Last edited by Primo Carnera; 04-11-2016 at 03:15 AM.
That's a bit of a dopey argument. Marquez may not be a natural WW, but he's still better at the weight than anyone Brook or Thurman has beat and probably them too at the time, considering he was top 4 or 5 p4p.
So, if Khan beats Canelo (God forbid), does that mean it doesn't count because he's not that weight?
JMM is not a good welterweight. Fact which is why Brooks crew wanted to fight him. Easy fight and big name.
Do not let success go to your head and do not let failure get to your heart.
So you say it's who you beat that determines if you are good but Bradley beat a much much better fighter than anyone Thurman has beaten but it doesn't count because Marquez isn't a good welterweight.
But again Marquez beat a much much better fighter than anyone Thurman has fought by beating Pacquiao.
Are you going to say that doesn't count either? How many better fighters do we need to list before who they actually beat matters? How much do you allow yourself to pick and choose what counts FFS?
Look at what really happened against Manny. JMM was getting battered and landed the shot of a life time. What else has JMM done at the weight?
Thurman beats Bradley and JMM. Both were great fighters at the lower weights but are not legitimate welterweights.
Give it a rest.
Do not let success go to your head and do not let failure get to your heart.
I think Bradley's chin is cracked and it's been a long time coming. You could see it after being wobbled initially by Manny and his mentality was tame and the way he was backing on toes awkwardly. I expected him to be dropped off a single shot ala the Holt knockdown. I don't think he'd fair well with a Thurman or a Porter at this point.
Give it a rest? You keep making excuses to avoid the facts and I should give it a rest?
Was Manny knocked the fuck out or not? Are you going to lower this conversation to lucky punch ignorance?
If you want to say Thurman is better because he is a bigger younger man and it's his time that point has potential. But you are trying to use beating better fighters as the standard and then outright dismissal of the truth.
Just say "what I said didn't make sense" we will all understand because it happens to all of us sometimes.
Yeah, NOW he is. He's virtually retired with dodgy knees and over 40. The fact that a Brook or Thurman would look for him as an opponent tells us more about them.
I like Brook, gone off Thurman a bit, but these fuckers need to fight somebody relevant. They want to be called the best without actually going out and fighting anyone.
Something you could never ever label Bradley with.
Obviously Thurman is a better welterweight because he is bigger, younger and better. He will not acieive the heights the legend like JMM has achieved.
JMM knew he won a lucky fight and could not do anymore in his career or the weight as he is too old and small.
Do not let success go to your head and do not let failure get to your heart.
I scored it 8-4 rounds 116-112 -2 knockdown 116-110.
Both were very respectful of each other's skill set. Hence neither tried to go for the kill.
The 8th round was probably the best of the night. I gave it to Bradley.
By 12th round Tim's body language seemed to tell the story. I think he feared getting ktfod if he would've given all he had. He didn't.
Overall I'd say grade wise the fight was a B-.
Decent fight. Glad I didn't pay for it.
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