Valuev Won That Fight!

[El Kabong]

We'll see, I bet you said the same shit about Sanders and co.

"Sanders and co." are erroneous, they won't be able to help David Haye if he choses to actually fight Wladimir.

Write it down, take a picture, whatever....WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO WILL KNOCK OUT DAVID HAYE

[AdamGB]

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you haven't seen any Haye fights other than his last two.

The circumstances made him so negative... you'd have to be pretty dumb not to know he normally has an aggressive style.

Don't worry either Lyle, the pre fight hype didn't just get to you... Valuev obviously wasn't prepared to chase haye so he must have been a sucker and bought in to it too.

I'll say it again: what was Dirrells excuse for spending the majority of his fight boxing negativly against a man the same size as he?

It's ludicrous to try and compare the two performances, which is obviously the tree Amat is barking up.

Haye just nicked his fight and it made every bit of sense to box cautiously.
Dirrell just nicked his fight but there was no excuse for being so negative and bitching so much.

Also what do you mean Valuev was 'there for the taking'? I thought you weren't sold on Haye's power at heavy weight or his ability to stand in front of a big man?

So now you think he had those attributes he was just too afraid to use them? that seems like a bit of a U-Turn if you ask me.

What was Haye's excuse for NOT throwing punches? I hear a lot of complaining about the biitching Dirrell was doing and that's valid he was being a whiny Biitch, but he was throwing and landing at least 3 times was Haye was.

Froch isn't exactly known for his water tight defensive, he's there to be found.

Valuev's size alone means that with his guard tucked in and standing in the right position he's able to cover his chin, most of his body and the height of his shoulders mean that you can't get shots around his guard so the fact is he's not as easy to find so Haye's not going to through punches at targets that aren't there.

Keeping a jab going to keep Valuev (had he not been SEVEN FOOT TWO! ) away would of made Haye seem busier... but you obviously don't do that against a guy who's reach is so much bigger than yours... it would be pointless.

I have the fight d/l I'll cut some footage of a number of times Valuev's shoulders blocked punches just by virtue of being there.

The fight was abysmal but it's just silly comparing it to Dirrell-Froch but Amat is still hurt over it.

[CFH]

We'll see, I bet you said the same shit about Sanders and co.

"Sanders and co." are erroneous, they won't be able to help David Haye if he choses to actually fight Wladimir.

Write it down, take a picture, whatever....WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO WILL KNOCK OUT DAVID HAYE

Honestly, unless Haye gets a massive following I doubt they ever fight after what happened last time.

I thought Haye showed some things in the Valuev fight that might trouble Wlad.

[skel1983]

We'll see, I bet you said the same shit about Sanders and co.

"Sanders and co." are erroneous, they won't be able to help David Haye if he choses to actually fight Wladimir.

Write it down, take a picture, whatever....WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO WILL KNOCK OUT DAVID HAYE

Honestly, unless Haye gets a massive following I doubt they ever fight after what happened last time.

I thought Haye showed some things in the Valuev fight that might trouble Wlad.

I think the fight is a certainty to happen well maybe not wlad but one of the brothers, Haye has a big ppv audience behind him in the uk now, he is now well known in Germany and HBO will be behind Haye/ one of the klits, I think it has to happen it makes financial sense.

[El Kabong]

I thought Haye showed some things in the Valuev fight that might trouble Wlad.

....for example

[rjj tszyu]

I thought Haye showed some things in the Valuev fight that might trouble Wlad.

....for example

Look straight up at Skel's sig. Thats one thing.

[El Kabong]

I thought Haye showed some things in the Valuev fight that might trouble Wlad.

....for example

Look straight up at Skel's sig. Thats one thing.

He won't get that close to Wladimir with his hands free....FACT

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Because Wlad will Spoil.

[JT Rock]

This was a GREAT thread. Well designed, well executed. I almost gave Amat rep.

Why's that?

Because its a total piss take from the dirrell froch fight

[rjj tszyu]

....for example

Look straight up at Skel's sig. Thats one thing.

He won't get that close to Wladimir with his hands free....FACT

Time will tell my friend, time will tell.

[CFH]

I thought Haye showed some things in the Valuev fight that might trouble Wlad.

....for example

He showed good reflexes and movement and was able to dart in and score against a much bigger, albeit lumbering, opponent. He also seemed to have carried his power up to HW. If he can keep Wlad moving and not let him get set (easier said than done) and manage to dart in and out of range to land his punches he has a shot against him. I'd still heavily favor Wlad but it is by no means a foregone conclusion, I think Haye would make things very uncomfortable for Wlad, like Emmanuel Steward said, Haye would force him to fight.

[JazMerkin]

Great thread by Amat, although I have to say when I first read it I missed the point & was planning to call him a hypocrite until my headache from catching too many left hands in sparring subsided.

Anyway, I can't see how anyone could justify last night's win for Haye & not Dirrell's against Froch or vice-versa. While Dirrell pissed about complaining, he had a far better punch output. The size of Valuev is no excuse, that's the issue with the HW division, any man above is in your weightclass. I thought Haye took it 116-113, was an awful fight but glad to see my boxing club get our first HW Champ

Haye fought a very good tactical fight & in that 12th showed he has serious power, but must glad he was in Nuremburg & not Nottingham

End of the day, Haye won, but he had no worries on the cards because Sauerland & Don King know who is worth more money to them in the future (Sauerland have some options on Haye for definite). I thought it was pretty fairly judged. Hopefully Haye now gets rid of the quietman & sets up a clash with a Klit (no pun intended).

[WelshDevilRob]

....for example

Look straight up at Skel's sig. Thats one thing.

He won't get that close to Wladimir with his hands free....FACT

That's not a FACT, Lyle. That's just an opinion.

[WelshDevilRob]

Great thread by Amat, although I have to say when I first read it I missed the point & was planning to call him a hypocrite until my headache from catching too many left hands in sparring subsided.

Anyway, I can't see how anyone could justify last night's win for Haye & not Dirrell's against Froch or vice-versa. While Dirrell pissed about complaining, he had a far better punch output. The size of Valuev is no excuse, that's the issue with the HW division, any man above is in your weightclass. I thought Haye took it 116-113, was an awful fight but glad to see my boxing club get our first HW Champ

Haye fought a very good tactical fight & in that 12th showed he has serious power, but must glad he was in Nuremburg & not Nottingham

End of the day, Haye won, but he had no worries on the cards because Sauerland & Don King know who is worth more money to them in the future (Sauerland have some options on Haye for definite). I thought it was pretty fairly judged. Hopefully Haye now gets rid of the quietman & sets up a clash with a Klit (no pun intended).

I scored the fight for Haye but not for Dirrell. Tough one and I've seen the comparisons on many sites.

The main differences seem to be that Haye didn't spend his time diving on the floor, holding on for dear life, getting a point deducted and complaining to the referee. Froch closed the gap (sometimes) where as Valuev couldn't.

Was Haye running? He moved when he needed too but that is not running. His eyes were constantly focused on the prize and his upper body movement was key to evading shots - he also was setting his feet to throw shots - Dirrell was just running.

As for your hint that the fight was fixed. Well the press conferences in London didn't have Team Sauerland there or Don King but Goldenboy Promotions. While Sauerland will have some say in his next fight it is Goldenboy who are in control - not King.

And King has never given away control of a Heavyweight belt. He maybe getting old but he is not about to change the habits of a lifetime.

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

Although i felt the giant edged it. I have no problem with the punches haye did throw. They were very accurate and hard. The problem i have is when he only landed maybe 8 punches a round and people want to give him rounds. Valuev landed more than haye, but what comes around goes around, valuev has won fights he didn't deserve too.