After Wlad ko's Haye in the 12th, where will he stand on the All Time Greats list?

[Dave Hughey]

The Klits are the biggest, strongest, most athletic heavyweight boxersof all-time. Plus, they hit hard. They are certainly faster than any boxer I can remember for their size. They've got amazingly quick reflexes. I see them dodging most punches by backing straight up, like Ali. They have dominated the heavyweight division like no other champions.

Now we get to see if Wlad can call the round like Ali. Punish another great fighter like Haye. I've watched Haye. He's a great fighter. Fast, hits like a horse kicks.

But watch the Klits. I saw somebody criticize them for their jab, jab, jab, LOL. Amazing that someone would criticize them for that! LOL. I've always heard the jab was the greatest weapon and sets up everything else.

But it's more than just a jab, jab, jab. Watch them closely. Watch their eyes. They are watching their opponent intently, punishing him with the jab while they watch and focus on and watch and watch their opponent's pattern and figure out exactly how they are going to take him apart.

It (usually) takes 10 to 20 years for the ATG's to be recognized. I'm going to stick my neck out and say the Klits will be recognized as ATG's. I hope to live to see that happen.

I'm not saying HW p4p ATG's. So please don't throw Marciano at me. I'm saying toe to toe in the ring in their prime ATG's.

[BIG H]

Wlad is one of the most boring Heavyweights of all time. His record sucks and he has been battered by 3 nobodies!

[Mo Frazier]

Wlad is one of the most boring Heavyweights of all time. His record sucks and he has been battered by 3 nobodies!

54-3 sucks? Surely you kid? So, I guess you would go 57-0, no?

[BIG H]

Wlad is one of the most boring Heavyweights of all time. His record sucks and he has been battered by 3 nobodies!

54-3 sucks? Surely you kid? So, I guess you would go 57-0, no?

I don't care if he has fought 100 times, his resume sucks. It's not his fault that this is one of the weakest era's in Heavyweight history, but it's still a fact

Best Wins

Chris Byrd, Haism Rahman, Sam Pter

Stopped by

Corrie Who?
Ross Who?
Lamont Who?


In the context of all time greats (which is what the thread is about) his record sucks!

[El Kabong]

I don't care if he has fought 100 times, his resume sucks. It's not his fault that this is one of the weakest era's in Heavyweight history, but it's still a fact

Best Wins

Chris Byrd, Haism Rahman, Sam Pter

Stopped by

Corrie Who?
Ross Who?
Lamont Who?


In the context of all time greats (which is what the thread is about) his record sucks!

....man you know what BigH you're right, I mean people would respect him more had he lost to someone like Oliver McCall or Buster Douglas!

[BIG H]

I don't care if he has fought 100 times, his resume sucks. It's not his fault that this is one of the weakest era's in Heavyweight history, but it's still a fact

Best Wins

Chris Byrd, Haism Rahman, Sam Pter

Stopped by

Corrie Who?
Ross Who?
Lamont Who?


In the context of all time greats (which is what the thread is about) his record sucks!

....man you know what BigH you're right, I mean people would respect him more had he lost to someone like Oliver McCall or Buster Douglas!

Certainly would mate

[killersheep]

Wlad is one of the most boring Heavyweights of all time. His record sucks and he has been battered by 3 nobodies!

Name two heavyweights that are still active TODAY with better records.

[BIG H]

Wlad is one of the most boring Heavyweights of all time. His record sucks and he has been battered by 3 nobodies!

Name two heavyweights that are still active TODAY with better records.

What's that got do with anything. The thread is about whether he is an ATG and as explained in the post directly above, in that context his record sucks balls!

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Based on his short domination and unification attempts, I used to have Mike Tyson clinging on to the No.10 spot on my little top 10 list.
However, I always said that if Wladimir Klitschko unified the division, I'd happily regard him as the 10th best Heavyweight ever.

There really is no point picking holes in his opposition. For me it's about being a dominant champion, regardless of the era you fight in.
Besides, how often do you see a heavyweight fighting other 'great' heavyweights (that aren't washed up or out of their better suited weight class)?

Not often. Infact, hardly ever

Those that do, or have, i think you'll find are quite high up on your respective Top.10's... So there's definitely space for Wladdy somewhere

[BIG H]

Based on his short domination and unification attempts, I used to have Mike Tyson clinging on to the No.10 spot on my little top 10 list.
However, I always said that if Wladimir Klitschko unified the division, I'd happily regard him as the 10th best Heavyweight ever.

There really is no point picking holes in his opposition. For me it's about being a dominant champion, regardless of the era you fight in.
Besides, how often do you see a heavyweight fighting other 'great' heavyweights (that aren't washed up or out of their better suited weight class)?

Not often. Infact, hardly ever

Those that do, or have, i think you'll find are quite high up on your respective Top.10's... So there's definitely space for Wladdy somewhere

Even after getting KTFO in his Pomp, 3 no marks?

Which other top 10 ATG would have lost in or around their prime, to opposition as poor as Wlad has!

[ono]

Wlad is one of the most boring Heavyweights of all time. His record sucks and he has been battered by 3 nobodies!

Name two heavyweights that are still active TODAY with better records.

To be fair he was responding to the OP's claim of both Klitschko's being ATGs, so i think BIG H's comment is in relation to the resumes of other Heavyweight ATGs.

[Dave Hughey]

Wlad is one of the most boring Heavyweights of all time. His record sucks and he has been battered by 3 nobodies!

Unfortunately, this thread is not about who bores you. It is about who comes out on top in toe to toe fights among the great heavyweights.

[mattboxingfan]

Wlad is one of the most boring Heavyweights of all time. His record sucks and he has been battered by 3 nobodies!

Unfortunately, this thread is not about who bores you. It is about who comes out on top in toe to toe fights among the great heavyweights.

When has Wlad ever gone toe to toe? I must have missed that fight or was it when he got KTFO? by nobodys!

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

Wlad is one of the most boring Heavyweights of all time. His record sucks and he has been battered by 3 nobodies!

Unfortunately, this thread is not about who bores you. It is about who comes out on top in toe to toe fights among the great heavyweights.

When has Wlad ever gone toe to toe? I must have missed that fight or was it when he got KTFO? by nobodys!

You guys are confusing the hell out of me. I'm not a Klitschko fan but I can look at them objectively. Who are the nobodies? Purrity was but other than that he lost to a very strong 38-2(at the time) Corrie Sanders and a determined 29-2(at the time) Lamon Brewster. Although I think Wlad is a boring fighter and am not a fan, it's neither here nor there. Neither Corrie Sanders or Lamon Brewster are nobodies. I think your bias may be getting in the way of your objectivity.

[ICB]

Unfortunately, this thread is not about who bores you. It is about who comes out on top in toe to toe fights among the great heavyweights.

When has Wlad ever gone toe to toe? I must have missed that fight or was it when he got KTFO? by nobodys!

You guys are confusing the hell out of me. I'm not a Klitschko fan but I can look at them objectively. Who are the nobodies? Purrity was but other than that he lost to a very strong 38-2(at the time) Corrie Sanders and a determined 29-2(at the time) Lamon Brewster. Although I think Wlad is a boring fighter and am not a fan, it's neither here nor there. Neither Corrie Sanders or Lamon Brewster are nobodies. I think your bias may be getting in the way of your objectivity.

Corrie Sanders doesn't even take boxing serious, he likes golf more than he likes boxing. Corrie Sander's isn't bad and he has some good handspeed. But he lost to Hasim Rahman, Vitali Klitschko, in his biggest fights.

His only one good win was over Wladimir Klitschko, other than that he done virtually nothing. Had he not have beaten Wladimir Klitschko, the Klitschko fans would not be calling him a dangerous opponent.

Lamon Brewster in all honesty isn't that bad, he has some good pop. And is a brave fighter, but he has some serious flaws. Which is why he got beaten up by Clifford Eitenne. That shows you the kind of level he is at.