KLITSCHKO vs CHAGAEV

[Violent Demise]

Learn to read between the lines. He listed them as if they contributed to his losses.

I'm not in the habbit of putting words or anything else for that matter into guy's mouths vd

Of course not. There usually putting it in yours

Lesner a former pro wrestler became champ in what his 3rd or 4th fight? That pretty much says it all about the crap otherwise known as UFC

Yup... I remember when Kimbo Slice got beat the commentators were going wild about it as if Buster Douglas had just Dethroned Tyson all over again... The guy is an aging back yard boxer who'd had like 2 fights or something... what a joke.

Exactly. And where is Slice now? Trying out for the UFC.

[leftylee]

He's a talented fighter but he sure as hell doesn't fight like a champ... I don't like fighters to just brawl but come on...

Tyson was more than just a brawler (early on anyway) and I wouldn't say that his opposition was much better than Wlad's... Wlad uses his superior size to basically fence with people until throwing out a cautious (if hard) right hand... Tyson wouldn't let them breath... they were inferior fighters to Tyson but the manor he dispatched of them is why Tyson is and would have still been a bigger name than Brock fucking Lesnar and why nobody really gives a damn about Wlad.

Yes dominating wins are not what champions do.

You know what lefty I hope your right. It would be great to see a fresh face in the heavyweights making waves. But I just do not think its going to be Haye unless he pulls a Sanders and goes for broke looking for the ko early. There is no way Haye is going to outbox either 1 of the Klitschkos. Haye should go after Valuev 1st.

Haye has even stated that is his plan numerous times. Haye doesn't mess around in there, he's in and out. He'll be looking to KO Wlad early and when he lands the monster Hayemaker shot its lights out for Bitchsko.

They all have a plan. Once that hammer jab hits them flush it usually changes.

Thing is though Haye has speed. He will move around the ring and not just stand there like most frauds against Wlad do. He will make Wlad think. You can't tell me Haye won't be able to land, cuz sooner or later he will.

[AdamGB]

He's a talented fighter but he sure as hell doesn't fight like a champ... I don't like fighters to just brawl but come on...

Tyson was more than just a brawler (early on anyway) and I wouldn't say that his opposition was much better than Wlad's... Wlad uses his superior size to basically fence with people until throwing out a cautious (if hard) right hand... Tyson wouldn't let them breath... they were inferior fighters to Tyson but the manor he dispatched of them is why Tyson is and would have still been a bigger name than Brock fucking Lesnar and why nobody really gives a damn about Wlad.

Yes dominating wins are not what champions do.

A true champ doesn't neglect to use his attributes to their fullest and win a safe and clean fight... they dominate and excite.

For somebody who just told me to read between the lines it's funny how you will look at things in black and white when it suits you.

So he can either win clean or win close? the manner in which he does it in means nothing to fans, casual and hardcore a like? Where are the shades of grey.

Like I said there's a reason that his Aura as a champ is none existant compared to a guy like Tyson or Jones.

[AdamGB]

Good thing for Wlad he rarely throws the left.

I don't consider his jab a left hand. He uses it as a range finder most of the time.

They all have a plan. Once that hammer jab hits them flush it usually changes.

0_o

[Mr140]

Well think people are being harsh on the guy hes no Tyson, Ali or Holyfeild. But he is so effective that people pretty much cant touch him. I think Haye like Hatton will fail when he fights the tops guys because like Mayweather people hate Wald so much they think anyone can beat him. I dont like Wald that much but he wins ever time and we have a champion. Hes not a like a said before a Tyson, Ali or Holyfeild but hes not that bad i mean he clearing the division up not much else you can ask right.

[Violent Demise]

he never said that they were major factors in the fight, just that counters were landed at some point.

Learn to read between the lines. He listed them as if they contributed to his losses.

lol, no I never watched the fights. blah, let me ask you this are you really happy with Wlad spearheading your favorite sport? I mean a Kids entertainer Brock Lesner is champ of UFC and is a much bigger name worldwide than Wlad. Wlad is a gentleman and a nice guy but he is really stopping the sport from having any cross over success in the heavyweight division.

So now it's Wlad fault his opponents can't beat him? Gimmie a fukking break. Wlad is what he is. Accept it.

Lesner a former pro wrestler became champ in what his 3rd or 4th fight? That pretty much says it all about the crap otherwise known as UFC

Ok mate don't swear relax! it's not that serious , listen you blatently let your hate for any thing British affect your opinion of fights so why am I discussing this with you? you are not really looking at it with any common sense. Wlad is a terrible champ for a sport that is supposed to be primarily entertaining. ANd what I watched to night was not entertainment. Lesner (No I do not watch UFC) is entertaining and that is why he was given a shot and is now champ.

Wlad is not responsible for his opponents being unable to beat him. But it's clear that as regular as Wlad uses that jab someone fast enough (Not many heavyweights) will counter it and make him pay.

Has Wlad ever fought anyone as fast as Haye?

No he hasn't. But it don't matter. For all his speed, Haye ain't exactly to hard to hit. Haye got away with his style of fighting before cuz he was fighting fighters his own size or smaller. Against Wlad that style is sucide.

Question for you. Has Haye ever faced someone as strong as Wlad?

[amat]

he never said that they were major factors in the fight, just that counters were landed at some point.

Learn to read between the lines. He listed them as if they contributed to his losses.

lol, no I never watched the fights. blah, let me ask you this are you really happy with Wlad spearheading your favorite sport? I mean a Kids entertainer Brock Lesner is champ of UFC and is a much bigger name worldwide than Wlad. Wlad is a gentleman and a nice guy but he is really stopping the sport from having any cross over success in the heavyweight division.

So now it's Wlad fault his opponents can't beat him? Gimmie a fukking break. Wlad is what he is. Accept it.

Lesner a former pro wrestler became champ in what his 3rd or 4th fight? That pretty much says it all about the crap otherwise known as UFC

Ok mate don't swear relax! it's not that serious , listen you blatently let your hate for any thing British affect your opinion of fights so why am I discussing this with you? you are not really looking at it with any common sense. Wlad is a terrible champ for a sport that is supposed to be primarily entertaining. ANd what I watched to night was not entertainment. Lesner (No I do not watch UFC) is entertaining and that is why he was given a shot and is now champ.

Wlad is not responsible for his opponents being unable to beat him. But it's clear that as regular as Wlad uses that jab someone fast enough (Not many heavyweights) will counter it and make him pay.

Has Wlad ever fought anyone as fast as Haye?

It's not as simple as that, it's going to take a lot more then just someone who is fast to counter Wlad's jab. I don't even think that's the way to go, counterpunching because one, it's tough to beat him to the punch with that jab of his and because he controls distance so well. Plus he has many different types of jabs that he uses and he was even feinting Chagaev open and countering with a stiff jab, great stuff. I think Haye has a chance to beat Wlad because he is fast and maybe he can close that distance quicker then the rest and he won't be afraid to open up from the outside. Still, Wlad looked to be the real deal tonight on 2 punches even though he was cautious, cautious wins sometimes and it's possible that Klitschko needs that caution.

[AdamGB]

I think he's very hard to beat...
The reason why people think anybody could have beaten him is because he is plays it very safe with guys he could easily put away.

[LEGION]

He's a talented fighter but he sure as hell doesn't fight like a champ... I don't like fighters to just brawl but come on...

Tyson was more than just a brawler (early on anyway) and I wouldn't say that his opposition was much better than Wlad's... Wlad uses his superior size to basically fence with people until throwing out a cautious (if hard) right hand... Tyson wouldn't let them breath... they were inferior fighters to Tyson but the manor he dispatched of them is why Tyson is and would have still been a bigger name than Brock fucking Lesnar and why nobody really gives a damn about Wlad.

Yes dominating wins are not what champions do.

Haye has even stated that is his plan numerous times. Haye doesn't mess around in there, he's in and out. He'll be looking to KO Wlad early and when he lands the monster Hayemaker shot its lights out for Bitchsko.

They all have a plan. Once that hammer jab hits them flush it usually changes.

Thing is though Haye has speed. He will move around the ring and not just stand there like most frauds against Wlad do. He will make Wlad think. You can't tell me Haye won't be able to land, cuz sooner or later he will.

For Haye's sake I'd think it would need to be sooner.

My main problem with Wlad is his propensity to get stuck in the same repetitive patterns, and his lack of killer instinct, and knowing how to finish a fight.

Now as has been stated, it's not his fault his opponents can't beat him; but he doesn't seem to evolve, imo, fight after fight. That jab he has, when used as a jab and not a lion cub pawing, is a beautiful thing and powerful. But fortunately for him no one is talented enough to go over that paw and make him pay.

It's just frustrating to see him do the same things over and over and no one can seem to learn how to deal with it after so long; though why fix something if it ain't broke I guess one could say.

He just comes across, to me, as someone who is scared. I hate saying this, it's so cliche, but he would have gotten buried by the 80's-90's heavies. I'm not saying I want to see him get beat; I like him, but I like to see a little more heart in there. That's why I always liked VItali better.

With that said he still gets the wins.

[Violent Demise]

He's a talented fighter but he sure as hell doesn't fight like a champ... I don't like fighters to just brawl but come on...

Tyson was more than just a brawler (early on anyway) and I wouldn't say that his opposition was much better than Wlad's... Wlad uses his superior size to basically fence with people until throwing out a cautious (if hard) right hand... Tyson wouldn't let them breath... they were inferior fighters to Tyson but the manor he dispatched of them is why Tyson is and would have still been a bigger name than Brock fucking Lesnar and why nobody really gives a damn about Wlad.

Yes dominating wins are not what champions do.

A true champ doesn't neglect to use his attributes to their fullest and win a safe and clean fight... they dominate and excite.

For somebody who just told me to read between the lines it's funny how you will look at things in black and white when it suits you.

So he can either win clean or win close? the manner in which he does it in means nothing to fans, casual and hardcore a like? Where are the shades of grey.

Like I said there's a reason that his Aura as a champ is none existant compared to a guy like Tyson or Jones.

Because anybody can be Tyson or Jones if they really wanted to right? Jesus christ. LOL. Those guys come around once in a lifetime. Wlad couldn't be them no matter how many risks he takes

[AdamGB]

Fuck... this is what I get for trying to use the manner of Tyson and Jone's devastating victories against inferior opposition as an example of what is does to a champions aura and to explain why Wlad should and could be doing the same against equally inferior opposition.

I wasn't fucking comparing him directly to Tyson or Jones you complete moron.

Simply situations and outcomes.

It's my fault I suppose, I've tried using comparative examples with you a few times now and I need to get it that you're too slow to keep up.

[piye]

Learn to read between the lines. He listed them as if they contributed to his losses.



So now it's Wlad fault his opponents can't beat him? Gimmie a fukking break. Wlad is what he is. Accept it.

Lesner a former pro wrestler became champ in what his 3rd or 4th fight? That pretty much says it all about the crap otherwise known as UFC

Ok mate don't swear relax! it's not that serious , listen you blatently let your hate for any thing British affect your opinion of fights so why am I discussing this with you? you are not really looking at it with any common sense. Wlad is a terrible champ for a sport that is supposed to be primarily entertaining. ANd what I watched to night was not entertainment. Lesner (No I do not watch UFC) is entertaining and that is why he was given a shot and is now champ.

Wlad is not responsible for his opponents being unable to beat him. But it's clear that as regular as Wlad uses that jab someone fast enough (Not many heavyweights) will counter it and make him pay.

Has Wlad ever fought anyone as fast as Haye?

No he hasn't. But it don't matter. For all his speed, Haye ain't exactly to hard to hit. Haye got away with his style of fighting before cuz he was fighting fighters his own size or smaller. Against Wlad that style is sucide.

Question for you. Has Haye ever faced someone as strong as Wlad?

No but I'm not saying Wlad has no chance in fact I'd favor him but Haye has more of a shot than everyone he's fought recently.

[mofo2]

Wlad is so one dimensional that any worthy opponent will work him out in 5 seconds..Jab right jab right jab right!!

Haye will box his fucking head off undoubtedly...he has the speed the intelligence,the versatility and the ability to be able to disguise his punches!!

And before anyone mentions his Chin...well Wlad has managed alright in a shit division with his

[Hunter]

He's a talented fighter but he sure as hell doesn't fight like a champ... I don't like fighters to just brawl but come on...

Tyson was more than just a brawler (early on anyway) and I wouldn't say that his opposition was much better than Wlad's... Wlad uses his superior size to basically fence with people until throwing out a cautious (if hard) right hand... Tyson wouldn't let them breath... they were inferior fighters to Tyson but the manor he dispatched of them is why Tyson is and would have still been a bigger name than Brock fucking Lesnar and why nobody really gives a damn about Wlad.

Yes dominating wins are not what champions do.

Haye has even stated that is his plan numerous times. Haye doesn't mess around in there, he's in and out. He'll be looking to KO Wlad early and when he lands the monster Hayemaker shot its lights out for Bitchsko.

They all have a plan. Once that hammer jab hits them flush it usually changes.

Thing is though Haye has speed. He will move around the ring and not just stand there like most frauds against Wlad do. He will make Wlad think. You can't tell me Haye won't be able to land, cuz sooner or later he will.

You just dont get it, I dont care how fast Haye is, Wlad is a master at using his height, the ring, and the left jab to stop people in their tracks. Wlad has fought fast fighters and he totally negates the advantage. Wlad has lightening quick reflexes. When Haye shoots in he is going to be met with a STIFF jab and either a hook off the jab or a straight right....Eventually it will be lights out for Haye.....

Haye is lucky he supposedly hurt himself (Wald still hasnt received any medical report), cause Wlad looked so relaxed in there they would have been taking Haye out on a stretcher.....

[leftylee]

Yes dominating wins are not what champions do.




They all have a plan. Once that hammer jab hits them flush it usually changes.

Thing is though Haye has speed. He will move around the ring and not just stand there like most frauds against Wlad do. He will make Wlad think. You can't tell me Haye won't be able to land, cuz sooner or later he will.

You just dont get it, I dont care how fast Haye is, Wlad is a master at using his height, the ring, and the left jab to stop people in their tracks. Wlad has fought fast fighters and he totally negates the advantage. Wlad has lightening quick reflexes. When Haye shoots in he is going to be met with a STIFF jab and either a hook off the jab or a straight right....Eventually it will be lights out for Haye.....

Haye is lucky he supposedly hurt himself (Wald still hasnt received any medical report), cause Wlad looked so relaxed in there they would have been taking Haye out on a stretcher.....

We'll soon see when the fight happens.