Thomas Dulorme vs. Luis Carlos Abregu Saturday night fight/chat thread

[TitoFan]

I'm more familiar with some than others... but my personal favorites are the Arroyo twins. McWilliams more than McJoe. But yeah... they need to step up in class of opponent. I think McWilliams is championship material. Jonathan Gonzalez (flyweight) is awesome, in my opinion. A lot of potential there. I'm not down on Cesar Seda. He lost to Omar Narvaez, but has since bounced back. Luis Cruz disappointed me in his loss to Burgos and yeah... I see nothing there, unfortunately. I see nothing in his style that would allow him to go far. And I've never been a big believer in Carlos Negron. It would be nice to have a good P.R. heavyweight.... but Carlos has always looked a bit chinny to me. Too lanky and chinny to compete at the elite level.

Who's considered the better prospect out of Camilo Perez, Braulio Santos and Miguel Soto

Well... they're all very popular locally. But I'd have to say Braulio, with Camilo not far behind. Braulio has scary power, and carries himself well. Camilo I'd say has deceptive power, not to be dismissed... but more than that, he moves around the ring pretty well. Soto is very popular with local crowds, but I'm not sure he's considered a "can't miss" prospect.

Can't miss must not mean what it use to mean considering so many have been missing (Negron is gonna get murdered fighting as a heavyweight). And more will follow. I know Jose Pedraza has that Olympic hype behind him. But he hasn't looked all that impressve in recent fights. His power seems to be just average. Abner Cotto is just living off Jose Cotto's name. He's not good enough to deserve to live off Miguel's name. Jayson Velez and Jose Gonzalez are no better than the Junior Middlewight Jonathan Gonzalez. Who I don't think much of at all. Before all this pointless "hate" talk starts, I think very highly of the little Jonathan Gonzalez. And I been intrigued by Jorge Maysonet and Jeffrey Fontanez. Maysonet in paticular has my interest

Ok, let's replace "can't miss" with "good chance to be fighting for a title in the future." With that being said, I would apply that label to both Braulio Santos and Camilo Perez. By the way, I'm in full agreement with Maysonet. The youngster doesn't have many rounds under his belt yet... but he looks extremely sharp. Good power... good ring movement... and no sign of a weak chin yet. I must say, I'm pleasantly surprised at your knowledge of these young Puerto Rican prospects.

Of the latest Olympic crop, I'd be interested in seeing how Jantony Ortiz and Felix Verdejo will fare as professionals. The others I'm not too excited about.

[Violent Demise]

I'm more familiar with some than others... but my personal favorites are the Arroyo twins. McWilliams more than McJoe. But yeah... they need to step up in class of opponent. I think McWilliams is championship material. Jonathan Gonzalez (flyweight) is awesome, in my opinion. A lot of potential there. I'm not down on Cesar Seda. He lost to Omar Narvaez, but has since bounced back. Luis Cruz disappointed me in his loss to Burgos and yeah... I see nothing there, unfortunately. I see nothing in his style that would allow him to go far. And I've never been a big believer in Carlos Negron. It would be nice to have a good P.R. heavyweight.... but Carlos has always looked a bit chinny to me. Too lanky and chinny to compete at the elite level.

Who's considered the better prospect out of Camilo Perez, Braulio Santos and Miguel Soto

Well... they're all very popular locally. But I'd have to say Braulio, with Camilo not far behind. Braulio has scary power, and carries himself well. Camilo I'd say has deceptive power, not to be dismissed... but more than that, he moves around the ring pretty well. Soto is very popular with local crowds, but I'm not sure he's considered a "can't miss" prospect.

Can't miss must not mean what it use to mean considering so many have been missing (Negron is gonna get murdered fighting as a heavyweight). And more will follow. I know Jose Pedraza has that Olympic hype behind him. But he hasn't looked all that impressve in recent fights. His power seems to be just average. Abner Cotto is just living off Jose Cotto's name. He's not good enough to deserve to live off Miguel's name. Jayson Velez and Jose Gonzalez are no better than the Junior Middlewight Jonathan Gonzalez. Who I don't think much of at all. Before all this pointless "hate" talk starts, I think very highly of the little Jonathan Gonzalez. And I been intrigued by Jorge Maysonet and Jeffrey Fontanez. Maysonet in paticular has my interest

Ok, let's replace "can't miss" with "good chance to be fighting for a title in the future." With that being said, I would apply that label to both Braulio Santos and Camilo Perez. By the way, I'm in full agreement with Maysonet. The youngster doesn't have many rounds under his belt yet... but he looks extremely sharp. Good power... good ring movement... and no sign of a weak chin yet. I must say, I'm pleasantly surprised at your knowledge of these young Puerto Rican prospects.

Of the latest Olympic crop, I'd be interested in seeing how Jantony Ortiz and Felix Verdejo will fare as professionals. The others I'm not too excited about.

I be knowing about all prospects. Don't matter where they from. If they lace up the gloves and get in the ring I will watch and study them. I can't hold the fact if there Puerto Rican against them. It's not like they had a choice. I agree on Ortiz. Verdejo not as much. You right. The rest are garbage. I'll tell you who to keep an eye on. A youngster named Jose Lopez. Calls himself Wonder Boy, I think. Only 18 years old. He's fought on some of the same cards as Braulio Santos. I was able to see a promotor's copy of some of his fights. He's only faced bums. But he seems advanced for his age. So far that is.

[TitoFan]

I'm more familiar with some than others... but my personal favorites are the Arroyo twins. McWilliams more than McJoe. But yeah... they need to step up in class of opponent. I think McWilliams is championship material. Jonathan Gonzalez (flyweight) is awesome, in my opinion. A lot of potential there. I'm not down on Cesar Seda. He lost to Omar Narvaez, but has since bounced back. Luis Cruz disappointed me in his loss to Burgos and yeah... I see nothing there, unfortunately. I see nothing in his style that would allow him to go far. And I've never been a big believer in Carlos Negron. It would be nice to have a good P.R. heavyweight.... but Carlos has always looked a bit chinny to me. Too lanky and chinny to compete at the elite level.

Who's considered the better prospect out of Camilo Perez, Braulio Santos and Miguel Soto

Well... they're all very popular locally. But I'd have to say Braulio, with Camilo not far behind. Braulio has scary power, and carries himself well. Camilo I'd say has deceptive power, not to be dismissed... but more than that, he moves around the ring pretty well. Soto is very popular with local crowds, but I'm not sure he's considered a "can't miss" prospect.

Can't miss must not mean what it use to mean considering so many have been missing (Negron is gonna get murdered fighting as a heavyweight). And more will follow. I know Jose Pedraza has that Olympic hype behind him. But he hasn't looked all that impressve in recent fights. His power seems to be just average. Abner Cotto is just living off Jose Cotto's name. He's not good enough to deserve to live off Miguel's name. Jayson Velez and Jose Gonzalez are no better than the Junior Middlewight Jonathan Gonzalez. Who I don't think much of at all. Before all this pointless "hate" talk starts, I think very highly of the little Jonathan Gonzalez. And I been intrigued by Jorge Maysonet and Jeffrey Fontanez. Maysonet in paticular has my interest

Ok, let's replace "can't miss" with "good chance to be fighting for a title in the future." With that being said, I would apply that label to both Braulio Santos and Camilo Perez. By the way, I'm in full agreement with Maysonet. The youngster doesn't have many rounds under his belt yet... but he looks extremely sharp. Good power... good ring movement... and no sign of a weak chin yet. I must say, I'm pleasantly surprised at your knowledge of these young Puerto Rican prospects.

Of the latest Olympic crop, I'd be interested in seeing how Jantony Ortiz and Felix Verdejo will fare as professionals. The others I'm not too excited about.

I be knowing about all prospects. Don't matter where they from. If they lace up the gloves and get in the ring I will watch and study them. I can't hold the fact if there Puerto Rican against them. It's not like they had a choice. I agree on Ortiz. Verdejo not as much. You right. The rest are garbage. I'll tell you who to keep an eye on. A youngster named Jose Lopez. Calls himself Wonder Boy, I think. Only 18 years old. He's fought on some of the same cards as Braulio Santos. I was able to see a promotor's copy of some of his fights. He's only faced bums. But he seems advanced for his age. So far that is.

That would be "they're Puerto Rican". But cool.... for a racist you do have some knowledge on boxing prospects. Even for a Mexican. But I'll check on Jose Lopez, 'cause to tell the truth I've never heard of him till now.

[Mars_ax]

Oct. 27
At Verona, N.Y. (HBO): Thomas Dulorme vs. Luis Carlos Abregu, 10 rounds, welterweights; Miguel Vazquez vs. Marvin Quintero, 12 rounds, for Vazquez's IBF lightweight title; Mauricio Herrera vs. Karim Mayfield, 10 rounds, junior welterweights.

[Spicoli]

Pretty solid card. We are seeing an increase in triple headers it seems and that's a good thing! It may be a long shot but I wouldn't be totally shocked to see upsets. Herrera reminds me of a Carlos Molina and up until his last go Mayfield isn't awe inspiring. Abregu is awkward dangerous, as much for a headbutt, shoulder block as he is a wide bomb. Be nice to see words for Manny but honestly ten count isn't enough. They could sound that bell for three hours and he'd still be due. That man leaves a massive void.

[Violent Demise]

Pretty solid card. We are seeing an increase in triple headers it seems and that's a good thing! It may be a long shot but I wouldn't be totally shocked to see upsets. Herrera reminds me of a Carlos Molina and up until his last go Mayfield isn't awe inspiring. Abregu is awkward dangerous, as much for a headbutt, shoulder block as he is a wide bomb. Be nice to see words for Manny but honestly ten count isn't enough. They could sound that bell for three hours and he'd still be due. That man leaves a massive void.

Vazquez I think is the only safe bet for tonight. I can easily see Mayfield losing. And if Abregu can handle Dulorme power he beats him. But considering the way Irving Garcia almost had him out that might be asking to much from Abregu

[Mars_ax]

Pretty solid card. We are seeing an increase in triple headers it seems and that's a good thing! It may be a long shot but I wouldn't be totally shocked to see upsets. Herrera reminds me of a Carlos Molina and up until his last go Mayfield isn't awe inspiring. Abregu is awkward dangerous, as much for a headbutt, shoulder block as he is a wide bomb. Be nice to see words for Manny but honestly ten count isn't enough. They could sound that bell for three hours and he'd still be due. That man leaves a massive void.

Vazquez I think is the only safe bet for tonight. I can easily see Mayfield losing. And if Abregu can handle Dulorme power he beats him. But considering the way Irving Garcia almost had him out that might be asking to much from Abregu

The fights start tonight about an hour and 15 minutes from now or at 10:15 PM ET.

[Spicoli]

Pretty solid card. We are seeing an increase in triple headers it seems and that's a good thing! It may be a long shot but I wouldn't be totally shocked to see upsets. Herrera reminds me of a Carlos Molina and up until his last go Mayfield isn't awe inspiring. Abregu is awkward dangerous, as much for a headbutt, shoulder block as he is a wide bomb. Be nice to see words for Manny but honestly ten count isn't enough. They could sound that bell for three hours and he'd still be due. That man leaves a massive void.

Vazquez I think is the only safe bet for tonight. I can easily see Mayfield losing. And if Abregu can handle Dulorme power he beats him. But considering the way Irving Garcia almost had him out that might be asking to much from Abregu

I think he may sponge what Vasquez can dish but dish he will, constant and a very crafty dude!

Nice piece on Mitchell...want to like em but cannot see him going real far but it'll be tv friendly.

[Mars_ax]

Why the fuck can't I view the second page of this thread?

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Why the fuck can't I view the second page of this thread?

this IS the second page

[Mars_ax]

Why the fuck can't I view the second page of this thread?

this IS the second page

I got it fixed myself Missy, I altered/edited the OP a bit in "advanced mode" and it began working for me.
I especially wanted to see the tribute HBO will have for Manny Steward tonight, it should be well worth watching.
cheers

[Mars_ax]

Alrighty, here we go, Kellerman Papa, and RJJ calling the action for HBO, first up, Miguel Vazquez vs. Marvin Quintero, 12 rounds, for Vazquez's IBF lightweight title.

[Mars_ax]

Up next, Mauricio Herrera vs. Karim Mayfield, 10 rounds, junior welterweights. Mayfield talks the talk, can he walk the walk?