I really don't understand your points at all Sean.
First in relation to Kessler deserving credit for the Beryer win I DO give him credit. He completely took him apart and I rate Kessler very very highly. It's one thing to say a fighter is on the slide or is ready to be beat, it's another thing entirely to actually step up and do it. Kessler gets full marks for destroying Beyer the way he did, even though he was expected to do so.
This leads me on the next point. Why are haters so quick to label fighters as shot, as if they would be KO'd or beat down no matter who they were facing? This is simply not the case.
You say Eubank was shot, no he wasnt! Sure he was no longer in his fighting prime and no longer the same fighter that knocked out Nigel Benn, but he was a million miles away from being shot.
Please if he was so shot, tell me which fighters destroyed him to expose this? He lost back to back against Steve Collins, who whilst not the most technically gifted fighter was tough as nails and jumped on Eubank not giving him time to pose and posture. Collins would ALWAYS have been a nightmare opponent for Eubank. And remember that Collins took a short notice fight against Mike McCallum and went 12 rounds, this guy was tough and no mug. Losing two hard fought fights to Collins is no disgrace at all.
Then after the Calzaghe fight Eubank jumped TWO weight divisions to challenge for Carl Thompsons cruiserweight title. If you've ever watched those fights you'll know he was unlucky to lose the first fight, and that he put Thompson down and should have put him away but typical let him back into the fight as Eubank was often prone to do. As it was there were some who argued that Chris won the fight.
In the rematch Eubank was ahead on two judges cards and level on another before the fight was stopped due to bad swelling on his eye. He was on his way to winning that fight. And this was a prime Carl Thompson, not the ancient Carl Thompson that KO'd the world's greatest heavyweight hope David Haye
My point is that to label Eubank as shot is a complete injustice. He was a fantastic fighter, notoriously difficult to beat and even if he had to drop a lot of weight (like Toney did against Jones) and even if he wasn't in his absolute fighting prime he was still a major major major test for a young unproven Calzahge who had never fought anywhere near that class before.
It's seriously annoying when people just dismiss a great fighter as shot as if the win means nothing. Look at B Hop, people call him shot too, yet when has anyone EVER beaten him convincingly? He's not shot, he's still an incredibly difficult opponent to beat and is a great win on Calzaghe's resume.
Which brings us to Roy Jones. People are now dismissing him as shot as well again as if the win won't mean anything. But Jones is STILL a tremendously slick and difficult opponent. He suffered two devastating KO losses but Joe is NOT a big puncher like Tarver and Johnson and will be relying on outworking and outboxing Jones, a million miles away from an easy task.
If he beats Jones, even a 38 year old Jones it's STILL a huge win.
I havn't heard anyone write of Chad Dawson for almost losing to a 40 year old Glen Johnson and then beating a 40 year old 'shot' Tarver. It just does the fighter such a diservice. Dawson has a steller record beating 3 world champs now.
Finally onto James Toney. What does Toney have to do with Calzaghe? Why do you point out Toney's resume as if that proves Calzaghe is shit?
There are few fighters in the world who have a resume like James Toney, the guy is a legend, a real throwback, fought over 80 fights, there's simply nobody to compare him to in the modern era, certainly not in America. Julio Casear Chavez and Roberto Duran were the last fighters like Toney who fought virtually every month, took on all comers and had over 100 wins apiece. Nobody would dispute James Toney (actually on this site anything is possible) but just because he's an all time great doesn't mean Joe isn't a great fighter too.
It seems people get almost irrational when they talk about Calzaghe, discrediting every victory, even calling him shit because of the fights that DIDN'T happen
He's beaten every man he's ever faced. He's the second longest reigning champ of all time. He completely unified the super middleweight division, the first person ever to do so. He's the Rings official greatest supermiddleweight of all time.
If he was a Mexican flyweight everyone would love him and say he's awesome but because he's Welsh and a British fighter everyone hates him, even a bunch of unpatriotic Brits who typically like to run down their best talents![]()
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