Can't Believe It! Everyone sez Marquez Won & I Believed, Shame on Me!

[pacfan]

I didn't get to watch the full fight at first so when almost every non-pac-fans were saying Marquez won, even some pinoy fools - ya let me call 'em fools coz they deserve it - I believed them and so I kept my silence. I even congratulated El Gamo on PM. What a fool I've been, I'm ashamed of myself for betraying my boy so I'm here to repay my boy for the injustice. You guys know I usually don't stick out my neck here that much. But for this one, I have to and I'm glad to do so. Now don't call me biased because I've alway maintained Marquez won the first fight in this forum. The rematch was nothing like that. When my pal ICB scored only 1 point in favor of Marquez, I became a bit suspicious. So today, when the local tv replayed the rematch and I decided to take a serious look at the fight. I was totally shocked, where was the the great outboxing by Marquez. Many of the shots were actually hitting gloves or just barely grazed the boxers, so much for the dumbu-box - I knew better than to trust those compu stuffs. Many rounds where to close to call. I saw Marquez winning only 4 solid rounds, while I had pac winning 5 solid rounds including the 3rd. Anybody who sez Marquez was winning the fight is a ........never mind. Even Marquez himself knew this cuz he came back very desperately strong on the 12th as if it was a do or die round for him, and though he won that round, pac was still able to repulse his assault - whoever said pac was saved by the bell. So much for the claim of Marquez victory, and compubox.

So let's see if there indeed will be a rematch, and if ever, who'll win the next. I can't wait. By the way, please don't give me any more craps, I won't buy it.

[Kev]

Good luck in convincing everybody

[BoxingGorilla]

I'm telling you right now that "pacfan" doesn't have a biased opinion.

No sir.

[ICB]

Ok my friend here is my scorecard again for you.

1 Pacquiao 10-9
2 Marquez 10-9
3 Pacquiao 10-8
4 Pacquiao 10-9
5 Marquez 10-9
6 Marquez 10-9
7 Marquez 10-9
8 Marquez 10-9
9 Pacquiao 10-9
10 Pacquiao 10-9
11 Marquez 10-9
12 Marquez 10-9

114-113 Marquez

The 1st round was close and could of gone either way as i remember it, also the 7th and 9th were close and could of gone either way if i remember right. Other than that i think the rounds were pretty clear cut. I think it was a razor thin close fight but even though it was close i think Marquez deserved the fight based on winning the last 2 rounds clearly IMO anyway.

[pacfan]

Good luck in convincing everybody

I got a feeling I'm talking again at a blank wall.

By the way, Bilbo, hope you're doing fine.

[pacfan]

I'm telling you right now that "pacfan" doesn't have a biased opinion.

No sir.

Ya bet! Thanks BoxingGorilla

[pacfan]

Ok my friend here is my scorecard again for you.

1 Pacquiao 10-9
2 Marquez 10-9
3 Pacquiao 10-8
4 Pacquiao 10-9
5 Marquez 10-9
6 Marquez 10-9
7 Marquez 10-9
8 Marquez 10-9
9 Pacquiao 10-9
10 Pacquiao 10-9
11 Marquez 10-9
12 Marquez 10-9

114-113 Marquez

The 1st round was close and could of gone either way as i remember it, also the 7th and 9th were close and could of gone either way if i remember right. Other than that i think the rounds were pretty clear cut. I think it was a razor thin close fight but even though it was close i think Marquez deserved the fight based on winning the last 2 rounds clearly IMO anyway.

At least I know you're sincere, ICB. But just a point for Marquez? hmmm, that's measly.

[Kev]

Good luck in convincing everybody

I got a feeling I'm talking again at a blank wall.

By the way, Bilbo, hope you're doing fine.

I've come to realise long ago that being right usually means being in disagreement with the majority of the sheeples on this board.

[ICB]

Ok my friend here is my scorecard again for you.

1 Pacquiao 10-9
2 Marquez 10-9
3 Pacquiao 10-8
4 Pacquiao 10-9
5 Marquez 10-9
6 Marquez 10-9
7 Marquez 10-9
8 Marquez 10-9
9 Pacquiao 10-9
10 Pacquiao 10-9
11 Marquez 10-9
12 Marquez 10-9

114-113 Marquez

The 1st round was close and could of gone either way as i remember it, also the 7th and 9th were close and could of gone either way if i remember right. Other than that i think the rounds were pretty clear cut. I think it was a razor thin close fight but even though it was close i think Marquez deserved the fight based on winning the last 2 rounds clearly IMO anyway.

At least I know you're sincere, ICB. But just a point for Marquez? hmmm, that's measly.

Like i said to the other Pacquiao fans im not annoyed at all my boy Marquez done excellent and exchanged more than i thought. He done the exact tactics i thought he would be circling Pacquiao trying to take away his left hand, leading with straight right hands and etc. You have to admire Pacquiao because he is amazing athlete and a hell of a fighter to watch. But sorry to say this but i think Pacquiao should be 0-2 against Marquez. Just a damn shame Marquez gets knocked down against Pacquiao and makes it closer than it should be. Take away knockdowns in the 1st fight its clear cut win for Marquez and ditto for the rematch. Its just so frustrating to watch as a Marquez fan that he can beat Pacquiao but he always gets caught and makes it a lot closer than it should be. Great fight though it was better than i expected.

[Spicoli]

I had it a two point fight for Marquez,you can look at Pac's aggression, power and the KD &/or you can look at the counter punching and sharp shots by Marquez.All in all it was a nip & tuck fight well contested and Both guys showed true courage and pride ,This is one where the lines are drawn so deep in the sand that minds are made up and no one will be convinced the other way.

Watch the replay tonight On HBO,Undercard of Casamayor Vs. Katsidis.I really hope this place does not get as trivial and as nasty as it did last Sat. Night

[SigmaMu]

In the Philipines from now on, Christmas will be celebrated on the 15th of March.

[pacfan]

No problem disagreeing as long as it's done like a bunch of grown-up's. So far so good huh. There is one unwritten rule in boxing which goes like this: if you wanna know who's winning, look who comes strong on the 12th and he's the guy who's behind (in points, or at least he believes so). Reminds me of someone. One thing I noticed, if pac boxed around like a fool - just like SRL - he was pretty good 'cause Marquez had hard time catching him. I hope he does that more often. But I guess it's not his style.

[Julius Rain]

Jmm needed a knock out to win the fight coming into the 12, or alteast a knockdown to make it a draw. he was despret but he came up short. Even jim said it coming into the 12, jmm may need a knock out to win.

Notice Jmm slow down by the 10th, he had a big 8 round that took more out of him then pac.

Pac block most of jmms punches with his gloves, there was no outboxing pac. Even steward said it, you can't outbox pac you have to fight him.

Note both jim and steward said this during the fight.

This fight was close only because pac fought jmms fight. Pac has now beaten mab in his own perfered fight and he has also beaten jmm in his own countering style. Look at the third round, that punch pac landed was a counter punch. PERFECT FUCKING PUNCH, so give my boy credit. For a dubbed masterful counter puncher. JMM himself has never landed a beautiful counter like that. LOOK at the tenth round, only 20 some seconds into that round, pac again lands a beautiful fcking counter left hook, it nearly sends jmm across the pacific.

Jmm did well but pac has adapted his no longer just a brawler, his boxing and countering is underrated.

Only reason people say pac lost is because the standard for a pac victory is a k.o. Jmm didn't get ko'ed but look at his face, from his forehead to his upper lip his whole face is swollen. Pac only suffered from one eye which was crucial. It was first cause from the mutual headbutt, at first it seem jmm suffered worst but later jmm targetted that cut to worsen it. Pac also spread jmm cuts, both battered eachothers cut well. Great fight but jmm came up short. Pac settles and does not go out to destroys, he prefers to fight these guys fights now. His countering and boxing is underrated. As long as pac does not win via k.o its a lost in the eyes of the blinds. They should be proud jmm was in a close fight and pac didn't blaze him out of the ring. He could of finish jmm in the fourth right after jmm was stunned twice or thrice. Pacs extra 16 pounds after the weight in is also slowing him down. When he moves up to 135 i hope to see the vicious side of pac again.

Believe me pac is p4p great, so is Jmm but pac did not lose to jmm. If anything jmm should retire and live with this lost, atleast he can brag about not being stopped by pac unlike the other two. His really asking for it if he moves up to 135 just to fight pac again. Maybe its just for another million pac can get him.

[Julius Rain]

No problem disagreeing as long as it's done like a bunch of grown-up's. So far so good huh. There is one unwritten rule in boxing which goes like this: if you wanna know who's winning, look who comes strong on the 12th and he's the guy who's behind (in points, or at least he believes so). Reminds me of someone. One thing I noticed, if pac boxed around like a fool - just like SRL - he was pretty good 'cause Marquez had hard time catching him. I hope he does that more often. But I guess it's not his style.

pacs boxing and countering is underrated, the only thing horrible about pac is his balance sometimes but then again sometimes his balance is awesome. your right its not pacs style but yet his good at it.

like i said the standard for a pac victory is via ko. anything less gives others something to say. They just ain't use to this new way of pac. He settles, i don't like it either but fighting an elite like jmm and its still enough for a W, well credit is due to two. both guys are great, close fight great night. history has been written pac won.

[pacfan]

Jmm needed a knock out to win the fight coming into the 12, or alteast a knockdown to make it a draw. he was despret but he came up short. Even jim said it coming into the 12, jmm may need a knock out to win.

Notice Jmm slow down by the 10th, he had a big 8 round that took more out of him then pac.

Pac block most of jmms punches with his gloves, there was no outboxing pac. Even steward said it, you can't outbox pac you have to fight him.

Note both jim and steward said this during the fight.

This fight was close only because pac fought jmms fight. Pac has now beaten mab in his own perfered fight and he has also beaten jmm in his own countering style. Look at the third round, that punch pac landed was a counter punch. PERFECT FUCKING PUNCH, so give my boy credit. For a dubbed masterful counter puncher. JMM himself has never landed a beautiful counter like that. LOOK at the tenth round, only 20 some seconds into that round, pac again lands a beautiful fcking counter left hook, it nearly sends jmm across the pacific.

Jmm did well but pac has adapted his no longer just a brawler, his boxing and countering is underrated.

Only reason people say pac lost is because the standard for a pac victory is a k.o. Jmm didn't get ko'ed but look at his face, from his forehead to his upper lip his whole face is swollen. Pac only suffered from one eye which was crucial. It was first cause from the mutual headbutt, at first it seem jmm suffered worst but later jmm targetted that cut to worsen it. Pac also spread jmm cuts, both battered eachothers cut well. Great fight but jmm came up short. Pac settles and does not go out to destroys, he prefers to fight these guys fights now. His countering and boxing is underrated. As long as pac does not win via k.o its a lost in the eyes of the blinds. They should be proud jmm was in a close fight and pac didn't blaze him out of the ring. He could of finish jmm in the fourth right after jmm was stunned twice or thrice. Pacs extra 16 pounds after the weight in is also slowing him down. When he moves up to 135 i hope to see the vicious side of pac again.

Believe me pac is p4p great, so is Jmm but pac did not lose to jmm. If anything jmm should retire and live with this lost, atleast he can brag about not being stopped by pac unlike the other two. His really asking for it if he moves up to 135 just to fight pac again. Maybe its just for another million pac can get him.

Yup, julius, I may not agree with Manny Steward sometimes, but when it comes to boxing in pure sense, I usually agree. That's on record cuz I've seen many threads here criticizing him but my usual reply there is, 'I'll pick M. Steward anytime over any kids here who claims to know boxing better than him.'