-profile, highly-regarded boxer and because he's publicly agreed with Floyd Mayweather's call for PED testing for all big fights.

Ward said it would be "good for the sport".

He calls himself the "Son of God". If that's a fair nickname, he mustn't have anything dirty to hide. But is he a hypocrite?

There are lots of other higher profile fighters that could be coming forward to do the same even though its not in the contract. Like all of them. Wlad could make one hell of a statement.

All fighters, even the cheaters probably agree with Floyds proclamation.

Have them as a standard part of all contracts. Problem solved.

[ruthless rocco]

i think rodriguez may win this fight.

[IamInuit]

i think rodriguez may win this fight.

You know I think his chances are growing. Ward cant be 100% and this test fiasco has got to be taking a toll. Some of the biggest egos are the most fragile.

[Rantcatrat]

Why does he have to make this statement?

He should, because he's a high-profile, highly-regarded boxer and because he's publicly agreed with Floyd Mayweather's call for PED testing for all big fights.

Ward said it would be "good for the sport".

He calls himself the "Son of God". If that's a fair nickname, he mustn't have anything dirty to hide. But is he a hypocrite?

There are lots of other higher profile fighters that could be coming forward to do the same even though its not in the contract. Like all of them. Wlad could make one hell of a statement.

All fighters, even the cheaters probably agree with Floyds proclamation.

Have them as a standard part of all contracts. Problem solved.

Wlad submits to random Olympic style testing by the way. For the Povetkin fight, a big issue was who to do the testing and ultimately even though it was more expensive, they used multiple testing agencies.

[Rantcatrat]

Ward said today that he's refusing to take the test because it wasn't in their contract.

But you'd think the so-called "Son of God" would do it for the good of the sport. It won't cost him anything and it would make a statement to the public that he's clean.

Why does he have to make this statement?

You're missing the point with all due respect. He is under NO contractual obligation to do it. Therefore, he does NOT have to do it. He should voluntarily do it, especially given his previous, outspoken stance on PEDs and the fact that his opponent is doing it.

By refusing to take PED tests for whatever reason, e.g. contract or not, it is suspicious. I wouldn't go as far as to say he is taking PEDs because innocent until proven guilty, but again it is suspicious.

[ruthless rocco]

Ward said today that he's refusing to take the test because it wasn't in their contract.

But you'd think the so-called "Son of God" would do it for the good of the sport. It won't cost him anything and it would make a statement to the public that he's clean.

Why does he have to make this statement?

You're missing the point with all due respect. He is under NO contractual obligation to do it. Therefore, he does NOT have to do it. He should voluntarily do it, especially given his previous, outspoken stance on PEDs and the fact that his opponent is doing it.

By refusing to take PED tests for whatever reason, e.g. contract or not, it is suspicious. I wouldn't go as far as to say he is taking PEDs because innocent until proven guilty, but again it is suspicious.

Exactly!
Why not be a groundbreaking leader instead of a chicken shit follower.

[IamInuit]

Why does he have to make this statement?

He should, because he's a high-profile, highly-regarded boxer and because he's publicly agreed with Floyd Mayweather's call for PED testing for all big fights.

Ward said it would be "good for the sport".

He calls himself the "Son of God". If that's a fair nickname, he mustn't have anything dirty to hide. But is he a hypocrite?

There are lots of other higher profile fighters that could be coming forward to do the same even though its not in the contract. Like all of them. Wlad could make one hell of a statement.

All fighters, even the cheaters probably agree with Floyds proclamation.

Have them as a standard part of all contracts. Problem solved.

Wlad submits to random Olympic style testing by the way. For the Povetkin fight, a big issue was who to do the testing and ultimately even though it was more expensive, they used multiple testing agencies.

I pulled Wlads name out of the hat. The fact still remains that if you want this kind of testing you dont blind side a guy after a contract has been signed that does not include them. Every fight could go this way. Why not just include it in the contract? If he says no then let the crucifixion commence.

[IamInuit]

Ward said today that he's refusing to take the test because it wasn't in their contract.

But you'd think the so-called "Son of God" would do it for the good of the sport. It won't cost him anything and it would make a statement to the public that he's clean.

Why does he have to make this statement?

You're missing the point with all due respect. He is under NO contractual obligation to do it. Therefore, he does NOT have to do it. He should voluntarily do it, especially given his previous, outspoken stance on PEDs and the fact that his opponent is doing it.

By refusing to take PED tests for whatever reason, e.g. contract or not, it is suspicious. I wouldn't go as far as to say he is taking PEDs because innocent until proven guilty, but again it is suspicious.

How am I missing the point. Seems to me you are missing the point. Andre is not the poster child for surprise testing. Why should he volunteer to do it? This is crazy. If everybody should volunteer to do it then make it mandatory FFS. This is getting ridiculous. Pulling freakin names out of a hat and expecting these people to agree to extra testing after contracts are signed. Person A should volunteer but person B does not have to?

The elephant in the room is the fact that all the powers who run the damn sport dont want the testing.If they did we would not be having this discussion. You cant just start randomly picking guys out of the crowd that already have contracts signed expect them to do it and if they dont presume guilt. That is a witch hunt.

[ruthless rocco]

i gave i list of reasons earlier in the thread why Rodriguez may not have wanted to try to negotiate the testing with ward...

[DavilaJones]

I must confess my ignorance in regards to steroids, I know that some help endurance and muscle building but what other things do they do to give a boxer an illegal edge over his opponent?

[Rantcatrat]

Ward said today that he's refusing to take the test because it wasn't in their contract.

But you'd think the so-called "Son of God" would do it for the good of the sport. It won't cost him anything and it would make a statement to the public that he's clean.

Why does he have to make this statement?

You're missing the point with all due respect. He is under NO contractual obligation to do it. Therefore, he does NOT have to do it. He should voluntarily do it, especially given his previous, outspoken stance on PEDs and the fact that his opponent is doing it.

By refusing to take PED tests for whatever reason, e.g. contract or not, it is suspicious. I wouldn't go as far as to say he is taking PEDs because innocent until proven guilty, but again it is suspicious.

How am I missing the point. Seems to me you are missing the point. Andre is not the poster child for surprise testing. Why should he volunteer to do it? This is crazy. If everybody should volunteer to do it then make it mandatory FFS. This is getting ridiculous. Pulling freakin names out of a hat and expecting these people to agree to extra testing after contracts are signed. Person A should volunteer but person B does not have to?

The elephant in the room is the fact that all the powers who run the damn sport dont want the testing.If they did we would not be having this discussion. You cant just start randomly picking guys out of the crowd that already have contracts signed expect them to do it and if they dont presume guilt. That is a witch hunt.

Put aside the contracts, why wouldn't he want to test if his opponent is undergoing tests? Why not operate on an even playing field?

[Rantcatrat]

Ward said today that he's refusing to take the test because it wasn't in their contract.

But you'd think the so-called "Son of God" would do it for the good of the sport. It won't cost him anything and it would make a statement to the public that he's clean.

Why does he have to make this statement?

You're missing the point with all due respect. He is under NO contractual obligation to do it. Therefore, he does NOT have to do it. He should voluntarily do it, especially given his previous, outspoken stance on PEDs and the fact that his opponent is doing it.

By refusing to take PED tests for whatever reason, e.g. contract or not, it is suspicious. I wouldn't go as far as to say he is taking PEDs because innocent until proven guilty, but again it is suspicious.

How am I missing the point. Seems to me you are missing the point. Andre is not the poster child for surprise testing. Why should he volunteer to do it? This is crazy. If everybody should volunteer to do it then make it mandatory FFS. This is getting ridiculous. Pulling freakin names out of a hat and expecting these people to agree to extra testing after contracts are signed. Person A should volunteer but person B does not have to?

The elephant in the room is the fact that all the powers who run the damn sport dont want the testing.If they did we would not be having this discussion. You cant just start randomly picking guys out of the crowd that already have contracts signed expect them to do it and if they dont presume guilt. That is a witch hunt.

He's not exactly random. He's been outspoken on the subject.

He should volunteer to do it to do his part to clean up the sport in which he is not only a participant, but at the very top level, earning $2,000,000.00 for his next fight, and his opponent is volunteering to do it. Moreover, he is making 2X what his opponent is making for the fight.

Why should he not volunteer to do it? Why should he not want to be the poster child?

[p4pking]

I must confess my ignorance in regards to steroids, I know that some help endurance and muscle building but what other things do they do to give a boxer an illegal edge over his opponent?

They help with recovery more than anything. Many aren't exactly performance enhancing in themselves as much as they allow a person to train harder and more frequently without fatigue or risking injury and with much less down time. It's certainly an incredible edge in most sports no doubt.

[IamInuit]

Ward said today that he's refusing to take the test because it wasn't in their contract.

But you'd think the so-called "Son of God" would do it for the good of the sport. It won't cost him anything and it would make a statement to the public that he's clean.

Why does he have to make this statement?

You're missing the point with all due respect. He is under NO contractual obligation to do it. Therefore, he does NOT have to do it. He should voluntarily do it, especially given his previous, outspoken stance on PEDs and the fact that his opponent is doing it.

By refusing to take PED tests for whatever reason, e.g. contract or not, it is suspicious. I wouldn't go as far as to say he is taking PEDs because innocent until proven guilty, but again it is suspicious.

How am I missing the point. Seems to me you are missing the point. Andre is not the poster child for surprise testing. Why should he volunteer to do it? This is crazy. If everybody should volunteer to do it then make it mandatory FFS. This is getting ridiculous. Pulling freakin names out of a hat and expecting these people to agree to extra testing after contracts are signed. Person A should volunteer but person B does not have to?

The elephant in the room is the fact that all the powers who run the damn sport dont want the testing.If they did we would not be having this discussion. You cant just start randomly picking guys out of the crowd that already have contracts signed expect them to do it and if they dont presume guilt. That is a witch hunt.

Put aside the contracts, why wouldn't he want to test if his opponent is undergoing tests? Why not operate on an even playing field?

This is becoming eternally circular. We keep on arriving at the start.

Why did they not include it in the contract? You cant just remove the contract from discussion.