So why did JMM fight Chris John for 30k instead of Pac for 750k in '05?

[generalbulldog]

Ever since JMM's amazing tko of Katsidis quite a few boxing fans wants to see a 3rd fight between Pac and JMM and the word is that Pac is scared of JMM because of 2 tough fights. I don't believe that. IMO, both of them would have finish a trilogy if JMM took the rematch against Pac in early '05 for 750k instead of Chris John in Indonesia for 30k and losing. If they had fought in early '05 and finish up the trilogy in 06, 07 or 08 there wouldn't be talk of a 3rd fight and how one guy is scared of the other. So basically if anyone knows, tell me why did JMM take a huge paycut and fight some unknown in his country for 35k instead of Pac for 750k? Because JMM wants a 3rd fight badly, but the 3rd fight would have happened in '06, 07, or 08 if he just accepted the rematch in early '05. Bad move financially on JMM's part for fighting John for 30k. Instead Pac went on to fight Morales 3 times.

Early last year, a proposed deal was on the table for a Marquez rematch versus Pacquiao (they had fought to an exciting draw in April 2004). But instead of taking the $750,000 payday -- and more important, the opportunity and exposure it could have brought -- Beristain reportedly demanded $1.5 million (which was the license fee from HBO for both sides to split).

Marquezes short of the mark on marketability - boxing - ESPN

[ICB]

Ever since JMM's amazing tko of Katsidis quite a few boxing fans wants to see a 3rd fight between Pac and JMM and the word is that Pac is scared of JMM because of 2 tough fights. I don't believe that. IMO, both of them would have finish a trilogy if JMM took the rematch against Pac in early '05 for 750k instead of Chris John in Indonesia for 30k and losing. If they had fought in early '05 and finish up the trilogy in 06, 07 or 08 there wouldn't be talk of a 3rd fight and how one guy is scared of the other. So basically if anyone knows, tell me why did JMM take a huge paycut and fight some unknown in his country for 35k instead of Pac for 750k? Because JMM wants a 3rd fight badly, but the 3rd fight would have happened in '06, 07, or 08 if he just accepted the rematch in early '05. Bad move financially on JMM's part for fighting John for 30k. Instead Pac went on to fight Morales 3 times.

Early last year, a proposed deal was on the table for a Marquez rematch versus Pacquiao (they had fought to an exciting draw in April 2004). But instead of taking the $750,000 payday -- and more important, the opportunity and exposure it could have brought -- Beristain reportedly demanded $1.5 million (which was the license fee from HBO for both sides to split).

Marquezes short of the mark on marketability - boxing - ESPN

No idea why but all i know is that JMM was screwed against Chris John, and it took him awhile to get his status up again. And its a shame there wasn't an immediate rematch, because JMM probably would of beaten Manny Pacquiao at that point in there careers.

[OumaFan]

I think it was a matter of him basically going along with what Beristain wanted. Apparently he (Beristain) didn't think the money was as good as it should have been so he pulled a massive cut off your nose to spite your face move.

However if the show was on the other foot the anti-Pacquaio obsessives would no doubt have hammered him nonstop over it. This has been conveniently forgotten by most of them.

[generalbulldog]

I think it was a matter of him basically going along with what Beristain wanted. Apparently he (Beristain) didn't think the money was as good as it should have been so he pulled a massive cut off your nose to spite your face move.

However if the show was on the other foot the anti-Pacquaio obsessives would no doubt have hammered him nonstop over it. This has been conveniently forgotten by most of them.

Yep, people are still saying that Pac waited years for a rematch, because he was scared when 1 was on the table to fight in March of '05, 10 months after they first fought.

So if JMM had taken that fight, the trilogy would have been with JMM and not Morales. And maybe JMM would be making bad beer commercials with Pac for easy income instead of Morales.

[jdonaher1]

I think anybody complaining Marquez was robbed in the John fight might actually want to go watch it first. There was no way he was robbed. It was a close, hard to score fight that could have gone either way. That's not getting robbed.

[:::PSL:::]

Pac is obviously running the show now. If I were him I would price myself out rediculously . Reading these articles, it seems to me JMM is deperate to have the trilogy. I wouldn't be surprise if he accepts a 90/10 purse split deal in favor of Pac for a 147 showdown.

[JonnyFolds]

I think anybody complaining Marquez was robbed in the John fight might actually want to go watch it first. There was no way he was robbed. It was a close, hard to score fight that could have gone either way. That's not getting robbed.

milmascaras1 has obviously never seen the fight. I was hoping somebody would chime in with something actually pertaining to the fight, not just some bogus opinion about how the fight might have gone.

[ICB]

I think anybody complaining Marquez was robbed in the John fight might actually want to go watch it first. There was no way he was robbed. It was a close, hard to score fight that could have gone either way. That's not getting robbed.

I've seen the fight JMM did not deserve to have points taken away, clearly the ref was biased. And despite all that he still deserved to win, infact the only fight i thought JMM lost is the one with Floyd Mayweather Jr, but that was at a weightclass he isn't comfortable at.

But his other losses against John, Pacquiao, Norwood, i thought he won them all. JMM certainly has been hard done by in his career, and if he didn't move up in weight with a huge disadvantage against Floyd Mayweather Jr, and he would of got the decision in all those fights i mentioned above. Which i think he should have, he would be P4P number 1 IMO. And would have been seen as probably the best of this decade or atleast 2nd best, but now he has to live in the shadows against the likes of Mayweather, Pacquiao, which isn't fair.

Because JMM doesn't need to talk shit or ETC, he just fights the best and lets his fists do the talking.

[miron_lang]

Yep, people are still saying that Pac waited years for a rematch, because he was scared when 1 was on the table to fight in March of '05, 10 months after they first fought.

So if JMM had taken that fight, the trilogy would have been with JMM and not Morales. And maybe JMM would be making bad beer commercials with Pac for easy income instead of Morales.

WTF are you talking about? Have you tasted San Miguel?

It is ranked as one of the best beers in the world.

better yet you must try RED HORSE beer. I know people from other forums order this beer from the Philippines. Its quite strong at 8% and tastes good too.


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[generalbulldog]

Ever since JMM's amazing tko of Katsidis quite a few boxing fans wants to see a 3rd fight between Pac and JMM and the word is that Pac is scared of JMM because of 2 tough fights. I don't believe that. IMO, both of them would have finish a trilogy if JMM took the rematch against Pac in early '05 for 750k instead of Chris John in Indonesia for 30k and losing. If they had fought in early '05 and finish up the trilogy in 06, 07 or 08 there wouldn't be talk of a 3rd fight and how one guy is scared of the other. So basically if anyone knows, tell me why did JMM take a huge paycut and fight some unknown in his country for 35k instead of Pac for 750k? Because JMM wants a 3rd fight badly, but the 3rd fight would have happened in '06, 07, or 08 if he just accepted the rematch in early '05. Bad move financially on JMM's part for fighting John for 30k. Instead Pac went on to fight Morales 3 times.

Early last year, a proposed deal was on the table for a Marquez rematch versus Pacquiao (they had fought to an exciting draw in April 2004). But instead of taking the $750,000 payday -- and more important, the opportunity and exposure it could have brought -- Beristain reportedly demanded $1.5 million (which was the license fee from HBO for both sides to split).

Marquezes short of the mark on marketability - boxing - ESPN

No idea why but all i know is that JMM was screwed against Chris John, and it took him awhile to get his status up again. And its a shame there wasn't an immediate rematch, because JMM probably would of beaten Manny Pacquiao at that point in there careers.

I agree, but the rematch was offered for a fight in early '05, meaning instead of fighting Morales for the 1st time, Pac would have fought JMM a 2nd time. JMM should have taken it, because he had a very good chance of beating him in '05 in the rematch. People were scratching their heads saying WTF?

Shaw agrees that passing on the Pacquiao rematch was a huge mistake.
"Absolutely, both for the money and the fact that I believe he would've beat him. And it would've made him a colossal star," he says.

Shaw agrees with Arum that going to Indonesia was something akin to managerial malpractice.
"I was mortified that they would go over there," he says. "First of all, with no representation, and I was mortified that they would go over there for $30,000. I wouldn't have chased the belt or given up the belt, whatever the case may be."

[milmascaras1]

yeah, nacho beristain's bonehead move cost marquez a lot of money! beristain felt that since marquez was the champion, he deserved more money than pacquiao whereas they would both get 750K. it was a decision made out of principle on beristain's part and it marquez dearly.

the main reason why marquez accepted a match with chris john in indonesia was the he, marquez, was stripped of his title after the pacquiao fight, and he wanted to get another title. little did he know that to beat chris john in indonesia, you've got to kill him and then you might even just get a draw.

[El Kabong]

Well I never questioned it, I just questioned why JMM wasn't able to KO Chris John. Who in my opinion is a very average fighter

[generalbulldog]

The moral of the story here kids, is that if you have a big opportunity in any field of business you're in, capitalize on it, never let opportunities slip by.

It still boggles my mind that instead of a 750k payday and fighting on neutral ground in the US, Marquez took a 30k one in a fighter's backyard.

[Fenster]

The moral of the story here kids, is that if you have a big opportunity in any field of business you're in, capitalize on it, never let opportunities slip by.

It still boggles my mind that instead of a 750k payday and fighting on neutral ground in the US, Marquez took a 30k one in a fighter's backyard.

Don't forget Beristain turned down a half-million career high payday to face Naz (you can find all the details/facts in my "ridiculous" Naz-Marquez thread. Hope this helps )

He's had a reputation as a shit manager for ages.

[fan johnny]

JMM wanted more money than was put on the table $750k?. JMM came back $1.5 Mil because supposedly Pacquiao was to get $1.4 Mil and JMM said his two belts were worth more. My guess was he and Nacho were thinking he could take Chis John's belt and then come back to the table for more money.