Dominance! (There will be spoilers about Wlad-Chambers)

[ICB]

Hopkins and Calzaghe were fighting men who weighed the same and had similar physical tools. There were no 40 pound weight differentials to be dealing with. If the guy was taller, then at least you knew you weighed the same. The other weight classes exist for good reason. Only at heavyweight can you get such size disparities.

Don't get me wrong Wlad does what he needs to do and it isn't his fault that there is noone to challenge him, but Chambers could quite easily make cruiserweight. Wlad is a superheavyweight really. I think the size can be overcome with skills, but unfortunately there seems to be nothing much on the horizon. A Tyson type figure would put the fear of god into Wlad. Tyson would be his achilles heel. I just don't see how Wladimir would be able to keep him off and stay calm enough to not allow his stamina to suffer badly. Chambers is quite quick, but not offensive minded in the slightest. He has no real power and was too willing to just let the seconds tick by while Wlad kept pawing at the guard.

I've always much preferred Vitali to Wlad, at least the man engages and throws punches.

yes and someone with the advantages of Wladimer, fights like he has none at all.

As I said he has size, reach, speed, accuracy and POWER over any other Heavyweight out there. A height and reach advantage as well.

Now, why would someone with all these advantages have to take 12 rounds to stop any opponent? Simply put he is afraid of getting knocked out again. If he used all the skill he has he would be blowing people out in a round or two. You can talk trash about Lennox Lewis all you want but when he had someone he took them out of there so he wouldnt get caught with anything crazy. Wladimer just prolongs and prolongs and prolongs.

When Lennox had someone hurt he got them out.

Fact is Wladimer would take 12 rounds to beat Andrew Golata now, and Lewis knocked him out in the first round.

People can try to say Lennox was boring but he never "prolong"ed anything.

Tua he never really hurt and boxed safely and it was a boring fight. But Wladimer has no tua's in front of him, no one thats gonna blow him out. he had freaking eddie chambers in front of him, 50 pound weight advantage, 6 inch height advantage probably a long reach advantage too and yet it takes him 12 rounds to beat this guy? Why anyone tries to excuse Wlads boringness is beyond me

What the Tua/Lewis fight lacked in constant action made up for it ion the shots they took....Both fighters ate some big big punches in that bout

Not really David Tua landed about 4 solid punches in the bout, and im not sure if any of them were that flush. Considering Lennox Lewis was always moving backwards from the punch, taking the sting out of it.

Not a fight i would ever want to rewatch, David Tua was suprisingly very defensive. And never really tried to win, and Lennox Lewis was very boring to watch in that fight for me, a real stinker of a fight considering the two fighters.

[ninjaspy3]

I noticed one thing though about Wlad

And you can witness this for yourselves if you look back at the klitschko vs chagaev fight videos.

When ever Chagaev would charge forward, Klitschko would take a little hop back...or occassionally to the side.

But what I really found interesting is, when Chagaev did get in close, Klitschko held him.

Now in many boxing matches, when 2 fighters get in a clinch, the ref gives them a chance or a little time to work themselves out of the clinch. -but- in Klitschkos fight, the ref came in and seperated the fighters almost every time, as quickly as he could.

Now you may say, "So what?"

On the inside, the smaller fighter has his best chance... that is while he is not tied up by Klitschko But if the ref comes every single time and instantly seperates them..... the small fighter has to work to get in close yet again...

and again...

and again...

only to get tied up, and seperated.

Now Im sorry and dont mean to hate but uh.... that sucks for the small fighter. Thats just a waste of energy to get on the inside only to have next to no chance to capitalize on it.

Anyone else see it the way I do?

NO

Examples:

0:43
1:03
YouTube - Klitschko vs Chagaev round 1


rnd 2
0:10
YouTube - Klitschko vs Chagaev round 2

Rnd 5
1:40 - wtf??
YouTube - Klitschko vs Chagaev round 5

Round 6
1:34
1:52
2:20
YouTube - Klitschko vs Chagaev round 6

[DaxxKahn]

Well holding is not against the rules...Though ,makes for boring fights but look at the videos...For example in the first at abt 40 seconds in...Wlad had him all tangled up Chagaev was not going to punch his way out of it...Why allow time to just mangle each other...I could see if there was some chance for some work to be done but more or less it is a struggle to get out of a sleeping bag not close quarter in fighting

[Rantcatrat]

Well holding is not against the rules...Though ,makes for boring fights but look at the videos...For example in the first at abt 40 seconds in...Wlad had him all tangled up Chagaev was not going to punch his way out of it...Why allow time to just mangle each other...I could see if there was some chance for some work to be done but more or less it is a struggle to get out of a sleeping bag not close quarter in fighting

Holding isn't against the rules. And it's not like VLad's opponents and their expensive trainser don't know Vlad holds. That they haven't figured a way to counteract his holding is more testament to his ability. That said, I'm not a fan of holding at all. I hate when Bernard does it and I hate when Vlad does it.

[Pugilistic]

Well holding is not against the rules...Though ,makes for boring fights but look at the videos...For example in the first at abt 40 seconds in...Wlad had him all tangled up Chagaev was not going to punch his way out of it...Why allow time to just mangle each other...I could see if there was some chance for some work to be done but more or less it is a struggle to get out of a sleeping bag not close quarter in fighting

Holding isn't against the rules. And it's not like VLad's opponents and their expensive trainser don't know Vlad holds. That they haven't figured a way to counteract his holding is more testament to his ability. That said, I'm not a fan of holding at all. I hate when Bernard does it and I hate when Vlad does it.

Bernard only started constant holding once he reached his late 30's where he had to change up his style to suit his declining physical attributes.

[DaxxKahn]

Well holding is not against the rules...Though ,makes for boring fights but look at the videos...For example in the first at abt 40 seconds in...Wlad had him all tangled up Chagaev was not going to punch his way out of it...Why allow time to just mangle each other...I could see if there was some chance for some work to be done but more or less it is a struggle to get out of a sleeping bag not close quarter in fighting

Holding isn't against the rules. And it's not like VLad's opponents and their expensive trainser don't know Vlad holds. That they haven't figured a way to counteract his holding is more testament to his ability. That said, I'm not a fan of holding at all. I hate when Bernard does it and I hate when Vlad does it.

Well never said I was a fan either nor do I know many fans who are...I mean if that was the case John Ruiz would be PPV headliner

Just was stating that was not like Wlad was doing anything wrong nor was the ref showing favoritism not letting the smaller man wk..Like you said it is part of his style shows his ability to keep his man from getting anything accomplished inside

[rjj tszyu]

Corrie Sanders

This version of Wlad would destroy Sanders.

Hard to say that really, Wladimir Klitschko hasn't really met a dangerous fighter like Corrie Sanders for some years now. It was Corrie Sander's speed and aggression that won him the fight, he literally stormed out in the 1st round and Wladimir Klitschko never had a chance.

I honestly don't think Wladimir Klitschko, could deal with a prime/dangerous Corrie Sanders. And he certainly wouldn't be able to just cruise to victory by using his jab either, his jab wouldn't be as effective against a Southpaw, especially a fast Southpaw like Corrie Sanders.

Remember even Vitali Klitschko had to take some hard shots, from Corrie Sanders before he won. Especially in the 1st round where he was quite badly stunned, Wladimir Klitschko wouldn't of been able to survive that onslaught.

Styles make fights and just because Wladimir Klitschko has improved, mostly due to the fact he fights more cautiously. Doesn't mean he would beat Corrie Sanders, i just can't see Wladimir Klitschko being able to hide behind his jab all night.

Considering Corrie Sanders is a Southpaw, is very quick handed. Plus he has a fair dig aswell.

Gotta disagree with you here pal. I think the new version of Wlad takes Sanders out. Yes Vitali had to take some good shots to get Sanders out but his style lets him take shots anyway, Wlads new one does not.

Also I remember Sanders going the distance with blown up Johnny Nelson when Nelson was coming off a KO defeat to Norbert Ekassi and before Nelson was really any good. Not to mention the fact that he was KO'd by Hasim Rahman too not long before the Wlad fight, I know Rahman could punch and if he caught you, you were gone (just ask Lennox) but he was too good for Sanders. For me with the shots Sanders took, todays Wlad could look really good against him and get a mid round KO!