Non-British perspective: Froch easier to like than was Calzaghe

[Beanz]

Lol. Why 115-112, dare I ask Joe would probably win 8 rounds but get penalized in the 12th for his slightly Welsh accent and better looks, right? He was a great fighter but come on, there is no way in hell he was on Mayweathers level at any point. You merely need to open your eyes and divorce the personal biases to see so.

p.s. "Youre Bias" is such a shit argument

youre bias, no youre bias, no youre bias, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you are

*patiently waits for GreenBean to correct eric's spelling error*

You Calzaghe fans are smoking some reaaaaal good shit..

It's Greenbeanz. With a z.

[C.J.Rock]

Of course Froch is easier to like than Calzaghe. Carl Froch FIGHTS!!!
Calzaghe cherry picked his oppnents throughout his career. Never wanted to fight away from home soil. He also lacked the heart of a champion EG Joe wanted to pull out of the Jeff Lacey fight "injured" but Enzo kicked his ass and made him fight.
Calzaghe knew he did not deserve the nod over Bernard Hopkins either hence his refusal to fight a rematch even though it would have been at home in wales. What a way to thank his devoted fans but instead he retired.
Calzaghe had the talent but lacked the cojones. Froch has a champions cojones

[ross]

Of course Froch is easier to like than Calzaghe. Carl Froch FIGHTS!!!
Calzaghe cherry picked his oppnents throughout his career. Never wanted to fight away from home soil. He also lacked the heart of a champion EG Joe wanted to pull out of the Jeff Lacey fight "injured" but Enzo kicked his ass and made him fight.
Calzaghe knew he did not deserve the nod over Bernard Hopkins either hence his refusal to fight a rematch even though it would have been at home in wales. What a way to thank his devoted fans but instead he retired.
Calzaghe had the talent but lacked the cojones. Froch has a champions cojones

Exactly, he saved them all from having to watch a fully grown man reduced to crawling round on all fours like a little sissy cry girl looking for sympathy because he was getting worked over and didnt like it. They were also spared the sight of Calzaghe littally fucking Hopkins ass while poor old Hopkins truned his back and cowered in fear

Absolutely no one wanted to watch a rematch! The only reason anyone watches a Hopkins fight is curiosity to see how much longer he can compete for. He met his match in Calzaghe and if hed have had the balls to take the match when it was originally signed while he was reigning middle champ, rather than ask for double the comtacted money at the last minute! then he would have probably been stopped against a younger harder hitting Calzaghe.

[p4pking]

Lol. Why 115-112, dare I ask Joe would probably win 8 rounds but get penalized in the 12th for his slightly Welsh accent and better looks, right? He was a great fighter but come on, there is no way in hell he was on Mayweathers level at any point. You merely need to open your eyes and divorce the personal biases to see so.

p.s. "Youre Bias" is such a shit argument

youre bias, no youre bias, no youre bias, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you are

I see you've learned the difference between your and you're, just missing the apostrophe now. It's funny to me that a boxing forum has basically revamped your ability to write and spell, you remind me of ICB in that regard How old are you? Did you ever finish high school? Have your terrible posts here really been the most practice you've ever had writing? Kind of sad really.

[Kirkland Laing]

smoking

Vaporising.

[IamInuit]

These people who accuse Calzaghe of cheery picking and ignore the facts because they are perplexed by them need to tell everyone who he did not face that he could have and when.

Cricket Chirp - YouTube

Thats what I thought.

[ross]

Lol. Why 115-112, dare I ask Joe would probably win 8 rounds but get penalized in the 12th for his slightly Welsh accent and better looks, right? He was a great fighter but come on, there is no way in hell he was on Mayweathers level at any point. You merely need to open your eyes and divorce the personal biases to see so.

p.s. "Youre Bias" is such a shit argument

youre bias, no youre bias, no youre bias, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you are

I see you've learned the difference between your and you're, just missing the apostrophe now. It's funny to me that a boxing forum has basically revamped your ability to write and spell, you remind me of ICB in that regard How old are you? Did you ever finish high school? Have your terrible posts here really been the most practice you've ever had writing? Kind of sad really.

For fuck sakes!

Its a boxing forum, not grammar contest!

Also, I think im right in saying erics isnt even English, I think hes danish? If he is, he has a very good grasp of english whereas my grasp of danish is non existent.

What a wanky pathetitc thing to argue about...

[p4pking]

What was I supposed to do, counter his arguement? I do apologize if English isn't his first language, but in that case he shouldn't be so confrontational all the time.
My original point about the bias was fair, that's all that set me off a bit. A lot of you obviously have a hard time being objective about your countrymen and fighters you personally like, imo.

[ross]

That also means nothing, im from a little island called guernsey and one pf my favoirite fighters are in my sig and hes american.

Its mostly americans that whine about other nationalitys being patriotic and this I do t umderstand seeing as most american sports fans are seen as fat screaming rednecks

[TitoFan]

I think we're all getting off the subject here. Although I do admit I didn't think this thread would generate this much emotion. Must've touched a nerve somewhere.



Fact is... and speaking for myself... I'm not a Calzaghe hater. The man did what he did, and more power to him. He managed to finish his career undefeated, which a lot of fighters are not able to do. Of course... those same fighters face more dangerous and higher level opposition in the upper stages of their careers, also. Facts are facts. Calzaghe had the Kessler fight, and a couple of others. But all in all... other fighters with lesser records (ie: losses to their name) have had more impressive careers. Again, not hate... just facts.

Nowhere in the thread title or any of my posts have I claimed that Froch is, was, or will ever be a better fighter than Calzaghe. Nowhere. Only that Froch is easier to like than Calzaghe. And that point has hardly been disputed, even by diehard Calzaghe fans.

I was enlightened as to Calzaghe's brittle hands and how he changed styles somewhere during his career. Well... all that explains is why his fights have been so "fan un-friendly". At least from my vantage point. You see, while I admire that he continued fighting, even with his brittle hands, it still remains true that I did not like any of his highly publicized fights. His fight against Hopkins was absolutely deplorable, probably because Hopkins himself has never been fun to watch. Then there's the fact that Calzaghe chose Peter Manfredo as an opponent. And if that wasn't ridiculous enough, the "flurry" that ended the fight was downright laughable. Not one punch thrown in anger. If I was Manfredo and I watched a replay of that last flurry..... I'd hang myself. Anyway, Manfredo had no business being there in the first place.

As a fan, I have my tastes in boxing. I like action fights and action fighters, such as was Gatti.... Barrera... Corrales.... Cotto. I also like master boxers, such as Mayweather. Floyd gained a lot of respect from me with his showing against Cotto.

But whether they're brawlers or boxers..... I still need to see PUNCHES..... not SLAPS!!! I want to see a slapfest.... I'll pinch a woman in the ass at a bar and blame the guy next to me.

[Althugz]

Of course Froch is easier to like than Calzaghe. Carl Froch FIGHTS!!!
Calzaghe cherry picked his oppnents throughout his career. Never wanted to fight away from home soil. He also lacked the heart of a champion EG Joe wanted to pull out of the Jeff Lacey fight "injured" but Enzo kicked his ass and made him fight.
Calzaghe knew he did not deserve the nod over Bernard Hopkins either hence his refusal to fight a rematch even though it would have been at home in wales. What a way to thank his devoted fans but instead he retired.
Calzaghe had the talent but lacked the cojones. Froch has a champions cojones

Exactly - where there is smoke there is fire and a LOT of people think the same about Calzaghe. I'm not the only one.

Calzaghe fans are downright emotional! He had one of the worst closeouts to an overall mediocre career. Manfredo, old Hopkins which many thought he won and braindead RJJ. At his peak he had another controversial decision against Reid, fought his socks off against the bum, Lacy. Best win against Kessler. Why does that fact put a rocket up JC fans arses?? It just is what it is *sad face*

A fair career. Nothing special. That's coming from a Brit who just says what he sees. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Althugz]

But anyway in answer to your thread, Tito, Froch is basically more likeable than Calzaghe to international fans. I think every poster agrees with that. *Group hug*

[IamInuit]

I think we're all getting off the subject here. Although I do admit I didn't think this thread would generate this much emotion. Must've touched a nerve somewhere.



This is what kind of bugs me. Its not the Calzaghe fans getting emotional at all. Its a matter of a road paved with good intentions leading to hell. Who is more likeable was the question and it quickly turned into Calzaghes credentials as a fighter. I'd rather go for a pint with Carl but Calzaghe would have kicked the living snot out of him. Before he broke his hands on Omars face or after.

Fact is... and speaking for myself... I'm not a Calzaghe hater. The man did what he did, and more power to him. He managed to finish his career undefeated, which a lot of fighters are not able to do. Of course... those same fighters face more dangerous and higher level opposition in the upper stages of their careers, also. Facts are facts. Calzaghe had the Kessler fight, and a couple of others. But all in all... other fighters with lesser records (ie: losses to their name) have had more impressive careers. Again, not hate... just facts.

There are no false facts. I find it easier to respond this way at times and bold my replies to portions rather then quote the post and respond. I sincerely mean no offense by this format. Its not Calzaghes fault that 168 was anorexic at his peak anymore then it was the fault of Hopkins for a mediocre 160 division or Marciano for a less then stellar heavyweight division. What stands out for Joe is the Lacy fight and the Kessler fight for me at a time when 175 was looming. Facts are facts.

Nowhere in the thread title or any of my posts have I claimed that Froch is, was, or will ever be a better fighter than Calzaghe. Nowhere. Only that Froch is easier to like than Calzaghe. And that point has hardly been disputed, even by diehard Calzaghe fans.

Fair enough.

I was enlightened as to Calzaghe's brittle hands and how he changed styles somewhere during his career. Well... all that explains is why his fights have been so "fan un-friendly". At least from my vantage point. You see, while I admire that he continued fighting, even with his brittle hands, it still remains true that I did not like any of his highly publicized fights. His fight against Hopkins was absolutely deplorable, probably because Hopkins himself has never been fun to watch. Then there's the fact that Calzaghe chose Peter Manfredo as an opponent. And if that wasn't ridiculous enough, the "flurry" that ended the fight was downright laughable. Not one punch thrown in anger. If I was Manfredo and I watched a replay of that last flurry..... I'd hang myself. Anyway, Manfredo had no business being there in the first place.

I'm kind of enlightened by your enlightenment. The fact that he did what he did after hand problems is remarkable. Other fighters have done the same thing as Joe and won in the same style w/o hand problems. Ali stole more rounds slapping then probably anyone in history. Ray Leonard, Joe Gans, Nicolino Locche, Langford etc etc. Manfredo was a contender star and Stieglitz was not going to fight Joe mandatory or not so Joe dumped the IBF and fought Manfredo for the money and exposure. Fact.

As a fan, I have my tastes in boxing. I like action fights and action fighters, such as was Gatti.... Barrera... Corrales.... Cotto. I also like master boxers, such as Mayweather. Floyd gained a lot of respect from me with his showing against Cotto.

Limon/Chacon 4 is as fine as Leonard/Benitez for me.

But whether they're brawlers or boxers..... I still need to see PUNCHES..... not SLAPS!!! I want to see a slapfest.... I'll pinch a woman in the ass at a bar and blame the guy next to me.

I had to say something in order to get past a character limit. This would be that something lol

Peace man.

[TitoFan]

Good, thought-out response, bro. I've only got a couple of differences with what you stated... and I've also inserted them into the quote below (in red).

I think we're all getting off the subject here. Although I do admit I didn't think this thread would generate this much emotion. Must've touched a nerve somewhere.



This is what kind of bugs me. Its not the Calzaghe fans getting emotional at all. Its a matter of a road paved with good intentions leading to hell. Who is more likeable was the question and it quickly turned into Calzaghes credentials as a fighter. I'd rather go for a pint with Carl but Calzaghe would have kicked the living snot out of him. Before he broke his hands on Omars face or after.

Fact is... and speaking for myself... I'm not a Calzaghe hater. The man did what he did, and more power to him. He managed to finish his career undefeated, which a lot of fighters are not able to do. Of course... those same fighters face more dangerous and higher level opposition in the upper stages of their careers, also. Facts are facts. Calzaghe had the Kessler fight, and a couple of others. But all in all... other fighters with lesser records (ie: losses to their name) have had more impressive careers. Again, not hate... just facts.

There are no false facts. I find it easier to respond this way at times and bold my replies to portions rather then quote the post and respond. I sincerely mean no offense by this format. Its not Calzaghes fault that 168 was anorexic at his peak anymore then it was the fault of Hopkins for a mediocre 160 division or Marciano for a less then stellar heavyweight division. What stands out for Joe is the Lacy fight and the Kessler fight for me at a time when 175 was looming. Facts are facts.

I beg to differ with the Calzaghe/Hopkins/Marciano opponents comparison. Hopkins, throughout his remarkable career, fought more than a handful of big name opponents. His list more than stacks up against Calzaghe's opponents list, IMO. Marciano I'm not too sure about.

Nowhere in the thread title or any of my posts have I claimed that Froch is, was, or will ever be a better fighter than Calzaghe. Nowhere. Only that Froch is easier to like than Calzaghe. And that point has hardly been disputed, even by diehard Calzaghe fans.

Fair enough.

I was enlightened as to Calzaghe's brittle hands and how he changed styles somewhere during his career. Well... all that explains is why his fights have been so "fan un-friendly". At least from my vantage point. You see, while I admire that he continued fighting, even with his brittle hands, it still remains true that I did not like any of his highly publicized fights. His fight against Hopkins was absolutely deplorable, probably because Hopkins himself has never been fun to watch. Then there's the fact that Calzaghe chose Peter Manfredo as an opponent. And if that wasn't ridiculous enough, the "flurry" that ended the fight was downright laughable. Not one punch thrown in anger. If I was Manfredo and I watched a replay of that last flurry..... I'd hang myself. Anyway, Manfredo had no business being there in the first place.

I'm kind of enlightened by your enlightenment. The fact that he did what he did after hand problems is remarkable. Other fighters have done the same thing as Joe and won in the same style w/o hand problems. Ali stole more rounds slapping then probably anyone in history. Ray Leonard, Joe Gans, Nicolino Locche, Langford etc etc. Manfredo was a contender star and Stieglitz was not going to fight Joe mandatory or not so Joe dumped the IBF and fought Manfredo for the money and exposure. Fact.

Ali did NOT slap. Ali had little power in his punches, because of the way he threw them. He rarely put his whole body weight behind his punches, but rather threw them while leaning back or falling away. There's a huge difference between that and slapping. Ray Leonard, if you're including him in that group... was most definitely not a slapper. He could have his meaningless flurries, like a few he threw against Hagler. But he could punch with power, and had a few good KOs to his credit. Calzaghe was a slapper. For whatever the reason. Brittle hands, whatever. He slapped. The flurries looked downright U-G-L-Y. Turned me off immediately. Whatever the reason for Calzaghe to fight Manfredo, it was laughable. Should've never occurred at that stage of Calzaghe's career. Being a "Contender" star is a dubious entry in a fighter's resume.

As a fan, I have my tastes in boxing. I like action fights and action fighters, such as was Gatti.... Barrera... Corrales.... Cotto. I also like master boxers, such as Mayweather. Floyd gained a lot of respect from me with his showing against Cotto.

Limon/Chacon 4 is as fine as Leonard/Benitez for me.

But whether they're brawlers or boxers..... I still need to see PUNCHES..... not SLAPS!!! I want to see a slapfest.... I'll pinch a woman in the ass at a bar and blame the guy next to me.

I had to say something in order to get past a character limit. This would be that something lol

Peace man.

Your points are well taken, though.

[IamInuit]

There are no false facts. I find it easier to respond this way at times and bold my replies to portions rather then quote the post and respond. I sincerely mean no offense by this format. Its not Calzaghes fault that 168 was anorexic at his peak anymore then it was the fault of Hopkins for a mediocre 160 division or Marciano for a less then stellar heavyweight division. What stands out for Joe is the Lacy fight and the Kessler fight for me at a time when 175 was looming. Facts are facts.

I beg to differ with the Calzaghe/Hopkins/Marciano opponents comparison. Hopkins, throughout his remarkable career, fought more than a handful of big name opponents. His list more than stacks up against Calzaghe's opponents list, IMO. Marciano I'm not too sure about.

Give me a name prior to Tito? a CAREER WELTER recently turned Jr Mid? Hopkins is a 1st ballot hall of famer for a dominant career and yet Reid probably beats anyone he fought. I'm not saying his record is better. You are saying I am and then suggesting my response is emotional.

Who did Marciano fight prime wise?

Ali did NOT slap. Ali had little power in his punches, because of the way he threw them. He rarely put his whole body weight behind his punches, but rather threw them while leaning back or falling away. There's a huge difference between that and slapping. Ray Leonard, if you're including him in that group... was most definitely not a slapper. He could have his meaningless flurries, like a few he threw against Hagler. But he could punch with power, and had a few good KOs to his credit. Calzaghe was a slapper. For whatever the reason. Brittle hands, whatever. He slapped. The flurries looked downright U-G-L-Y. Turned me off immediately. Whatever the reason for Calzaghe to fight Manfredo, it was laughable. Should've never occurred at that stage of Calzaghe's career. Being a "Contender" star is a dubious entry in a fighter's resume.

Yes he did. Almost as much as he held behind the head. He and many others have won fights by the very combinations you dismiss. I could draft a list of fighters who slap by your opinion that would grow eternally. You claim that you are not a hater and that its a fact and yet empirical evidence would suggest that's not the case.