What's the deal with Socialism?

[El Kabong]

I've got plenty of questions and rarely get straight answers as to why people like Socialism. Socialists are a queer bunch of people, louder, more obnoxious, and dressing more shabbily than all the other liberals....also they are lazy and always stirring shit up sometimes for what they think are good reasons, other times just to go against the grain.

Loads of people wear Che Guavera shirts never realizing for a second #1 The irony that the face of communism is being sold around the world on t-shirts available for purchase at your local mall or as Che might call it "UnHoly den of Capitalist Pigs" and #2 Nobody knows what they guy did...I'm certain most people just think he was a stoner that "looked cool in a beret"

Other Socialist/Communist leaders that idiots seem to wet their beds over: Lenin, Trotsky, Marx...were all either evil murderers, proven wrong by history, or totally irrelevant other than taking a pick axe to the skull then dying.

I just don't get what's appealing to the masses about Socialism except for the lowest common denomenator "Work less, be no poorer than anyone else....only fools work hard"


Anyone got answers? miles?


Socialists can't even dress themselves or maintain proper hygiene, why the FUCK would I want to listen to them

[killersheep]

I've got plenty of questions and rarely get straight answers as to why people like Socialism.Socialists are a queer bunch of people, louder, more obnoxious, and dressing more shabbily than all the other liberals....also they are lazy and always stirring shit up sometimes for what they think are good reasons, other times just to go against the grain.

What you've just described

Socialists can't even dress themselves or maintain proper hygiene, why the FUCK would I want to listen to them

Have no idea why a socialist wouldn't want to explain themselves to you.

[Andre]

People like to lose themselves in crap.
Both sides are full of crap and lies though its what keeps them debating their own crap is better than the other crap.
Self serving, instead of having to actually do something physical about any of the shit personally, they can blame the other team for half of it and pretend a vote will fix the other half.

[El Kabong]

Larry The Cable Guy has a job, or at least its implied.

Socialism is just a load of crap

[Andre]

Larry The Cable Guy has a job, or at least its implied.

Socialism is just a load of crap

A bowel that forms some of the crap.

[CFH]

I think that socialism, like any ideology, is dangerous when taken to extremes. Totalitarianism, regardless of the mask it wears, is always a bad thing.

I do believe strongly in the value of social democracy though, for reasons I am sure we have discussed a thousand times over.

[El Kabong]

I think that socialism, like any ideology, is dangerous when taken to extremes. Totalitarianism, regardless of the mask it wears, is always a bad thing.

I do believe strongly in the value of social democracy though, for reasons I am sure we have discussed a thousand times over.

What exactly do you like about it? And have the things you liked ever been sustainable or successfully used by a government in real life?

The Socialist idea of constant revolution, to me is ridiculous and if you're constantly revolting #1 You can't make serious progress and #2 At a certain moment you turn from a revolution of ideas to just pure blood lust like France did in their revolution. Of course that isn't ALL socialists just the "shit stirrers" like a Lenin or Guavera.

[El Kabong]

CFH, I don't mean to crap on your beliefs I just don't get it. Like Punk Rock...if you're a Punk band you pride yourself on a certain lack of popularity, however popularity = money and money = success, economic security but to their fans success = bourgeois, sell outs, all things bad. Much is the same with the Socialist leaders, hell Lenin was shot by a former supporter who though he had "sold out", Mexico had their hearts broken several times by Socialist leaders in their revolution, Robespierre "sold out", Castro "sold out" so lamented El Che....I mean I've never seen nor heard of a successful, well liked Socialist leader that didn't threaten to murder any opposition.

Its a game you can't win IMO which is one of many reasons I can't wrap my head around it.

[Andre]

I cant get my head around it either mate.
Which one are you thinking about?
Real Communism,? The hippy version of living freely in a commune and swapping labour for food or the socialist movement and whats the attraction there?

I recon theres a bit of an attraction for the basic anti estabilshmentarians (a bit like Ned Kelly folk hero worship or the local biker chapter style of freedom). Probably an attraction for the anarchists and one for the free loving hippies too they all view it like an easier spring board to their higher ideals.

I recon the hippies are a joke, they smoke it up and have lost the plot, as there cannot be an equal state of loving existence when the production of all they will end up desiring is not grown for free, like their eventual health care and age care which they will leave their communes for eventually, and seek repairs at others expense.

You cannot have free state of being without free markets. Even the strictest communist regimes had their leaders and their picking orders from the top down and they sat back smoking the best cigars eating well and living rich lifestyles of the evenings.

Then they went out in the day and yell out fantastic sounding ideals at the men and women who still toiled in the mud and supplied the basics to make the intricate things they would never get to see or use themselves.

Fuckwits.

[El Kabong]

Well that's the problem Andre, to me you may as well speak in Chinese whether you say Socialist/Anarchist/Communist/Populist...it's all the same far left idealistic hogwash. The only people I think of that had any positive support behind them never really attained much power, Eugene V. Debs & Huey Long....and Huey was assasinated. Debs was one of those "Shit Stirrers" and wound up in jail thanks to his actions during World War I.

It's great to think you can help your neighbor, your friends, anyone that's had a hard time, and I admire that, I just don't want my government to do it. That's what charities are for and churches, and the kindness of your average everyday Joe. To me Welfare CREATES dependents and I am against that for people and for businesses.

[ruthless rocco]

Well that's the problem Andre, to me you may as well speak in Chinese whether you say Socialist/Anarchist/Communist/Populist...it's all the same far left idealistic hogwash. The only people I think of that had any positive support behind them never really attained much power, Eugene V. Debs & Huey Long....and Huey was assasinated. Debs was one of those "Shit Stirrers" and wound up in jail thanks to his actions during World War I.

It's great to think you can help your neighbor, your friends, anyone that's had a hard time, and I admire that, I just don't want my government to do it. That's what charities are for and churches, and the kindness of your average everyday Joe. To me Welfare CREATES dependents and I am against that for people and for businesses.

gotta love those ignorant americans. not all americans, just the truely ignorant ones.

your government has raped and plundered every nation it could in it's rise to global supremacy, and you've benefitted by it...but thats all in the past. the mighty USofA has already begun to spiral out of control. it won't be long til you'll be at the mercy of all the people around the world you've fucked over.

you can be sure there won't be much kindness shown to you then.

[El Kabong]

gotta love those ignorant americans. not all americans, just the truely ignorant ones.

your government has raped and plundered every nation it could in it's rise to global supremacy, and you've benefitted by it...but thats all in the past. the mighty USofA has already begun to spiral out of control. it won't be long til you'll be at the mercy of all the people around the world you've fucked over.

you can be sure there won't be much kindness shown to you then.

Nobody said the United States was perfect.....but your comment is as devoid of examples as it is of thought so I'll just await a proper well thought out response before I put you in your place via debate.

[Andre]

Well that's the problem Andre, to me you may as well speak in Chinese whether you say Socialist/Anarchist/Communist/Populist...it's all the same far left idealistic hogwash. The only people I think of that had any positive support behind them never really attained much power, Eugene V. Debs & Huey Long....and Huey was assasinated. Debs was one of those "Shit Stirrers" and wound up in jail thanks to his actions during World War I.

It's great to think you can help your neighbor, your friends, anyone that's had a hard time, and I admire that, I just don't want my government to do it. That's what charities are for and churches, and the kindness of your average everyday Joe. To me Welfare CREATES dependents and I am against that for people and for businesses.

gotta love those ignorant americans. not all americans, just the truely ignorant ones.

your government has raped and plundered every nation it could in it's rise to global supremacy, and you've benefitted by it...but thats all in the past. the mighty USofA has already begun to spiral out of control. it won't be long til you'll be at the mercy of all the people around the world you've fucked over.

you can be sure there won't be much kindness shown to you then.

I agree. There wont be any kindness shown to the western nations they will run us all like sheep and eradicate all those who are not of use to them physically, probably eat our pets too.

[El Kabong]

America has done more good for the world than some people care to realize or admit. We're not "all good" but we're not "all bad" either and most of the mistakes we've made have been well intentioned & we haven't been alone in making them.

I'm awaiting someone to mention a system that's worked better, put more roofs over more heads, fed and clothed more people than the American way......I don't think there is such a system, it certainly isn't some socialist one I can tell you that right now

[Andre]

People always looking for someone to blame : America tall poppy about to get head taken off maybe. Maybe the ass will attack the head before someone else gets to it who knows .