Is the weight u transfer from hip rotation the same weight as u transfer from a step?

[OMGWTF]

Is the weight you transfer from hip rotation the same weight as you transfer from a step forward?

We only have so much body weight, and I presume we can only transfer so much of it, and there are different methods to transfer body weight.

Stepping forward is one of them and rotating the hips is another.

Lets take a right cross punch. Im going to throw it 3 different ways, I want you to tell me which way produces the most power and why. In fact can you put them in order of which will produce the most power to the least power and tell me why thats the correct order!?


1) Standing still weight fully loaded on the rear foot you rotate the hips and body to throw the punch and the weight transfers to the front foot as you punch. (Text book)

2) I step forward with the cross landing with all my weight on the front foot then I rotate the hips immediately after to throw the punch. (not text book a mistake)

3) I step forwards being very careful to keep my weight in the rear or on the rear leg as I step forwards not letting any of it transfer to the front leg, then as I land I immediately rotate the hips to throw the punch and that weight from the rear into the punch combined with the step forwards momentum and weight transfer. (text book I believe although the weight would be more central and less exaggerated)



I know I should get this easy but I heard someone talking about the body weight you transfer from a step is exactly the same body weight as you transfer from the hip its just the hip transfers it faster and therefore more powerfully, but I think (almost certain) he is wrong I think no method transfers all your body weight into the punch and these two methods transfer a percentage of your body weight and if you add them together you transfer more than either one of them alone.

[nikola_ganchev]

If you watch for example Joe Louis when he is punching, he makes small steps and then he punches... Here i want to point you to his head. Most of the time the head does not come forward and is just moving laterally. In addition he rotates around his spine only. So if the head and the spine are not coming forward how is he transferring the weight on his front foot?

[OMGWTF]

If you watch for example Joe Louis when he is punching, he makes small steps and then he punches... Here i want to point you to his head. Most of the time the head does not come forward and is just moving laterally. In addition he rotates around his spine only. So if the head and the spine are not coming forward how is he transferring the weight on his front foot?

Awesome answer he is keeping his weight back so he is loaded for the straight right even as he moves forward, thanks im gonna do the exact same thing awesome answer, and the small steps without transferring the head n body forward allow him to not walk onto an incoming punch, and to move forward safely all while being ever ready to knock their block off with a counter right hand. Thanks mate!!

[cambay411]

Then turn in your shoulders and hips is where your power comes from.

A step forward is what will create your angle to land the punch.

[OMGWTF]

Then turn in your shoulders and hips is where your power comes from.

A step forward is what will create your angle to land the punch.

But you can add more power with a step too. I know its defensively risky but its an option for certain situations and opponents.

[cambay411]

Then turn in your shoulders and hips is where your power comes from.

A step forward is what will create your angle to land the punch.

But you can add more power with a step too.

It seems like you should be able to generate as much power without the step. Im gonna have to go mess around on the heavy bag when I get the chance and get back with you lol.

If your throwing a lead straight right you will have to take a step to get in on that angle but still the power comes from turning your hips and shoulders into it.

Say you work the straight right off the jab, you would step in with the jab and make the angle then unload with the snap in your hips and shoulders.





I think you can get more power off of a step but only because the angle it creates helps you put more snap in your hips and shoulders.

[OMGWTF]

Then turn in your shoulders and hips is where your power comes from.

A step forward is what will create your angle to land the punch.

But you can add more power with a step too.

It seems like you should be able to generate as much power without the step. Im gonna have to go mess around on the heavy bag when I get the chance and get back with you lol.

If your throwing a lead straight right you will have to take a step to get in on that angle but still the power comes from turning your hips and shoulders into it.

Say you work the straight right off the jab, you would step in with the jab and make the angle then unload with the snap in your hips and shoulders.





I think you can get more power off of a step but only because the angle it creates helps you put more snap in your hips and shoulders.

What hurts more? A straight right that hits you while standing still? Or a straight right you walk/step into?

Same applies for stepping first with any punch that step adds power, so long as the step doesnt ruin the mechanics of the straight right punch.

[cambay411]

Then turn in your shoulders and hips is where your power comes from.

A step forward is what will create your angle to land the punch.

But you can add more power with a step too.

It seems like you should be able to generate as much power without the step. Im gonna have to go mess around on the heavy bag when I get the chance and get back with you lol.

If your throwing a lead straight right you will have to take a step to get in on that angle but still the power comes from turning your hips and shoulders into it.

Say you work the straight right off the jab, you would step in with the jab and make the angle then unload with the snap in your hips and shoulders.





I think you can get more power off of a step but only because the angle it creates helps you put more snap in your hips and shoulders.

What hurts more? A straight right that hits you while standing still? Or a straight right you walk/step into?

Same applies for stepping first with any punch that step adds power, so long as the step doesnt ruin the mechanics of the straight right punch.

I see what you mean, your forward momentum adds power to your punch.

I was thinking you meant stepping simultaniously as you were throwing the punch in which you would be using the momentum and dropping weight of your foot to generate more power.

But I agree with you. So long as you leave your rear foot on the ground, dont reach out with your right hand and turn your hips and shoulder into your punch you should be good.

[cambay411]

After reading over your post 2 would get more power for reasons we have already talked about. And it is a text book way to throw the right. Without the step you cant get in on the angle to land the right.

[greynotsoold]

You should be able to get your weight turned without moving your feet at all. The 'falling step' is useful for closing distance, but you can really screw yourself up if you start doing what I call 'walking' your punches; that is, stepping every time you punch.

[OMGWTF]

You should be able to get your weight turned without moving your feet at all. The 'falling step' is useful for closing distance, but you can really screw yourself up if you start doing what I call 'walking' your punches; that is, stepping every time you punch.

I can. But for max power its optimal to step and turn rather than just turn, but obviously step while remaining in your stance. (im not walking and squaring up like like an idiot)

I know this is a bad idea most of the time because you are likely to add power to their punch if you step into your punches (its probably the reason jack dempsey was a sucka for a straight right hand) BUT it is a great way to add power to your punches too. High risk high reward, and if you use it at the right time and judiciously you can make it high reward medium-low risk.

[boyla]

Did you have one of these as a kid.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkyLnWm1iCs

[StrictlySP]

Hi OMGWTF,
You asked:

Is the weight you transfer from hip rotation the same weight as you transfer from a step forward?

Technically speaking, no it isn't. No matter what punch you throw with a preceding step, be it a straight right hand, left hook, etc, there will be a millisecond difference between the step and hip rotation. The trigger step initiates the weight transfer then a millisecond later, the "whipping" hip rotation finalizes it. The two are synergistic partners in putting body weight into a punch.

Take Care,
Lito

[cambay411]

You should be able to get your weight turned without moving your feet at all. The 'falling step' is useful for closing distance, but you can really screw yourself up if you start doing what I call 'walking' your punches; that is, stepping every time you punch.

I can. But for max power its optimal to step and turn rather than just turn, but obviously step while remaining in your stance. (im not walking and squaring up like like an idiot)

I know this is a bad idea most of the time because you are likely to add power to their punch if you step into your punches (its probably the reason jack dempsey was a sucka for a straight right hand) BUT it is a great way to add power to your punches too. High risk high reward, and if you use it at the right time and judiciously you can make it high reward medium-low risk.

This is almost a physics question lol. Does your forward momentum cause your hand to launch out faster?

It seems like I can put as much power into a punch with my feet planted or even backing up (not sure if I really get the same power but it feels like I do).

I dont even know anymore. Im just confused now lol.

[OMGWTF]

Hi OMGWTF,
You asked:

Is the weight you transfer from hip rotation the same weight as you transfer from a step forward?

Technically speaking, no it isn't. No matter what punch you throw with a preceding step, be it a straight right hand, left hook, etc, there will be a millisecond difference between the step and hip rotation. The trigger step initiates the weight transfer then a millisecond later, the "whipping" hip rotation finalizes it. The two are synergistic partners in putting body weight into a punch.

Take Care,
Lito

Thanks strictly LOL !!!