ICB Where did you learn to play chess mate?

[BIG H]

Regardless of what Ice does in his life...it is his life. He has shown boxing knowledge...alot of it. Hes around my age and i must say hes got me on it. If i had to debate ICB i think I would lose and ive been a member here for a while. ICB does not owe it to anyone here to share personal details because in the end whos business is it? Its his. If you think hes a fraud, call him out on his boxing knowledge and not his chess playing ability. You may be able to fake a chess match, a picture of your mrs or anything else but knowledge can not be faked. But i havent seen anyone stand up in this thread and call him out for a debate on boxing. It shouldnt matter if hes an amateur or not...if he can back this shit up with knowledge then you are all fucked. Im not saying there hasnt been moments where i have questioned some of ICBs posts but fuck i remember when i got here. I wasnt exactly ready to share my life story and if i did i may of left parts out or may have lied because i was insecure....didnt want a bunch of people i didnt know knowing that much about me. Ive been here for a bit and after i settled in i was more comfortable sharing details. Its alright for some of yas...you guys like getting raped lol Yes im talking about you bilbo and clubber...steelie doesnt count coz hes likes it too much for it be rape, he doesnt resist at all....thats what saddo told me anyway But i wouldnt be quick to reveal where abouts i train or what gym or something if i lived in a country like england....your all fuckin weirdos, jack the ripper ring a bell? haha

So lay off ya queer cunts unless you can take ICB down in a boxing debate. And missy...your just jealous coz your not ICBs mrs, youve been angry ever since steelie dumped you for saddo

Tell that to Alex_W

[Snakey]

Regardless of what Ice does in his life...it is his life. He has shown boxing knowledge...alot of it. Hes around my age and i must say hes got me on it. If i had to debate ICB i think I would lose and ive been a member here for a while. ICB does not owe it to anyone here to share personal details because in the end whos business is it? Its his. If you think hes a fraud, call him out on his boxing knowledge and not his chess playing ability. You may be able to fake a chess match, a picture of your mrs or anything else but knowledge can not be faked. But i havent seen anyone stand up in this thread and call him out for a debate on boxing. It shouldnt matter if hes an amateur or not...if he can back this shit up with knowledge then you are all fucked. Im not saying there hasnt been moments where i have questioned some of ICBs posts but fuck i remember when i got here. I wasnt exactly ready to share my life story and if i did i may of left parts out or may have lied because i was insecure....didnt want a bunch of people i didnt know knowing that much about me. Ive been here for a bit and after i settled in i was more comfortable sharing details. Its alright for some of yas...you guys like getting raped lol Yes im talking about you bilbo and clubber...steelie doesnt count coz hes likes it too much for it be rape, he doesnt resist at all....thats what saddo told me anyway But i wouldnt be quick to reveal where abouts i train or what gym or something if i lived in a country like england....your all fuckin weirdos, jack the ripper ring a bell? haha

So lay off ya queer cunts unless you can take ICB down in a boxing debate. And missy...your just jealous coz your not ICBs mrs, youve been angry ever since steelie dumped you for saddo

Tell that to Alex_W

Touche lol You got me there. Alex W was even a fuckin mod, saddo how did that slip past you lol I guess if you really didnt have a life and wanted to fake it then you could but sooner or later you slip up. I did find times with Alex when he was talking about boxing, he wasnt that great. He knew basic shit in my opinion, nothing profound or anything. I just think even if ICB isnt who he says he is then he still has some great knowledge on the sport.

Hows it been Big H anyway?

[CutMeMick]

Snakey anyone on here can copy & paste lists that have been reposted for over 4 yrs. on this board.
All you have to do is save the link to your favorites or copy and paste the lists to Microsoft Word and have then ready for threads.
All you gotta do is run a search find the lists and copy and paste them.

This knowledge you speak of to me is even more suspect then anything else.
I'm certain he's learned now after all he does post here and he does watch fights but I know for a fact he's posted something things on here that have contradicted things he's said in the past.
The thing is snake the things he says he knows or knew become lies when he's caught on something.

I've known this for years and so have others but everyone kept it to themselves and just played along. I know certain who pretend to be in good with him and agree with him in posts just to see what he's gonna post next. So you see Snake it just so happens that things have piled up and people here whom he's befriended online want to know is he real or is he all talk.

It's a known FACT at least to a lot of people I've talked to here 1 on 1 that ICB is quite fond of BoxRec & google.

I remember talking about the great Gilberto Roman & Miguel Canto in a thread and ICB said he had never seen them before so I linked him to some YouTube links.
About a month later ICB lists Gilberto Roman as one of the most skilled Mexican fighters he had ever seen. Having only seen about a 5 minute video of him. Go figure.

The internet holds a lot... I mean a lot of knowledge snakey so don't buy everything people post. You gotta learn to read between the lines. All you have to do is google the topic.

I've debated with ICB many times and if he's as honest and sincere as he says he is he'll tell you I've beat him every single time.
I'd debate with him today, tomorrow and next month and would not lose to him because I know my knowledge on the subject is real talk and I can back it up with facts.
I also don't think anyone here would not be up to debate with ICB I'm certain many people have debated with him.
ICBs style of debating is he's right & your wrong cause he saw the fight years ago and he'll see it again once he downloads it and that's it.
He himself has admitted that he can get angry and behave like an ass because of a lot of the personal problems he says he has.

For fucks sake Snakey, ICB lists Oscar De La Hoya as one of Mexicos greatest fighters? Oscar was born in Montebello, CA and won a gold medal for The United States of America in Barcelona, Spain in '92.
But because his parents were born in Mexico he (ICB) thinks that makes him Mexican.

Also your talking about being a newbie, ICB is not a newbie and he's been here for sometime now has posted pictures of himself on the avatar, his girl friend and has opened up about a lot of things here posting when he 1st found out he was going to be a father and other personal stuff. It's not like he just got here last week...

Anyway...
One thing I've OFTEN said is I would like to meet several people here in person to debate on a topic and see if all the boxing knowledge that is posted here by them is real talk or is it google doing the work for them.

So you see Snakey this knowledge you speak of can come by way of google.

Also check this post I put in another thread.

I like ICB the "character" and all, he does contribute because he posts often but anyone who believed any of things he said or posted obviously hasn't been here since his arrival.

He reposts peoples posts, he tells people things that have been told to him by the same people he's telling them to.

His boxing life/story has changed soo many times from not knowing boxing at all to knowing boxing because of his grandfather.
To saying he knew all along that Naseem would loose to Barrera when he was only 7 at the time and he knew Naz would be exposed that night.

He goes from saying 1 week he's never seen a fighter to the next week rating him as one of the best skilled fighters ever.

From watching Pernell for the 1st time to about 3 weeks later saying he's always been a fan and has seen most of his career.

Me personally I'm gonna put it out there I never have and never will believe anything he posts. I played the game just because, but now that this is out there I'm putting it out there like that.

He quotes things I've said and makes it seem like he originally said them.
I once said watching Pernell fight was like watching water in motion every move flowed with the rest of his body flowing like a wave. He later retyped my comment but added "To me watching Pernell fight was like..."

I gotta admit the shit that just made me laugh so much was the bit where he said he's earning a living right now selling Play Station games.
I've got no problems with anyone trying to earn a living at all especially if it's something honest but look at the big pic. here is suppose to be a father now (or he already is)
and the best thing his mind can think of is sell PS games to get cash? I'm sorry but I know 16 yr. old kids who are out there applying for jobs and working in whatever they can on a daily basis
to earn a living.

I'm sure we ALL have certain personal things we don't want people to know and we keep them away from this place but this situation here is more then that this is lie, after lie, after lie.

[CutMeMick]

The reason I'm posting this is because I'm real with you all.

You guys might not know all my personal life and there's a lot about me you guys don't know and won't know but I'm real and I would like to think most of you are real with me.

I know who's real and who's not. People that I know are real talk know who they are we've exchanged PM's and had real talks. You know it when you talk to someone even through the net when it's real.

JT, Superheavy, POB, JohnnyKickAss, amat, C-Lo, BIG H, Memphis, Smash, Missy, OumaFan, SweetPea, Scrap, CFH, CGM, Bilbo, Legion, killersheep, Silverback, THIRDMAN, Galaxy, eagle etc. etc. etc. you know it you know it when they post as you read their post you feel it's real talk.

I just think that the game was played this long and the hour glass has ran out and it's time to get some answers to some questions.

Is it surprising that it's not just 1 person it's a couple of people who have encountered this?
I think we just want to him to be real and be himself not pretend to be someone he's not especially cause he's been here this long.

[JohnnyKickAss]

The reason I'm posting this is because I'm real with you all.

You guys might not know all my personal life and there's a lot about me you guys don't know and won't know but I'm real and I would like to think most of you are real with me.

I know who's real and who's not. People that I know are real talk know who they are we've exchanged PM's and had real talks. You know it when you talk to someone even through the net when it's real.

JT, Superheavy, POB, JohnnyKickAss, amat, C-Lo, BIG H, Memphis, Smash, Missy, OumaFan, SweetPea, Scrap, CFH, CGM, Bilbo, Legion, killersheep, Silverback, THIRDMAN, Galaxy, eagle etc. etc. etc. you know it you know it when they post as you read their post you feel it's real talk.

I just think that the game was played this long and the hour glass has ran out and it's time to get some answers to some questions.

Is it surprising that it's not just 1 person it's a couple of people who have encountered this?
I think we just want to him to be real and be himself not pretend to be someone he's not especially cause he's been here this long.

Wohoo...I'm real...


BTW...don't ever believe anything wiothout questioning it...especially when its on the internet or on tv...

[brucelee]

I may be late in this reply. I'm not defending ICB here coz I have noticed it before that he was telling lies about his fights. I can clearly remember when he said he lost one of his fights and then later telling people that he is undefeated. REgarding the chess openings, I've started playing chess when I was 7. I've read a lot of books, mastered the d4 (in reaction to Bilbo's post about d4) when I was in college, constantly played with chessmaster and have beaten Kasparov (in chessmaster7) way back when I was younger. After not playing chess for almost 2 years now, I could hardly remember the names of the openings which I have mastered before. It's probable that ICB and I are having the same experience. Regarding boxing knowledge, ICB has improved a lot after being here for how many years already. I guess that's what matters. He might have cheated in chess and have lied about his boxing life but I guess his knowledge in boxing is solid.

[Kel]

The only thing I noticed about ICE was a really different change in his posting around 2 years ago, he became really defensive and argumentative, other than that I never thought anything bad of him.

Dunno why he had to lie about anything but I like to think everyone else on here is just a normal fella sharing a laugh and joke, debating and talking about boxing and being REAL.

I'm shocked anyone would go through all that effort to impress a forum he said countless times was 'just a laugh' to him.

[Bomp]

The only thing I noticed about ICE was a really different change in his posting around 2 years ago, he became really defensive and argumentative, other than that I never thought anything bad of him.

Dunno why he had to lie about anything but I like to think everyone else on here is just a normal fella sharing a laugh and joke, debating and talking about boxing and being REAL.

I'm shocked anyone would go through all that effort to impress a forum he said countless times was 'just a laugh' to him.

Most people come on here for a laugh, but by his post count Saddo's was probably one of the most integral parts of his life, probably why he gets so defensive when someone calls him out.

[Kev]

I may be late in this reply. I'm not defending ICB here coz I have noticed it before that he was telling lies about his fights. I can clearly remember when he said he lost one of his fights and then later telling people that he is undefeated. REgarding the chess openings, I've started playing chess when I was 7. I've read a lot of books, mastered the d4 (in reaction to Bilbo's post about d4) when I was in college, constantly played with chessmaster and have beaten Kasparov (in chessmaster7) way back when I was younger. After not playing chess for almost 2 years now, I could hardly remember the names of the openings which I have mastered before. It's probable that ICB and I are having the same experience. Regarding boxing knowledge, ICB has improved a lot after being here for how many years already. I guess that's what matters. He might have cheated in chess and have lied about his boxing life but I guess his knowledge in boxing is solid.

I don't know mate your experience simply makes no sense to me. So you mean you studied a lot of books (I guess by a lot this means more than two at least and most likely 4 or 5 even more). You then played enough chess to be able to defeat Kasparov in Chessmaster 7 which is basically its highest level.

I just have problems with this, firstly becuase there has never been to my knowledge such a product as Chessmaster 7, so I presume you mean Chessmaster 7000 which came out in 2002.

Secondly I believe Chessmaster 7000 had an elo rating of around 2600 which means that if you were able to beat it at its highest level consistently you would easily be among the world's top 200 or so players.

A quick look at the official Fide ratings shows only 6 players from the Phillipines are rated above 2500 so certainly you are one of the best two or three players in your country and should have been playing the Olympiads a couple months ago for your nation certainly.

Then just like Ice you claim to have forgotten all the openings since your time out of college.

I don't like to suggest people talk absolute nonsense but it is the boxing equivalent of saying you used to spar in your back garden and got really good and then knocked out Floyd Mayweather in a closed door sparring session that nobody can recall but never turned pro or had even one documented amatuer fight.

I think people are simply delusional when they talk about their chess ability. Legion last year claimed an Elo of 2800 which would have made him the world's strongest player right now and only about half a dozen or so points away from Kasparov's all time high rating. In the actual event he was about as good as I was back then in April which was probably around the 1100-1200 mark.

[brucelee]

Sorry about the chessmaster 7000. I forgot even the name coz I havent played with it since I started to work as an accountant.

Bilbo, I've played against kasparov in that game and I have recorded my win. I've even written it at the back cover of the book entitled "chess openings:traps and zaps" by pandolfini. I also have compilations of the chess olympiads, I have a book entitled: "winning with d4". That's why I've mastered d4. I've given it to my friend who's currently active in chess. I have lots of chess puzzles. Sadly, I haven' opened those books for years now.

I took the book from my old book shelf just to confirm whether I really put it there. I won after 28 moves.

I started with these moves:

I'm white (I like to attack):
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Bc4 Bc5
4. d3 d6
5. Nc3 Nf6
6. Bg5 h6
7. B xf6 g xf6
8. Nc3-d5 Be6

If you really want how it proceeded I can post all my moves. For the record, I've only beaten Kasparov twice and after that I was not able to replicate again those wins.

Also, I've played with players before but my profession hinders me from going full time with chess.

In my impoverished country, playing chess full time is not very lucrative. People in my country get rich by being a boxer (like Pacquaio) but with chess, you'll go nowhere.

BTW, chess is a game of memory. Right now, I must admit that my memory is not that good anymore. Maybe that's the reason why I can't win anymore and can hardly remember the names of all the openings. Maybe we can play online just to prove that I can play chess. I'll explain my moves while doing it so you will know that I will not be using any cheats.

Regarding ICB, I've also observed that his grammar had improved. Could it be possible that it was not ICB who's currently posting in here?

Edit: I've decided to post the continuation of the game. Enjoy verifying it.

9. Qd2 h5
10. h4 Bxd5
11. Bxd5 Qc8
12. Bxc6+ b7xc6
13. a3 Qg4
14. Rh1-g1 0-0
15. 0-0-0 f5
16. d4 Bxd4
17. Nxd4 exd4
18. exf5 Qxh4
19. Rh1 Qg4 (edited: sorry)
20. f6 C5
21. Qh6 Qg6
22. Qxh5 Qxh5
23. Rh1x h5 Rf8-e8
24. Rd1 -h1 Re8-e1+
25. Rh1-e1 d4-d3
26. Re1-h1 d3-d2+
27. Kc1 xd2 Ra8 - e8
28. Rh5-h8 1-0

I don't know if there was something wrong with the program but you can play it again and tell me if the computer made a wrong move.

All I can remember is, I won in this game against Kasparov (chessmaster) and I've written it in one of my books so I will not forget about that game.

I have another win actually. I'll post it for your scrutiny if you want me to.

Just for your info, I like mindgames. Remember, it was I who took your crown about that m-memory game we've played before.hehehehe. PM me your yahoo ID so we can play chess.

Peace.

[RP33]

Sorry about the chessmaster 7000. I forgot even the name coz I havent played with it since I started to work as an accountant.

Bilbo, I've played against kasparov in that game and I have recorded my win. I've even written it at the back cover of the book entitled "chess openings:traps and zaps" by pandolfini.

I took the book from my old book shelf just to confirm whether I really put it there. I won after 28 moves.

I started with these moves:

I'm white (I like to attack):
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Bc4 Bc5
4. d3 d6
5. Nc3 Nf6
6. Bg5 h6
7. B xf6 g xf6
8. Nc3-d5 Be6

If you really want how it proceeded I can post all my moves. For the record, I've only beaten Kasparov twice and after that I was not able to replicate again those wins.

Also, I've played with players before but my profession hinders me from going full time with chess.

In my impoverished country, playing chess full time is not very lucrative. People in my country get rich by being a boxer (like Pacquaio) but with chess, you'll go nowhere.

BTW, chess is a game of memory. Right now, I must admit that my memory is not that strong anymore. Maybe that's the reason why I can't win anymore and can hardly remember the names of all the openings. Maybe we can play online just to prove that I can play chess. I'll explain my moves while doing it so you will know that I will not be using any cheats.

Regarding ICB, I've also observed that his grammar had improved. Could it be possible that it was not ICB who's currently posting in here?

Edit: I've decided to post the continuation of the game. Enjoy verifying it.

9. Qd2 h5
10. h4 Bxd5
11. Bxd5 Qc8
12. Bxc6+ b7xc6
13. a3 Qg4
14. Rh1-g1 0-0
15. 0-0-0 f5
16. d4 Bxd4
17. Nxd4 exd4
18. exf5 Qxh4
19. Rh1 Qxh4
20. f6 C5
21. Qh6 Qg6
22. Qxh5 Qxh5
23. Rh1x h5 Rf8-e8
24. Rd1 -h1 Re8-e1+
25. Rh1-e1 d4-d3
26. Re1-h1 d3-d2+
27. Kc1 xd2 Ra8 - e8
28. Rh5-h8 1-0

I don't know if there was something wrong with the program but you can play it again and tell me if the computer made a wrong move.

All I can remember is, I won in this game against Kasparov (chessmaster) and I've written it in one of my books so I will not forget about that game.

I have another win actually. I'll post it for your scrutiny if you want me to.

Are you suggesting that you're past your prime in Chess?

interesting.

I wonder if people who fish for sport have a prime in their career.

This is still a great thread.

[RP33]

The reason I'm posting this is because I'm real with you all.

You guys might not know all my personal life and there's a lot about me you guys don't know and won't know but I'm real and I would like to think most of you are real with me.

I know who's real and who's not. People that I know are real talk know who they are we've exchanged PM's and had real talks. You know it when you talk to someone even through the net when it's real.

JT, Superheavy, POB, JohnnyKickAss, amat, C-Lo, BIG H, Memphis, Smash, Missy, OumaFan, SweetPea, Scrap, CFH, CGM, Bilbo, Legion, killersheep, Silverback, THIRDMAN, Galaxy, eagle etc. etc. etc. you know it you know it when they post as you read their post you feel it's real talk.

I just think that the game was played this long and the hour glass has ran out and it's time to get some answers to some questions.

Is it surprising that it's not just 1 person it's a couple of people who have encountered this?
I think we just want to him to be real and be himself not pretend to be someone he's not especially cause he's been here this long.

i don't believe you..

in fact, i think that you're stalking some kid who always wears sunglasses that you secretly idolize.

[Kev]

Sorry about the chessmaster 7000. I forgot even the name coz I havent played with it since I started to work as an accountant.

Bilbo, I've played against kasparov in that game and I have recorded my win. I've even written it at the back cover of the book entitled "chess openings:traps and zaps" by pandolfini.

I took the book from my old shelves just to confirm whether I really put it there. I won after 27 moves.

I started with this moves:

I'm white (I like to attack):
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Bc4 Bc5
4. d3 d6
5. Nc3 Nf6
6. Bg5 h6
7. B xf6 g xf6
8. Nc3-d5 Be6

If you really want how it proceeded I can post all my moves. For the record, I've only beaten Kasparov twice and after that I was not able to replicate again those wins.

Also, I've played with players before but my profession hinders me from going full time with chess.

In my impoverished country, playing chess full time is not very lucrative. People in my country get rich by being a boxer (like Pacquaio) but with chess, you'll go nowhere.

BTW, chess is a game of memory. Right now, I must admit that my memory is not that strong anymore. Maybe that's the reason why I can't win anymore and can hardly remember the names of all the openings. Maybe we can play online just to prove that I can play chess. I'll explain my moves while doing it so you will know that I will not be using any cheats.

Regarding ICB, I've also observed that his grammar had improved. Could it be possible that it was not ICB who's currently posting in here?

Definitely post the game Brucelee, I can't actually remember the great Kasparov being an e5 player as he was famous for his Silician Najdorf but whatever.

Actually the line you are playing is the Guiuco Piano especially popular with school kids, there is no way in hell that Chessmaster at its highest level would first of all open with 1.e5 if it was modelling Kasparov and the opening book it played was terrible.

There is no way that chessmaster on its highest level would play 7.gxf6, it would have recaptured with the queen. Even a relative patzer like myself can see that's a duffers move at first glance.

I'm not sure what you beat, or how good it was but It certainly wasn't chessmaster at its highest level.

It would have responded to 1.e5 with 1.c5 gone into a highly theoretical Sicilian defense and most likely drubbed you off the board inside 25 moves.

But post the game up anyway, it will be interesting to see what mistakes Grandmaster Kasparov made in this line.

[CGM]

He bruce, I tried playing over the game, it looks ok although I didn't carefully analyze or anything.

I noticed an error in your notation. You have ...Qxh4 for black on both the 18th and 19th moves, so I couldn't go any further.

7...gxf6 looks positionally suspect, but it might be ok, because you can follow up with ...f5 at some point, with active play with your pawns in the center.

[brucelee]

Bilbo, I was playing white. Yeah, I can remember now. Guiuco Piano that was the name of my opening. Anyway, it's sometimes black who decides where it will go.