Scrap, interesting, I'll try it. Of course, a true jab that is well executaed will show no prior signs of elbow movement. The hand comes straight out, elbow follows...one clean motion as you know. We have p[eople in our gym, you can see their jab coming a mile away for that very reason. Elbow comes way up, jab goes out. So you MIGHT be seing this because you probably train so many new kids that start out with big tells from their flaring elbows. Yes, no?

Sharla, I tend to watch the eyes too as I sadi, but I dont think we're getting anythin out of it... infact,i thik it'ds plain wrong. Try some other approaches, as will I.