The Margarito thing.

[donnydarkoIRL]

I've refrained from comment to this point, but I invite the logical amongst you to have a think about some of these points.

Margarito's primary assett was and is his chin. He is a survivor, a man that wades through hell and in most cases drowns his opponent in the late rounds.

He is not now, nor has he ever been a devastating puncher.
-With "loaded gloves" would Tony not have many more straight KO's to his record?

-Margarito has been seen to dominate much larger opponents in sparring.
Do people believe that Margarito wears these handwraps every time he spars?

-Punch Power did not lose him the Sugar fight. Body punching and a consistent albeit flicking jab took the fight from him.

-Tony landed plenty on Paul Williams (high and to the body) in the second half of their fight. Paul's no SugarShane chin-wise, so if Margarito had plaster in his gloves, would Paul have survived?

[Howlin Mad Missy]

His corner also stunk. 'Do more' 'Land your right' - No suggestions on how to do that?


His technique was not so good. He's a tough guy for sure BUT against Moseley he was square on, stood in front of SSm all night long just waiting to get hit. He fell in behind his cross repeatedly which left his feet square and off balance...that got more sloppy as the fight went on and resulted in him getting knocked down in the 8th.

If I can see it I sure as hell (hope) the professionals can/did.

[Bomp]

Loading gloves is a despicable crime, which is why emotions have run high since.

What we know is that there were objections to the wraps and they were changed. In all previous Marg fights he does the in ring interview with the gloves off, shakingn people's hands - if he consistently cheated how did no one notice his 'rock hard' wraps?

[Homicide Hank]

I've refrained from comment to this point, but I invite the logical amongst you to have a think about some of these points.

Margarito's primary assett was and is his chin. He is a survivor, a man that wades through hell and in most cases drowns his opponent in the late rounds.

He is not now, nor has he ever been a devastating puncher.
-With "loaded gloves" would Tony not have many more straight KO's to his record?

-Margarito has been seen to dominate much larger opponents in sparring.
Do people believe that Margarito wears these handwraps every time he spars?

-Punch Power did not lose him the Sugar fight. Body punching and a consistent albeit flicking jab took the fight from him.

-Tony landed plenty on Paul Williams (high and to the body) in the second half of their fight. Paul's no SugarShane chin-wise, so if Margarito had plaster in his gloves, would Paul have survived?

All very valid points, also I do not care what anyone says if he had been doing it all this time by now he would have been caught, get away with it a few times sure but every fight no.

One thing I do not understand about some comments made not only on the board here but in others is how do people actually think the hand wraps loaded, unloaded or anything thing else effects a mans chin? Your chin takes the shots not your hands.

Tony looked out of shape, weak, stamina was not there and Shane Mosley put it all together that night that is why he beat Margarito, I think even if the wraps had not been found it would have been the same outcome

[Macho]

Good Post Donny , if you ask if Margaro would not have more KO in his record with loaded gloves ? IMO it depends probably he didn't use it with all of his opponents , now there is a lot of doubts and yes he has been seen in dominate more larger opponents in sparing but i don't think that he could do that thing in the sparing , Would we can think if he probably used this only with opponents that represented risk for him or his corner ?

[antimoron]

You are not cheating if you don't get caught. Isn't it?

Im not insinuating that Marg was doing it all the time but people seems to judge his whole career like he does load his gloves everytime he fights. Well we always suspect but come on.. What the hell are those people from the opposite side or commissioners doing during inspection when he wraps his hands.

He only got caught last time out. So before that incident everything was legal in my opinion.

[fan johnny]

Loading gloves is a despicable crime, which is why emotions have run high since.

What we know is that there were objections to the wraps and they were changed. In all previous Marg fights he does the in ring interview with the gloves off, shakingn people's hands - if he consistently cheated how did no one notice his 'rock hard' wraps?

Ok, I've read this too many time now. The premise is extra strips of gauze, because it is softer that tape, is used to protect the knuckles. The cheat is, plaster is used instead of the gauze. Tape is used to wrap the hands. No one will notice the gauze is actually plaster because the material "looks" very similar. You have to touch it to deturmine is is different. Tape is covering the gauze/plaster and is wrapped tightly around the hands and is hard to the touch and will not be easily detected without applying pressure to the knuckles. You don't shake a guy by his knuckles. So no worries on Margrarito's part.

Now some of you might say it needs water. Sweat is the substitute. It might not be enough depending on the sweat of the individual. I recall reading Richardson mentioned it was wet. If no one is watching you get wrapped then you can wet it when it is applied. If someone is watching you get your hands wrapped sweat will just have to do.

[Boxerharvey]

I saw an interview with Shane Mosley today and he said that he saw the hand wraps that are in question and he believes that the reason Margarito's corner put something extra into the wrap was to protect Tonys hands as he was having problems with them. Mosley also said Margarito should not be blamed for the hand wrap issue as things like hand wrapping are left for his corner to take care of and all a fighter wants to do is concentrate on the fight ahead and not what his corner are doing with his wraps. Therefore the corner should be punished not the fighter.

Said it before and I will say it again Shane is a very classey guy, many other fighters in this situation would have used the wraps issue to make the other fighter look like a liar and a cheat but not Mosley.

[boozeboxer]

I saw an interview with Shane Mosley today and he said that he saw the hand wraps that are in question and he believes that the reason Margarito's corner put something extra into the wrap was to protect Tonys hands as he was having problems with them. Mosley also said Margarito should not be blamed for the hand wrap issue as things like hand wrapping are left for his corner to take care of and all a fighter wants to do is concentrate on the fight ahead and not what his corner are doing with his wraps. Therefore the corner should be punished not the fighter.

Said it before and I will say it again Shane is a very classey guy, many other fighters in this situation would have used the wraps issue to make the other fighter look like a liar and a cheat but not Mosley.

How can you not love a classy guy like Sugar Shane??

[OumaFan]

I like Shane a lot, was real happy when he won, and do think he's a classy guy but if you want to be cynical I guess you could say he doesn't want to have the steroid thing thrown back in his face, maybe that has nothing to do with it, I don't know.

I've been out of the loop, just checked back up on this, here's an article: HBO: Boxing: WCB: Margarito vs. Mosley: THE TALE OF THE TAPING Margarito's peoples excuse is sketchy to me, and I also think the idea that he didn't know, or just started using them that particular fight are both questionable. Not saying its out of the question I guess, but I'm definitely leaning in one direction, we will see I guess.

[OumaFan]

And about Margarito's power, he never really had many early or spectacular knockouts cause he's not a crisp puncher, he's not going to catch you with some thing huge that you didn't see because he's just that quick. That and he doesn't land as many clean shots as some other guys. But he is a powerful guy, and from fighters reactions his punches always seemed to "hurt" if that makes sense, he was a thudding puncher who had a lot behind his shots.

Did that have anything to do with handwraps, I don't know.

[Spicoli]

I saw an interview with Shane Mosley today and he said that he saw the hand wraps that are in question and he believes that the reason Margarito's corner put something extra into the wrap was to protect Tonys hands as he was having problems with them. Mosley also said Margarito should not be blamed for the hand wrap issue as things like hand wrapping are left for his corner to take care of and all a fighter wants to do is concentrate on the fight ahead and not what his corner are doing with his wraps. Therefore the corner should be punished not the fighter.

Said it before and I will say it again Shane is a very classey guy, many other fighters in this situation would have used the wraps issue to make the other fighter look like a liar and a cheat but not Mosley.

Shane also said he saw both wraps first hand and at the time it looked soft and just regular......someone needs to get him a copy of the script ?Mosley is class,always has been,and another reason he probally isn't playing pile on Tony is that he's thinking...."Hey,remember ME.I won the fight"