Retired fighters we felt were on PED's!?

Hi,

I know this post is speculating by its very nature, but any fighter of old that you can think back on and have an inclination that they used PED's??

For some reason I always felt that Hagler used PED's. I hate to tarnish a good name like that, but he always appeared too jacked up and too machine like to be natural.

I also feel that Aaron Pryor used PED's. You can tell by the way he fought that he had something extra, more than the other guy.

Who else do you feel had PED's. (I also feel Sugar Ray Leonard used PED's in some of his fights- the fight vs. Hearns 1 and the fight vs. Duran II, the "no mas" fight.

What do you say?

This is the most stupid thread since I made a thread about which fighter would die next. Speculating about legends that you think may be cheating is not good.

Originally Posted by Master

This is the most stupid thread since I made a thread about which fighter would die next. Speculating about legends that you think may be cheating is not good.

I know it was far out... but what can be said?

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Originally Posted by Master

This is the most stupid thread since I made a thread about which fighter would die next. Speculating about legends that you think may be cheating is not good.

I know it was far out... but what can be said?

Nothing.

I'm sure if you went as far back as 1865 and researched you would find all kinds of questionable practices. Drugs of one kind or another have been a part of this game no doubt since ancient Greece. I bet there were all kinds of amphetamines passed around in the 1920's and 30's. Today fighters use all kinds of chemical cook ups to mask use like in the case with diuretics and then claiming it was for weight loss. Its still synthetic speed and has the same effect as an upper or a benny.

Originally Posted by IamInuit

I'm sure if you went as far back as 1865 and researched you would find all kinds of questionable practices. Drugs of one kind or another have been a part of this game no doubt since ancient Greece. I bet there were all kinds of amphetamines passed around in the 1920's and 30's. Today fighters use all kinds of chemical cook ups to mask use like in the case with diuretics and then claiming it was for weight loss. Its still synthetic speed and has the same effect as an upper or a benny.

Exactly... some of those guys looked unnatural.

Originally Posted by Master

I made a thread about which fighter would die next.

LOL!

To answer the question thought, I'd bet my fucking house that Tyson was on steroids.

Originally Posted by Master

This is the most stupid thread since I made a thread about which fighter would die next. Speculating about legends that you think may be cheating is not good.

Best thread ever.

Originally Posted by ryanman

Originally Posted by Master

This is the most stupid thread since I made a thread about which fighter would die next. Speculating about legends that you think may be cheating is not good.

Best thread ever.

It got deleted thanks to a number of complaints.

So any fighters past or present we think are deffo paedophiles? Rapers?

Logic: 90% of boxers today are on PED's, so naturally all boxers in past eras were on PED's, also.

The only thing I will say about boxers and Ped's is:

There are way more boxers than we might imagine that are using substances. Why? Because there is too much money involved and because boxing is ill ruled on that matter; too many different agencies, organisations and laws that are more than different from a state to another. Without uniformity of tests and laws with rigorous controls, you can be sure that those who got caught are only the peak of the Iceberg.
For those interested in that matter, I HIGHLY recommand you to read the following article by Don CAtlin, one of the top notch leader in matter of anti-doping techniques, the article is not too long, well written and sums up damn well the problem:

Max Boxing - News - Dr. Don Catlin on Anti-Doping in Boxing

So who was/is on dope? I won't say a name but this; way more than what we might think.

NIgel Benn was probably on some shit..

Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

NIgel Benn was probably on some shit..

Reckless style. Bloodshot eyes. Socket hidden in his trunks. If Benn was on something it was fucking crack

Originally Posted by Nameless

The only thing I will say about boxers and Ped's is:

There are way more boxers than we might imagine that are using substances. Why? Because there is too much money involved and because boxing is ill ruled on that matter; too many different agencies, organisations and laws that are more than different from a state to another. Without uniformity of tests and laws with rigorous controls, you can be sure that those who got caught are only the peak of the Iceberg.
For those interested in that matter, I HIGHLY recommand you to read the following article by Don CAtlin, one of the top notch leader in matter of anti-doping techniques, the article is not too long, well written and sums up damn well the problem:

Max Boxing - News - Dr. Don Catlin on Anti-Doping in Boxing

So who was/is on dope? I won't say a name but this; way more than what we might think.

Good stuff.

But, the reason I started this thread was because everyone had an idea Pac and Mosely were on PED's by looking at their performance- and then that triggered investigations.

So, alls I'm suggesting is that looking back- who would you consider based on what we know now as tell-tale-signs of PED's. ??