Soldier butchered in street in Woolwich

[Beanz]

Miles,Kirkland,Lyle,Vendettos,IamInuit,Andre, etc. Who the hell made two British born people spokesmen for Iraqi or Afghan civilians ? By their actions they have shown a breathtaking arrogance, self righteousness and callous ignorance of anyone's suffering and took it upon themselves to be the very embodiment of evil. They should bear the responsibility for what they have done, not innocent Muslims or British Citizens. They wanted to butcher an unarmed man to death on the streets and in doing so should have forfeited any right to a voice. Trying to imply that their predictions of a war on British streets between scum like them and everybody else is imminent or in some way justifiable is playing right into their hands. They are a shitstain on the arsehole of history not a turning point or a call to arms. Common criminals,and murdering scum nothing more.

[El Kabong]

What. Are. You. Gibbering. About.

You invaded a country in Iraq based on a LIE (an obvious one) and I have ALWAYS attacked Obama's drone attacks. This is where it gets silly, I am the person that has attacked drones more than anyone else here and suddenly I am not doing it enough and of course you are on about Obama. Just nuts. You are trying to deflect, but are doing so in a way that is too obvious and weak.

If I kill someone then there should be a trial and everything should be laid open, you would much rather just kill someone and hide the body. It is just Goodfella's silliness. It is too easy to just kill and forget about a trial because there is often a lot more than meets the eye and only those avoiding something want to sweep things under a rug.

The Bin Laden murderer did it just how you liked. I'm surprised he doesn't get even the occasional pass from a right wing thug like yourself.

Saddam Hussein's Defiance of United Nations Resolutions

Saddam Hussein knowingly and repeatedly violated the law......oh I'm sorry what were you saying recently about the UN saying it was an "illegal" war?

The Bin Laden mission was done well.....would have rather he been taken alive and worked over for information, but whatever what's done is done.

Now Anwar Al Awlaki and his son being murdered is something that irks me because despite what a total shitbag that guy was he was an American citizen and we all have the right to a fair trial.

As for the murderers of that British soldier, shoot....them....dead.....they had weapons and were threatening war, shoot them....problem solved.

[Gandalf]

These are tired arguments Lyle. If we tried to apply the same sanctions on Israel as on Iraq they would have failed. Israel violates a lot more than Saddam and yet Israel gets saved with the veto every time. Saddam was a calculacted attempt to weaken and invade. Just daft arguments and every time wilfully ignorant of very easy comparables.

[Beanz]

This thread has f*** all to do with Israel.

[El Kabong]

These are tired arguments Lyle. If we tried to apply the same sanctions on Israel as on Iraq they would have failed. Israel violates a lot more than Saddam and yet Israel gets saved with the veto every time. Saddam was a calculacted attempt to weaken and invade. Just daft arguments and every time wilfully ignorant of very easy comparables.

Israel is surrounded by Arab & Persian states which wish to see it wiped off the map....they defend their territory. You're the daft one

[Gandalf]

This thread has f*** all to do with Israel.

Comparisons have to be used when discussing with Lyle as he runs all around the playground. Israel is very relevant to the deviating argument Lyle is making. Likewise, you can justify Palestinian resistance against the Israeli's, but to a lesser extent Muslims living in the UK. Again, it would have some grounds based on past grievances.

[Gandalf]

These are tired arguments Lyle. If we tried to apply the same sanctions on Israel as on Iraq they would have failed. Israel violates a lot more than Saddam and yet Israel gets saved with the veto every time. Saddam was a calculacted attempt to weaken and invade. Just daft arguments and every time wilfully ignorant of very easy comparables.

Israel is surrounded by Arab & Persian states which wish to see it wiped off the map....they defend their territory. You're the daft one

Trite, boring and predictable.

Israel is the known invader of several surrounding borders and is the leading terrorist threat in the region.

[El Kabong]

These are tired arguments Lyle. If we tried to apply the same sanctions on Israel as on Iraq they would have failed. Israel violates a lot more than Saddam and yet Israel gets saved with the veto every time. Saddam was a calculacted attempt to weaken and invade. Just daft arguments and every time wilfully ignorant of very easy comparables.

Israel is surrounded by Arab & Persian states which wish to see it wiped off the map....they defend their territory. You're the daft one

Trite, boring and predictable.

Israel is the known invader of several surrounding borders and is the leading terrorist threat in the region.

Yeah because you always hear so much about Israeli suicide bombers. Miles we get it, you're an anti-Semite.

Hey remember that time Israel flew planes into the WTC? Or that time when an Israeli National assassinated Benazir Bhutto and another assassinated Robert F. Kennedy. Oh or the planes the Israelis blew up or hijacked or the time when they killed all the Palestinian Olympians in Munich?

[TitoFan]

We don't have the death penalty in Britain.

Probably the root cause of your problems.

What a stupid thing to say. Do you really think that States and countries around the world that have the death penalty are free from murder ? Do you think having the death penalty in place would have stopped people blowing up a London Bus On which they sat? Do you really think that two guys callously and cowardly murdering an unarmed soldier or somebody stabbing an unarmed Grandad to death are the result of not having capital punishment ? What you are in effect arguing is that the guilt for these heinous acts somehow rests on the British people for abolishing hanging.

The death penalty is a deterrent, Sherlock.


de·ter·rent
/diˈtərənt/

Noun
A thing that discourages or is intended to discourage someone from some act.
Adjective
Able or intended to deter.




Note the word "discourages", instead of "eliminates."
Try to keep up, gramps.

[Beanz]

We don't have the death penalty in Britain.

Probably the root cause of your problems.

What a stupid thing to say. Do you really think that States and countries around the world that have the death penalty are free from murder ? Do you think having the death penalty in place would have stopped people blowing up a London Bus On which they sat? Do you really think that two guys callously and cowardly murdering an unarmed soldier or somebody stabbing an unarmed Grandad to death are the result of not having capital punishment ? What you are in effect arguing is that the guilt for these heinous acts somehow rests on the British people for abolishing hanging.

The death penalty is a deterrent, Sherlock.


de·ter·rent
/diˈtərənt/

Noun
A thing that discourages or is intended to discourage someone from some act.
Adjective
Able or intended to deter.




Note the word "discourages", instead of "eliminates."
Try to keep up, gramps.

It's not going to deter somebody who wishes to die as a martyr though is it ? Do you actually have to be so patronising in every single post that you have ever made since the day that you were born or will you not possibly concede that sometimes you may actually be able to learn something rather than demonstrate how far up the wall you can piss ?

We used to have the death penalty but we have not executed anyone since 1964.

[0james0]

There have been many occasions when I've thought the death penalty would be appropriate though.

[El Kabong]

If people want to die as martyrs we should oblige them.

How is it everyone else in the world seems to be able to get along with everyone else but the hardcore Muslims just don't want any part of it?

[imp]

If people want to die as martyrs we should oblige them.

How is it everyone else in the world seems to be able to get along with everyone else but the hardcore Muslims just don't want any part of it?

Sad but true.

The thing with religon is the interpretation of things.

Everyone on this forum could read the bible and interpret it a different way.

In the same way some seem to read the quran and interprete things that result in the things we see today.

Somewhere along the line someone is lying as no God would justify these actions.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

I'm NOT going to turn this into a gun control issue, but this is why people should be allowed to protect themselves at all times. It is a horrible tragedy and I hope those guilty of this crime are punished to the full extent of the law....they should hang those bastards and let their corpses rot from a yard arm the way they used to do with pirates!

he was run over, they then got out and hacked him. How would a gun have helped..

[Andre]

Miles,Kirkland,Lyle,Vendettos,IamInuit,Andre, etc. Who the hell made two British born people spokesmen for Iraqi or Afghan civilians ? By their actions they have shown a breathtaking arrogance, self righteousness and callous ignorance of anyone's suffering and took it upon themselves to be the very embodiment of evil. They should bear the responsibility for what they have done, not innocent Muslims or British Citizens. They wanted to butcher an unarmed man to death on the streets and in doing so should have forfeited any right to a voice. Trying to imply that their predictions of a war on British streets between scum like them and everybody else is imminent or in some way justifiable is playing right into their hands. They are a shitstain on the arsehole of history not a turning point or a call to arms. Common criminals,and murdering scum nothing more.

I agree mate and I have never said innocent Muslims need to bear the responsibility or pay for their actions that is taking what Im suggesting to an extreme and what you are trying to wage (peace for the innocent) to another.

What Im saying is they (the Muslims) need to address this problem themselves within their own Mosques. We cant do that legally.

Honestly Greenbeanz we all know exactly where this is being taught from dont we?

I think its time to nip it in the seed right where it is being placed into these young mens hearts and minds?

You know who put the idea in their heads and so do I.

They are who the Muslim community need to go after and they need to excommunicate them totally.

Then those types cant hide in between the innocent ones.