help please

[A_Munk3y]

hi guys
first off let me tell you i am not a boxer..
i just punch my bag for fun.. allot.. im 16 yrs old
anyway, i have boxing gloves and the gloves like in the ufc.. and i punch the bag pretty much around 5000 times daily
anyway, i recently decided to take off my gloves and wraps and just punch barehanded.. after about 1000 punches or so
this part of my hand http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/7991/untitledbh2.jpg
rips and starts to hurt like crazy.. then icant punch anymore
my question is.. am i doing something wrong, or if i just continue this. sooner or later it will stop happening


ok reason me punching without gloves is to make my hands stronger.. i feel (personal opinion) with gloves it weakens your hand so that if you actually have to hit someone, chance of you hurting your hand is greater..
i have this type of bag if anyone would like to know
http://www.musclefinesse.com/golds-gym-punch-bags.asp

thanks for your time

o.. forgot to read sticky
height: 5'9"
weight: 140

[Grand]

nonono that won't help your hands at all is it actually tearing your skin? could you explain it a bit more? if your going to do this at least keep your wraps on. but gloves would be better. does it hurt like just then and there or for a few hours or days even?

just lookin out

[A_Munk3y]

yea it tears the skin.. the skin sortoff peals off at those spots i showed.
so far the tear is 2 days, and doesnt look to be healing anytime soon

it wont help? thats odd.. i thought rough skin would grown in place after many cuts ^^

[Grand]

you might get rougher skin but it's the actual hand that it'll do damage to. use the wraps if you would liek to go without gloves but dont go bare handed. teh wraps will probably stop a bit or the skin ripping and gives your hand support.

[A_Munk3y]

ok
but how? hand wraps dont get to the part where its ripping
http://www.ringside.com/IMAGES/hw_in...ions/hw-11.jpg

[Andre]

Take your old mans leather gardening gloves for a round or your old ladys leather driving gloves for a spin see how that goes.

[Von Milash]

punching without wraps and gloves is just plain stupid. No offence!

your hands are bone, ligament and tendon. you can't really strengthen them the way you want to. It doesn't matter who you are...punching a guy in the face with bare hands could break your hand.

Also, you can hit the bag 10,000 times a day, but if you're not doing it properly then what's the point? Why not invest at least some of that time hitting the bag at a gym, with a trainer? I was like you... just loved to hit the bag. Then I thought, you know, I have ZERO left hook. I think I'll take some lessons. you'd be amazed at how little you know. Depite what I thought was me hitting my bag hard, I sucked large and was doing everything wrong.

join a gym, always wear wraps, always wear gloves. bare hands are ok on the speed bag and VERY LIGHT bag work that's more like shadow boxing.

[AdamGB]

No, you're hand's don't heal like that... Anatomy doesn't work like that... you are not tearing muscle tissue of stretching tendons hear... just stressing solid bone and ripping and tearing ligaments and connective tissue... won't heal stronger.

I don't use Wraps but I always use gloves, when you see people hitting with only raps on they are hitting a soft half empty bag with soft punches... if I hit a properly filled heavy bag with just wraps on my Knuckles would shatter after about 5 punches.

[A_Munk3y]

o...
but is my bag concidered a heavy bag?
i forgot to mention in the link i gave its the first bag..
its those ones you fill with sand and it has about 3 inch cushion

[Munkymagic]

punching without wraps and gloves is just plain stupid. No offence!

Depends. If you want to condition your knuckles and the skin on them not to break when you hit someones skull then its vital

But i agree for boxing purposes its a bit silly. Depends what you are trying t gain.

[Von Milash]

yeah, but you could just as easily callous them by rubbing with sandpaper or working in the cold without gloves.

[Munkymagic]

I know a few doormen and a few ex doormen who do sets of rounds on the bag each day without gloves to condition the knuckels making them stronger. The connective tissue does grow stronger despite what people may say. I haven't used a closed fist on someones head myself in a real go since my younger days. I am a strong advocate of palm strikes due to the fact you have a greater chance of scoring a KO due to the larger strike surface. A punch has to be pretty accurate and if it is off slightly will only glance and not cuase damage. Prime aim in a real fight is to switch the machine off at the mains as soon as possible. Palms are better (IMO)

Having said this if you connect right with a punch on the jaw then you won't hurt your hand. Its what is called the butter punch because it feels like you could be punching through butter. BUT add in the factor of adrenaline in a real fight and targetting gets f*cked and 9 times out of 10 punches rain down and glance off the skull causing little damage. Generally only a skilled exponent has any real success.

Anyway in a real fight hit first and hit hard. Munk3y...train combative palm strikes for seeing off nutters mate.

nb. I in no way condone violence of any sort

[A_Munk3y]

^^

i heard that the palm is what you should hit with and not the fist.. i cant remember where but someone told me that

you got a point.. all of you do in a way

[Munkymagic]

Also just reading through again and looking at where your skin is ripping. V odd...you are not throwing correctly and your fist is all wrong at the point of impact. You should be connecting with the first two knuckles of your fist first then the rest of the fist follows through on impact. Looks to be like you are doing more of a closed fist slap if thats where your skin is ripping.

take some lessons or switch to open hand.

[A_Munk3y]

when it ripped i looked at the spot where its ripping, and i made a fist and looked at it from all angles
anyways when i make a fist
everything is normal except the part where i marked on my index finger, and pinky finger sticks out.. for some odd reason i dont know.. but it just sticks out and thats where it rips