Pavlik's weight/Bob Arum

[Greig]

Ok, what we learned tonight is that Pavlik should get the hell back to 160 and not move from there until he is at least 30. He showed signs that his power wasn't great moving up at 166 against Taylor - now we know for sure, 160 is where he is best suited.

We also learned (if we didn't already know) that Hopkins is a freak of nature, impossible to hit and one of the smartest fighters that ever lived. I don't like him but he is so good at everything he does that he is impossible not to respect. Hats off to you 'Nard - you are an all-time great.

Finally, I think that Bob Arum needs his head read for taking a fight with Bernard Hopkins at 170lbs. Hopkins is a nightmare for anybody but for a basic one-two fighter like Kelly Pavlik he was always going to be a handful. Even Kelly wins it would have been a scrappy, close decision (a la Calzaghe) in which he wouldn't look good and wouldn't gain much. Or what happens tonight happened - Kelly is defeated convincingly and his marquee value and aura of invincibility is damaged heavily. Hope the $3 million was worth it Bob.

Bad, bad matchup at 170 IMO.

[Taeth]

Fuck that, Pavlik weighed in on fight night like 3 or 4 pounds more than he normally does, they made sure that he wouldn't be much different than his middleweight self, Bernard Hopkins, who even though he weighed more did use that to win this fight, he used speed, timing, and Pavlik's flaws to win it.

[Markusdarkus]

I guess Miranda was hype and Pavlik is a bad style for Taylor. Pavlik looked dire real dire any big name at 168 would ruin him. He is also very chinny.

[kingfrnk]

I guess Miranda was hype and Pavlik is a bad style for Taylor. Pavlik looked dire real dire any big name at 168 would ruin him. He is also very chinny.

How is pavlik chinny he took hard shots frm bhop. calzaghe went down frm 1 right hand.

[skel1983]

I guess Miranda was hype and Pavlik is a bad style for Taylor. Pavlik looked dire real dire any big name at 168 would ruin him. He is also very chinny.

How is pavlik chinny he took hard shots frm bhop. calzaghe went down frm 1 right hand.

He is chinny, he did a little dance at one stage, Calzaghe went down, was he in any trouble whatsoever form that knockdown?

Fanboys like you are not good for the game, Kessler and Bute would outclass Your boy like i always said, hes basic fighter with no great movement, i just love some americans they slate Calzaghe to the hills and back for being the most over rated boxer ever, then do exactly the same about Pavlik who has beat one world champion. Priceless!!

[ICB]

I guess Miranda was hype and Pavlik is a bad style for Taylor. Pavlik looked dire real dire any big name at 168 would ruin him. He is also very chinny.

How is pavlik chinny he took hard shots frm bhop. calzaghe went down frm 1 right hand.

He is chinny, he did a little dance at one stage, Calzaghe went down, was he in any trouble whatsoever form that knockdown?

Fanboys like you are not good for the game, Kessler and Bute would outclass Your boy like i always said, hes basic fighter with no great movement, i just love some americans they slate Calzaghe to the hills and back for being the most over rated boxer ever, then do exactly the same about Pavlik who has beat one world champion. Priceless!!

Joe Calzaghe also looked like going down twice against Bernard Hopkins, at the end of the 4th round i believe. When he was stunned by right two right hands from Bernard Hopkins. And Joe Calzaghe has a solid chin so for Bernard Hopkins to put Joe Calzaghe down, and almost put him down for a second time.

Mean's that he can hurt top class fighters with one punch, i don't think Kelly Pavlik looked close to going down. His legs did go to jelly about 3 times but he never looked in any danger of going down, Kelly Pavlik's chin isn't as good as Joe Calzaghe's but i don't think his chin is as bad as your saying either. And he has excellent recovery powers aswell IMO.

[kingfrnk]

I guess Miranda was hype and Pavlik is a bad style for Taylor. Pavlik looked dire real dire any big name at 168 would ruin him. He is also very chinny.

How is pavlik chinny he took hard shots frm bhop. calzaghe went down frm 1 right hand.

He is chinny, he did a little dance at one stage, Calzaghe went down, was he in any trouble whatsoever form that knockdown?

Fanboys like you are not good for the game, Kessler and Bute would outclass Your boy like i always said, hes basic fighter with no great movement, i just love some americans they slate Calzaghe to the hills and back for being the most over rated boxer ever, then do exactly the same about Pavlik who has beat one world champion. Priceless!!

why am i a fanboy cause i like pavlik then that case alot guys here are fanboys u dumbass. and if pavlik was chinny how come he never went down? he hit pavlik more than he hit winky, tarver, and taylor and the only one that went down was tarver.

[GuyIncognito76]

Bloody hell! Calzaghe was caught off balance.

[Greig]

You guys are backing me up here - Pavlik would lose to anybody at 168. I agree.

That's why he should be fighting at 160, no higher.

[porkypara]

I guess Miranda was hype and Pavlik is a bad style for Taylor. Pavlik looked dire real dire any big name at 168 would ruin him. He is also very chinny.

He has only lost one fight for fuck sake.

How can you say any big name at 168 would ruin him

Hoplkins has proven that he can give anyody lots of problems.Pavliks style was made for Hopkins but against most other fighters around the weight Pavlik would win.

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

Tarver's glove touched the canvas didn't it. that's hardly what i call a knockdwon. Technically yes but not much of a knockdown. Tarver went off balance.

[C-Lo]

I guess Miranda was hype and Pavlik is a bad style for Taylor. Pavlik looked dire real dire any big name at 168 would ruin him. He is also very chinny.

How is pavlik chinny he took hard shots frm bhop. calzaghe went down frm 1 right hand.

Each time Pavlik was hurt from B-hop he landed a bunch of shots. Whenever Calzaghe was hurt from Bernard, it was from one shot.

But for sake of a debate, Calzaghe getting knocked down was a fact. Kelly never hit the canvas having taken more shots from Bernard.

Pavlik took some of Hopkins' best shots, chinny isn't a good word.

[richard (mossley)]

Off what I saw Kessler would knock Pavlik out. I would like to see that.

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

Pavlik couldn't cope with hopkins speed of body or hand movement. he did really well against taylor but couldn't even hit hopkins.

[SweetPea]

Fighters make this mistake over and over and over again. When you move up in weight, there's not a rule saying you have to put on extra weight!!!!!!

Pavlik should have trained just like he does for a 160 pound fight. He's never lost at that weight, why change anything?

I thought Pavlik would win the fight, but when I saw he weighed in at 169, that was a red flag to me.

This same issue will come up with Oscar-Pac. Manny should train exactly like he did for the Diaz fight at 135. If Manny weighs in at more than 137 or 138 pounds, that's a very bad sign IMO.