It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
Tommy was a beast- I feel like he won the Leonard rematch pretty handily but they scored it a draw. No shame in the first loss at all, that was a great match up between two legit ATGs in their primes. No shame in the Hagler loss either- he moved up to take on one of the best ATG middles ever and lost the most exciting fight in the history of the sport. The losses to Barkley hurt Tommy’s ranking more than anything else- Barkley had his number but outside of that he shouldn’t have been anywhere near Tommy’s level.
Head to head Tommy and Ray destroy Floyd at 147. As Master said, however, 147 wasn’t Floyd’s best weight and the other two were HUGE and maybe in the top 3 best ever at the weight. Historically ranking them I put Ray above Floyd (by a few spots) and Tommy behind him.
Barkley was very lucky in the first fight, he was being ripped apart and absolutely destroyed with the ref about to stop it.
Tommy was vicious, so precise with his punches and dominated that contest until that punch! That was a near complete performance as you could get, top quality from Hearns.
Do not let success go to your head and do not let failure get to your heart.
No disrespect, but I find this a really strange comment. Surely when you rate somebody , IT HAS TO BE based on what you’ve seen.
We can all take other people’s views and make them ours, but what would be the point. “He’s the best cos Joe Bloggs said so.”
This is why I try not to include people like Willie Pep or Ezzard Charles because I’ve hardly seen anything of them.
Former Undisputed 4 belt Prediction champion. Still P4P and People’s Champion.
you asked a question that had no relevance to what i have said or implied, itwould be like me asking you because roy had a more accomplished amateur career puts him above bernard on the all time greatest list? the question has no relevance to what you have said or implied. i'd just be creating an argument you didn't make. i'm always relaxed
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
i don't think the question is strange at all. i have never watched golf but i think if i put in the time & effort i could research & come up with a pretty solid list of the all time greatest golfers without watching a single stroke. why would you make someone else's views yours? the point is to form an opinion based on the information you have. i wouldn't be forming my opinion based on just what joe bloggs said. you are free to form your opinions anyway you like
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
You can base your opinions on fighters based on what you read about them, what they achieved and opinions from respected people about them. Nathaniel Fleischer, founder of Ring magazine, rated Jack Johnson and other old fighters highly and wrote articles illustrating how good they were.
Do not let success go to your head and do not let failure get to your heart.
What a funny role reversal:S...
Floyd was top class he wasn't a big guy at all but he was owning 154 lb guys even when he weighed in under the limit. I do think he was picking his opponents well by the end though so his 50-0 isn't quite as impressive as it should be...
It's between him and Roy for the best I've seen,(maybe usyk too :S), as for who ilwas better out of those two, who knows or cares.
So if Nathaniel Fleischer goes in balls deep about Jack Johnson, you would happily put him above Ali for example?
I thought the forum was for expressing OUR thoughts and opinions , not somebody else’s.
I’ll have to remember this when I’m “debating” with certain people , while they are just plain “mass debating” or something that sounds like that anyway. SMH.
Former Undisputed 4 belt Prediction champion. Still P4P and People’s Champion.
Nat never saw the truly great things that Ali achieved and rated Johnson above Louis.
My point was that well respected writers chronicled the great things that the old fighters did and you can take those views on when you consider the whole history of the division. Benny Leonard is one of the great lightweights read up on him.
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