When a ref says "TEN!"

[Lance Uppercut]

When a ref says "TEN!" doesn't that mean the fighter was knocked out? I always thought it did. In discussing the Cintron knockout, it seemed that Kellerman and that HBO crew were saying that a fighter must only be on his feet by the count of "ten", and that the ref saying "ten" does not necessarily constitute a knock out.

[Phil]

yeah the way I'd see it is the ref says ten thats the count over, end of fight... if the fighters up before 10 theres no need for the ref to say 10

[HattonTheHammer]

i clearly heard the ref reach 10 and then throw his arms out to indicate that the fight was over...then kind of freeze as cintron argued it was a headbutt and change his mind!!

Im all for refs taking time in order to get the correct decision, but when a fighter fails to make it to his feet come the count of 10 the fight should be over..end of

[DaxxKahn]

A ighter must be on his feet standing erect and able to walk forward towards the referee by or on the count of ten

[RP33]

It was a very close call, but on TV they slowed it down and showed that his knee was off the ground before the ref said 10.

I mean, let's all thing logically here. Everyone put one knee on the ground, and say out loud, "ten". As you start the word, lift your knee off of the ground. OMG, you managed to lift your knee off of the ground before you finished saying ten.

Also, a lot of times when someone is counted out the full 10 count, they are almost always visibly unable to get up. If a fighter is on one knee, waits for the 8 count, plus 9 and gets up at the last second, I think that unless the fighter struggles to get up, then you should let him continue. It was so close to the point where Cintron clearly was able to get up, and did so.

I do think it was controversial though, because the ref hesitated before he said 10, but what can you do?

[HattonTheHammer]

It was a very close call, but on TV they slowed it down and showed that his knee was off the ground before the ref said 10.

I mean, let's all thing logically here. Everyone put one knee on the ground, and say out loud, "ten". As you start the word, lift your knee off of the ground. OMG, you managed to lift your knee off of the ground before you finished saying ten.

Also, a lot of times when someone is counted out the full 10 count, they are almost always visibly unable to get up. If a fighter is on one knee, waits for the 8 count, plus 9 and gets up at the last second, I think that unless the fighter struggles to get up, then you should let him continue. It was so close to the point where Cintron clearly was able to get up, and did so.

I do think it was controversial though, because the ref hesitated before he said 10, but what can you do?

the standard procedure is to be up by 8 and even if he did make the count why the hell didnt the ref ask him to come forward with his gloves up just to make sure he was ready to fight rather than chuck his arms in the air.

Cintron was far from out of it but rules are rules and that should of been that with kermit getting counted out through sheer stupidity

[The Fightfan]

I don't know. Something is just off about this fight. The fight being over and then back on again. Also the ridiculous scorecards at the end of this fight. Seems to me someone was looking out for Cintron in this fight. I would hope this fight will be investigated.

[ClubberLang]

The thing that confused me was that Kellerman kept going on and on about Cintron's gloves being off the canvas before ten, and so the ref got the call right. Is there some rule that if the round ends you need only have your gloves off the canvas before ten to be considered "up"? If so, what the hell kind of rule is that? If not, what the hell was Kellerman talking about?