Looks like Hatton- Paquiao is off

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If they wont fight each other, Hatton should get Marquez, the person who gave Pacquiao his his last hardest fight and should have got the nod, hes a class name that will be as much recognised by the the general sports fan in the UK as Pacquiao.

People forget just how unknown Pacquiao is to everyone else other than Philipinos, boxing fans and mexicans

As for Manny, Hatton is a massive name and has a masive following, hes not gonna find a bigger match up any where, Hattons fans will make any match up big!!

manny needs to get back down to lightweight as the pressure will be too great for him not to face Hatton and goes to prove Roach knew that Oscar would just be dead at the weight.

I think its a bit harsh calling Manny unknown. I'd say just as many people here in oz would have heard of Manny as of Hatton, particularly after the ODLH fight, and that is even after HAtton beat the biggest name in oz boxing.

I cant speak for the USA but i'd say Manny has a big following there too. Hatton benefits because ppl in Britain are more willing to pay money to watch their star sportsmen, they are good fans like that. Philipinos are less likely to ravel or buy PPV's i guess.

[Boom Boom]

Wow, im very surprised at Pacman. Hes always seemed like a fair guy who wants to give the fans the best possible fight. Even Arum said it is bizzare that he turned down the money offer. Ive always like Pac, but if he really believes he is worth more than Hatton, hes mistaken. Hes not even the champion! Hattons 52-48 offer is more than generous. Manny will ends up making less than the 52% he would fighting Hatton, fighting anyone else other then Mayweather.

[Violent Demise]

As far as who brings the revenue to the fight Hatton probably brings more than Manny. Manny beating Oscar only makes him a draw with hardcore boxing fans. Put him in a PPV where his opponent isn't either American or Latino and how many buys will he sell? Hatton brings up to $30 million to the promotion just from UK TV PPV buys. That's the equivalent of 600 000 US PPV buys. Manny isn't worth 600 000 more PPV buys than Hatton to the promotion and Manny's domestic TV revenue would bring in the region of $50 000. He'll earn only a fraction of what he could make fighting Hatton for his next fight while Hatton will make ten million plus fighting somebody at Wembley. Manny bottled it.

(Or at least he may well agree in a day or a week. IIRC the Oscar negotiations went on for a couple of months and it was on again off again till they finally agreed. He already got Hatton down to 53-47, maybe it ends up 55-45. But if there's no agreement, because Manny is turning down a payday far in excess of anything else he can make fighting somebody else, he's clearly bottling the fight.)

If the fight happens it happens in the US. Not the UK. Ever since the Calzaghe-Kessler debacle (lowest HBO ratings ever) HBO has pretty much stop giving a fukk about other countries. They've done the smart thing and gone back to simply worrying about the US. And in the US Pac easily trumps Hatton. Why you think Pac-David Diaz was on PPV and Hatton-Lazcano was on the Vesus channel? Pac has an audience here. Hatton doesn't.

Facts are Hatton needs Pac more than Pac needs him. Especally status wise. Pac can fight Marquez for the 3rd time. Or take on Valero or Campbell. Maybe get Mayweather out of retirement. Hell he's even talking stupid about facing Margarito. All them fights elevate his staus. What's Hatton going to do? Keep ruling a weak 140 division. Wins over Holt or Bradley would be nice. But do little. Marquez maybe. But Marquez wants Pac more than anything. A Mayweather rematch is a no sell without Hatton beating Pac first. And he won't go back to 147. So what's he going to do? He should take the 40% and make the fight. That 40% is still worth millions. So it's not like he's not going to eat.

Fighting the man at 140 legitimizes Pac, he skipped over that division to fight an old dried up Delahoya, which pales in comparison to fighting and beating Hatton.

Pac is scared and everyone knows it

A fight Hatton turned down cuz of fear.

[DatsiK]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q6zgGxPARw


Pretty much confirms it.. and sheds some light on the next move for Ricky (JMM/Diaz, Mayweather or DLH).. whatever happens I just hope it isn't DLH.. in terms of 'going forward' for Hatton this fight would do nothing for his status.

[Boom Boom]

Oscar is losing his grip on reality if he really wants to fight Ricky. I feel bad for him. He has to except that his days as the Golden Boy in the ring are over, as hard as it is to do. Especially if he wants him at 147. As for Hatton, if Pac wants to deprive the fans of a fight, id be happy to see Hatton fight the winner of JMM-Diaz.

[Diane]

Well, I don't care who gets what percentage, I just think that Manny fuked up on this one. Manny has the wrong people talking in his ear, and I bet those same people will continue to take advantage of Manny, and he'll end up penniless somewhere down the road.

Manny is probably going to have to fight three times, to get the money he would get in this one fight.

[JT Rock]

If the fight happens it happens in the US. Not the UK. Ever since the Calzaghe-Kessler debacle (lowest HBO ratings ever) HBO has pretty much stop giving a fukk about other countries. They've done the smart thing and gone back to simply worrying about the US. And in the US Pac easily trumps Hatton. Why you think Pac-David Diaz was on PPV and Hatton-Lazcano was on the Vesus channel? Pac has an audience here. Hatton doesn't.

Facts are Hatton needs Pac more than Pac needs him. Especally status wise. Pac can fight Marquez for the 3rd time. Or take on Valero or Campbell. Maybe get Mayweather out of retirement. Hell he's even talking stupid about facing Margarito. All them fights elevate his staus. What's Hatton going to do? Keep ruling a weak 140 division. Wins over Holt or Bradley would be nice. But do little. Marquez maybe. But Marquez wants Pac more than anything. A Mayweather rematch is a no sell without Hatton beating Pac first. And he won't go back to 147. So what's he going to do? He should take the 40% and make the fight. That 40% is still worth millions. So it's not like he's not going to eat.

Fighting the man at 140 legitimizes Pac, he skipped over that division to fight an old dried up Delahoya, which pales in comparison to fighting and beating Hatton.

Pac is scared and everyone knows it

A fight Hatton turned down cuz of fear.

Yea but that really has no bearing in this instance, Pac is scared to fight Hatton.. he has the chance to fight Ricky for Mondo$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and for the the Ring title at 140

[ClubberLang]

Absolute, sheer stupidity by Paquiao and his team. Hatton generates more money than Pac based on his UK pay-per-view sales and therefore deserved the lions share of the money, yet Hatton's team was going to give Pac an undeserved higher percentage of the take and they still would not budge. Sheer insanity. Pac won't make a fraction of the Hatton purse for any other fight sans Mayweather. Just dumb.

[CGM]

Absolute, sheer stupidity by Paquiao and his team. Hatton generates more money than Pac based on his UK pay-per-view sales and therefore deserved the lions share of the money, yet Hatton's team was going to give Pac an undeserved higher percentage of the take and they still would not budge. Sheer insanity. Pac won't make a fraction of the Hatton purse for any other fight sans Mayweather. Just dumb.

Maybe, maybe not. Sure the UK ppv sales are mostly Hatton fans, but It's the fact that Hatton is fighting the #1 p4p that really draws the big sales, wouldn't you say? Maybe compare the potential ppv sales to that of Hatton-Maglianaggi or Hatton Lazcano, then ask yourself whether the UK ppv sales is all because of Hatton.

[ClubberLang]

Absolute, sheer stupidity by Paquiao and his team. Hatton generates more money than Pac based on his UK pay-per-view sales and therefore deserved the lions share of the money, yet Hatton's team was going to give Pac an undeserved higher percentage of the take and they still would not budge. Sheer insanity. Pac won't make a fraction of the Hatton purse for any other fight sans Mayweather. Just dumb.

Maybe, maybe not. Sure the UK ppv sales are mostly Hatton fans, but It's the fact that Hatton is fighting the #1 p4p that really draws the big sales, wouldn't you say? Maybe compare the potential ppv sales to that of Hatton-Maglianaggi or Hatton Lazcano, then ask yourself whether the UK ppv sales is all because of Hatton.

No, based on a sheer numbers basis Hatton factually generates more money than Pac. The Phillipines is a poor area and does not generate high PPV sales. UK fans, on the other hand, generate massive PPV sales.

[CGM]

Absolute, sheer stupidity by Paquiao and his team. Hatton generates more money than Pac based on his UK pay-per-view sales and therefore deserved the lions share of the money, yet Hatton's team was going to give Pac an undeserved higher percentage of the take and they still would not budge. Sheer insanity. Pac won't make a fraction of the Hatton purse for any other fight sans Mayweather. Just dumb.

Maybe, maybe not. Sure the UK ppv sales are mostly Hatton fans, but It's the fact that Hatton is fighting the #1 p4p that really draws the big sales, wouldn't you say? Maybe compare the potential ppv sales to that of Hatton-Maglianaggi or Hatton Lazcano, then ask yourself whether the UK ppv sales is all because of Hatton.

No, based on a sheer numbers basis Hatton factually generates more money than Pac. The Phillipines is a poor area and does not generate high PPV sales. UK fans, on the other hand, generate massive PPV sales.

I'm not sure you get my point. Just because it's a UK ppv buy, doesn't mean Hatton gets all the credit for the sale. It's because Hatton is fighting the #1 guy that the sales will be so big. Unless you think the UK buyers don't really care who Hatton is fighting.

[ClubberLang]

Maybe, maybe not. Sure the UK ppv sales are mostly Hatton fans, but It's the fact that Hatton is fighting the #1 p4p that really draws the big sales, wouldn't you say? Maybe compare the potential ppv sales to that of Hatton-Maglianaggi or Hatton Lazcano, then ask yourself whether the UK ppv sales is all because of Hatton.

No, based on a sheer numbers basis Hatton factually generates more money than Pac. The Phillipines is a poor area and does not generate high PPV sales. UK fans, on the other hand, generate massive PPV sales.

I'm not sure you get my point. Just because it's a UK ppv buy, doesn't mean Hatton gets all the credit for the sale. It's because Hatton is fighting the #1 guy that the sales will be so big. Unless you think the UK buyers don't really care who Hatton is fighting.

Certainly, the opponent factors in. But Hatton generate huge revenue regardless of his opponent. I am sure you saw the crowd for the Lazcano charade? Pac couldn't do that in the Philippines simply due to the economic situation. It's a poor country. Pac may be equal or above Hatton just on pure "the love" factor, but in terms of real dollars Hatton is way beyond Pacman.

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No, based on a sheer numbers basis Hatton factually generates more money than Pac. The Phillipines is a poor area and does not generate high PPV sales. UK fans, on the other hand, generate massive PPV sales.

I'm not sure you get my point. Just because it's a UK ppv buy, doesn't mean Hatton gets all the credit for the sale. It's because Hatton is fighting the #1 guy that the sales will be so big. Unless you think the UK buyers don't really care who Hatton is fighting.

Certainly, the opponent factors in. But Hatton generate huge revenue regardless of his opponent. I am sure you saw the crowd for the Lazcano charade? Pac couldn't do that in the Philippines simply due to the economic situation. It's a poor country. Pac may be equal or above Hatton just on pure "the love" factor, but in terms of real dollars Hatton is way beyond Pacman.

OK fine, we agree the opponent (PAC) has a bearing on amount of UK ppv buys, how much of a difference, we don't really know at this point.

forget about live gate at Manchester Stadium. I'm sure PAC could sell a stadium in Philipines also. Not useful for comparison.

Obviously we don't know what the ppv buys for PAC will be. I'd be interested in a comparioson of ppv buys in UK between say, Mayweather compared to Lazcano, or Maglianni. I suppose the PAC differential wouldn't be a lot different than the Mayweather differential.

[josef4334]

Pac refusing 50-50 is his way of not wanting the fight. Fukk him.

Hatton pushing for 50-50 knowing he doesn't deserve it is his way of not wanting the fight. Fukk him

Fukk them both.

According to the article linked earlier, Hatton had gone down to a 53-47 split for Manny, & Manny still wasnt havin it

I ain't no fan of Pac. I recognize his greatness. But I'm far from a fan. I ain't no fan of Hatton either. I recognize his....his. He's got titles. I acknowledge that. But not a fan. Both these fighters have huge groupie fan clubs that rush to there defense at any posts not calling them master. All that blind lust leads to finger pointing. Neither side is capable of seeing the truth. When your on the outside looking in the truth is plain and simple.

Hatton should take his 40% and shut the fukk up. Cuz really that 40% is still to high. This fight should really be 70-30 for Pac. For one reason. And one reason only. He beat Oscar. Yes Oscar was shot. Beyound shot. But Pac still fought him and beat him. Hatton didn't. Hatton was offered the Oscar fight. But like a biitch he said no. He turned from white to yellow. If he would of took the fight and won he would be in the driver seat calling the shots. He could dictate his terms to anybody. Including Mayweather. But no. The thought of him flying into the ring post in back to back fights was haunting his dreams. So he turned the fight down. Like a biitch. Now shut the fukk up and take your 40% and be graceful your even getting that.

this is gonna feel awkward coz im agreeing with VD for the first time but he is right. hatton had his chance to fight oscar and he didnt. manny took the fight with a 68-32 split or somthing like that and he won the fight. now its manny's time to negotiate for a bigger split. disregard the hardcore boxing fans and followers of both men and talk to casual boxing fans and ask them who is pacman and who is hatton. most of them will tell you hatton was the man who pbf knocked out and pac is the man who beat the bigger odlh. and then ask yourselves which fighter made them buy a ppv fight?

[Violent Demise]

Fighting the man at 140 legitimizes Pac, he skipped over that division to fight an old dried up Delahoya, which pales in comparison to fighting and beating Hatton.

Pac is scared and everyone knows it

A fight Hatton turned down cuz of fear.

Yea but that really has no bearing in this instance, Pac is scared to fight Hatton.. he has the chance to fight Ricky for Mondo$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and for the the Ring title at 140

Mainstream it does. If Pac wants to be a biitch by pushing the 50-50 (or whatever he's asking) than let him. Fukk it. He beat Oscar. He's hot right now. Hatton is not. Hatton needs to realize that. Take the 40% and go beat his ass. That 40% is still worth Mondo$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. So he takes home 8 million (example only) instead of 12 million. Damn! Poor guy. Stop playing this "I can be a bigger biitch than you" game with Pac and make the fight.

I don't the doubt the yellow in Pac is coming out. Cuz it clearly is. But shiit goes both ways. Maybe Hatton ain't all that confidence he can win. That's why he ain't budging. If he's going to lose might as well get top money out of it. If he doesn't he'll just walk away. Walking away from millions