David Haye discusses next move with Vitali Klitschko over breakfast

[AdamGB]

Joint promotion of some sort, maybe.

Haye v Briggs?

Briggs is old enough to be a Haye opponent.

Briggs is 43, how many people that Haye has fought were in their 40s when he fought them? I can't think of anybody? I don't even think Ruiz was 40 when they fought?

Enlighten me.

[ross]

The fact is, Hayes whole heavyweight career is just a mirage.

Holyfield looked more convincing against Valuev than Haye did. Catching him with one shot in the last round does not win a fight.

Chisora had 3 losses and his first was to Tyson the credit he gets here is because Chisora was the only fighter he fought that was younger than him (at heavy). Like I said and like everyone knows there were plenty of other fights out there to be made rather than ripping everyone off against Harrison, Ruiz and Barrett (who dropped Haye).

His fight against Wlad was over 3 years ago! He wont have improved. He looked like shit before Chisora gave him his chin on a plate. Contrast that to the man who beat him easily looking his sharpest in his last fight against supposedly the next best in the division. The kind of fighter Haye would have avoided.

I remember a few gullible people jumping on Hayes retirement bandwagon and me saying those same people will all be mugs and get taken in by him again and totally ignore the way he avoided and still does a Fury fight. Hes been asked a few times and gives no credible reply, saying crap like he doesnt deserve a pay day (why sign in the first place?) and not until he beats Wlad. When Fury beats Wlad Haye will sulk like fuck because Fury would have blown Hayes career out of the water

The fact is that Haye could not chance and then live with a loss to Fury as it makes his career look shit because the general consensus which is false is that Fury is crap. He saw what I see. That Tyson is huge, can move, has excellent stamina and can punch and is going to be a difficult animal to beat. It was a gamble that he was going to catch him before he started tiring or got caught himself. It was and still is, too much of a risk to his legacy.

[AdamGB]

Nobody in their forties then @ross? Didn't think so.

With every point you make, you're essentially calling Fury shite:

You say Haye only fights older heavyweights - Fury's best win is against an older man and cruiserweight at that.

You say Haye was knocked down by Monte Barrett - He slipped on an advertisement card, but that's besides the point... An older cruiserweight floored fury.

You diminish Haye knocking out Chisora in 5 rounds - it took Fury twice as long as a cruiserweight to finish off his own left overs in luke warm fashion, despite enjoying a considerable height and reach advantage.

You criticise Haye for not fighting people younger than him - Haye has given up weight/height/reach in several bouts... Pretty much everything but age...
name a young, even average fighter that Fury has fought were he hasn't enjoyed a considerable height and reach advantage? When is he going to step up and fight somebody closer in size like Wach? We've yet to see him use his boxing ability when his size advantage has been removed or even diminished.

You can justifiably think little of Haye, but at least be consistent and unbiased and apply your own standards to Fury as well.

[ross]

Nobody in their forties then @ross? Didn't think so.

With every point you make, you're essentially calling Fury shite:

You say Haye only fights older heavyweights - Fury's best win is against an older man and cruiserweight at that.

You say Haye was knocked down by Monte Barrett - He slipped on an advertisement card, but that's besides the point... An older cruiserweight floored fury.

You diminish Haye knocking out Chisora in 5 rounds - it took Fury twice as long as a cruiserweight to finish off his own left overs in luke warm fashion, despite enjoying a considerable height and reach advantage.

You criticise Haye for not fighting people younger than him - Haye has given up weight/height/reach in several bouts... Pretty much everything but age...
name a young, even average fighter that Fury has fought were he hasn't enjoyed a considerable height and reach advantage? When is he going to step up and fight somebody closer in size like Wach? We've yet to see him use his boxing ability when his size advantage has been removed or even diminished.

You can justifiably think little of Haye, but at least be consistent and unbiased and apply your own standards to Fury as well.

Wach is utter shite.

When the Chisora rematch was announced it was a chance for Chisora to prove it was because he wasn't in shape last time, that it was all down to his weight.

Haye had to throw caution to the wind to stop Chisora as he was blowing out his ass and getting bulled around. Tyson didn't break a sweat and had Chisora under control. He could have stopped him in the first, he had the legs going from the first left hook he threw. He stood off because they wanted and needed rounds. Thats how good Fury is. He can make easy work of Hayes best win

[Memphis]

Nobody in their forties then @ross ? Didn't think so.

With every point you make, you're essentially calling Fury shite:

You say Haye only fights older heavyweights - Fury's best win is against an older man and cruiserweight at that.

You say Haye was knocked down by Monte Barrett - He slipped on an advertisement card, but that's besides the point... An older cruiserweight floored fury.

You diminish Haye knocking out Chisora in 5 rounds - it took Fury twice as long as a cruiserweight to finish off his own left overs in luke warm fashion, despite enjoying a considerable height and reach advantage.

You criticise Haye for not fighting people younger than him - Haye has given up weight/height/reach in several bouts... Pretty much everything but age...
name a young, even average fighter that Fury has fought were he hasn't enjoyed a considerable height and reach advantage? When is he going to step up and fight somebody closer in size like Wach? We've yet to see him use his boxing ability when his size advantage has been removed or even diminished.

You can justifiably think little of Haye, but at least be consistent and unbiased and apply your own standards to Fury as well.

Wach is utter shite.

When the Chisora rematch was announced it was a chance for Chisora to prove it was because he wasn't in shape last time, that it was all down to his weight.

Haye had to throw caution to the wind to stop Chisora as he was blowing out his ass and getting bulled around. Tyson didn't break a sweat and had Chisora under control. He could have stopped him in the first, he had the legs going from the first left hook he threw. He stood off because they wanted and needed rounds. Thats how good Fury is. He can make easy work of Hayes best win

This is true. He needed over an hour to accomplish what Haye got done in under 15 minutes but fair play to the lad, he got there in the end

[smashup]

Nobody in their forties then @ross? Didn't think so.

With every point you make, you're essentially calling Fury shite:

You say Haye only fights older heavyweights - Fury's best win is against an older man and cruiserweight at that.

You say Haye was knocked down by Monte Barrett - He slipped on an advertisement card, but that's besides the point... An older cruiserweight floored fury.

You diminish Haye knocking out Chisora in 5 rounds - it took Fury twice as long as a cruiserweight to finish off his own left overs in luke warm fashion, despite enjoying a considerable height and reach advantage.

You criticise Haye for not fighting people younger than him - Haye has given up weight/height/reach in several bouts... Pretty much everything but age...
name a young, even average fighter that Fury has fought were he hasn't enjoyed a considerable height and reach advantage? When is he going to step up and fight somebody closer in size like Wach? We've yet to see him use his boxing ability when his size advantage has been removed or even diminished.

You can justifiably think little of Haye, but at least be consistent and unbiased and apply your own standards to Fury as well.

Wach is utter shite.

When the Chisora rematch was announced it was a chance for Chisora to prove it was because he wasn't in shape last time, that it was all down to his weight.

Haye had to throw caution to the wind to stop Chisora as he was blowing out his ass and getting bulled around. Tyson didn't break a sweat and had Chisora under control. He could have stopped him in the first, he had the legs going from the first left hook he threw. He stood off because they wanted and needed rounds. Thats how good Fury is. He can make easy work of Hayes best win

Winning the Heavyweight title was his best win at the weight Ross.

The facts are that Haye is Box Office and fighters like Fury simply are not and never will be because Fury doesn't entertain when he's in the ring intact he's boring to watch unless he's being interviewed.

Haye knocks people out on a regular basis which is what people love in the Heavyweight division.

It's all a Business Ross.... have you not worked that out yet?

This is why an inactive fighter like Haye has everyone talking about him on the back of a photograph of him having Breakfast with Vitali

He still brings enough money to any fight where he can simply leapfrog the entire division (good thing or bad thing for boxing?) and get straight back into the mix with any top Heavyweight.

[ross]

Nobody in their forties then @ross? Didn't think so.

With every point you make, you're essentially calling Fury shite:

You say Haye only fights older heavyweights - Fury's best win is against an older man and cruiserweight at that.

You say Haye was knocked down by Monte Barrett - He slipped on an advertisement card, but that's besides the point... An older cruiserweight floored fury.

You diminish Haye knocking out Chisora in 5 rounds - it took Fury twice as long as a cruiserweight to finish off his own left overs in luke warm fashion, despite enjoying a considerable height and reach advantage.

You criticise Haye for not fighting people younger than him - Haye has given up weight/height/reach in several bouts... Pretty much everything but age...
name a young, even average fighter that Fury has fought were he hasn't enjoyed a considerable height and reach advantage? When is he going to step up and fight somebody closer in size like Wach? We've yet to see him use his boxing ability when his size advantage has been removed or even diminished.

You can justifiably think little of Haye, but at least be consistent and unbiased and apply your own standards to Fury as well.

Wach is utter shite.

When the Chisora rematch was announced it was a chance for Chisora to prove it was because he wasn't in shape last time, that it was all down to his weight.

Haye had to throw caution to the wind to stop Chisora as he was blowing out his ass and getting bulled around. Tyson didn't break a sweat and had Chisora under control. He could have stopped him in the first, he had the legs going from the first left hook he threw. He stood off because they wanted and needed rounds. Thats how good Fury is. He can make easy work of Hayes best win

Winning the Heavyweight title was his best win at the weight Ross.

The facts are that Haye is Box Office and fighters like Fury simply are not and never will be because Fury doesn't entertain when he's in the ring intact he's boring to watch unless he's being interviewed.

Haye knocks people out on a regular basis which is what people love in the Heavyweight division.

It's all a Business Ross.... have you not worked that out yet?

This is why an inactive fighter like Haye has everyone talking about him on the back of a photograph of him having Breakfast with Vitali

He still brings enough money to any fight where he can simply leapfrog the entire division (good thing or bad thing for boxing?) and get straight back into the mix with any top Heavyweight.

Not true. You are underestimating Tyson.

Floyd Mayweather is the biggest draw in boxing now but didnt become a pay per view fighter until his 17th world championship fight!! He wasnt a draw. His first pay per view was against Gatti. The fight before that, he faced Bruseles and only 4000 people attended that fight.

Tyson is yet to fight for a world championship and has already had 2 pay per views build around him only to fall apart due to the opponent pulling out twice. That pay per view would not have happened without Tyson. Not that a pay per view is indicative of the quality of a fight when you look at the shit Hearn produces. Over 18,000 bought tickets to watch a show Tyson headlined. Thats a big difference to Floyds 4000 in his 17 world championship fight.

My point is, Tyson is only 26. Give him the right opponent that isnt so, so easy to outbox and he already has the exposure and potential to be massive.

In fact, I think Hayes first pay per view fight wasnt until Valuev?

Every heavyweight interviewed in America calls Tyson out. His name is growing before hes even got on the world stage. He has the potential to be absolutely huge!

[Primo Carnera]

Nobody in their forties then @ross? Didn't think so.

With every point you make, you're essentially calling Fury shite:

You say Haye only fights older heavyweights - Fury's best win is against an older man and cruiserweight at that.

You say Haye was knocked down by Monte Barrett - He slipped on an advertisement card, but that's besides the point... An older cruiserweight floored fury.

You diminish Haye knocking out Chisora in 5 rounds - it took Fury twice as long as a cruiserweight to finish off his own left overs in luke warm fashion, despite enjoying a considerable height and reach advantage.

You criticise Haye for not fighting people younger than him - Haye has given up weight/height/reach in several bouts... Pretty much everything but age...
name a young, even average fighter that Fury has fought were he hasn't enjoyed a considerable height and reach advantage? When is he going to step up and fight somebody closer in size like Wach? We've yet to see him use his boxing ability when his size advantage has been removed or even diminished.

You can justifiably think little of Haye, but at least be consistent and unbiased and apply your own standards to Fury as well.

Wach is utter shite.

When the Chisora rematch was announced it was a chance for Chisora to prove it was because he wasn't in shape last time, that it was all down to his weight.

Haye had to throw caution to the wind to stop Chisora as he was blowing out his ass and getting bulled around. Tyson didn't break a sweat and had Chisora under control. He could have stopped him in the first, he had the legs going from the first left hook he threw. He stood off because they wanted and needed rounds. Thats how good Fury is. He can make easy work of Hayes best win

Winning the Heavyweight title was his best win at the weight Ross.

The facts are that Haye is Box Office and fighters like Fury simply are not and never will be because Fury doesn't entertain when he's in the ring intact he's boring to watch unless he's being interviewed.

Haye knocks people out on a regular basis which is what people love in the Heavyweight division.

It's all a Business Ross.... have you not worked that out yet?

This is why an inactive fighter like Haye has everyone talking about him on the back of a photograph of him having Breakfast with Vitali

He still brings enough money to any fight where he can simply leapfrog the entire division (good thing or bad thing for boxing?) and get straight back into the mix with any top Heavyweight.

Not true. You are underestimating Tyson.

Floyd Mayweather is the biggest draw in boxing now but didnt become a pay per view fighter until his 17th world championship fight!! He wasnt a draw. His first pay per view was against Gatti. The fight before that, he faced Bruseles and only 4000 people attended that fight.

Tyson is yet to fight for a world championship and has already had 2 pay per views build around him only to fall apart due to the opponent pulling out twice. That pay per view would not have happened without Tyson. Not that a pay per view is indicative of the quality of a fight when you look at the shit Hearn produces. Over 18,000 bought tickets to watch a show Tyson headlined. Thats a big difference to Floyds 4000 in his 17 world championship fight.

My point is, Tyson is only 26. Give him the right opponent that isnt so, so easy to outbox and he already has the exposure and potential to be massive.

In fact, I think Hayes first pay per view fight wasnt until Valuev?

Every heavyweight interviewed in America calls Tyson out. His name is growing before hes even got on the world stage. He has the potential to be absolutely huge!

Why do you think they're all calling Fury out , Ross? Listen , I love Fury, he seems a great guy, he's got a lot of heart, he has improved as well, but the reason they call him out is because they think they can beat him, simple as that.

[AdamGB]

Nobody in their forties then @ross? Didn't think so.

With every point you make, you're essentially calling Fury shite:

You say Haye only fights older heavyweights - Fury's best win is against an older man and cruiserweight at that.

You say Haye was knocked down by Monte Barrett - He slipped on an advertisement card, but that's besides the point... An older cruiserweight floored fury.

You diminish Haye knocking out Chisora in 5 rounds - it took Fury twice as long as a cruiserweight to finish off his own left overs in luke warm fashion, despite enjoying a considerable height and reach advantage.

You criticise Haye for not fighting people younger than him - Haye has given up weight/height/reach in several bouts... Pretty much everything but age...
name a young, even average fighter that Fury has fought were he hasn't enjoyed a considerable height and reach advantage? When is he going to step up and fight somebody closer in size like Wach? We've yet to see him use his boxing ability when his size advantage has been removed or even diminished.

You can justifiably think little of Haye, but at least be consistent and unbiased and apply your own standards to Fury as well.

Wach is utter shite.

When the Chisora rematch was announced it was a chance for Chisora to prove it was because he wasn't in shape last time, that it was all down to his weight.

Haye had to throw caution to the wind to stop Chisora as he was blowing out his ass and getting bulled around. Tyson didn't break a sweat and had Chisora under control. He could have stopped him in the first, he had the legs going from the first left hook he threw. He stood off because they wanted and needed rounds. Thats how good Fury is. He can make easy work of Hayes best win

Completely failed to refute any of the points I've made.

[Dark Lord Al]

Haye is a wanker for sure and he takes the piss , however he puts bums on seats.
Any HW with power is always exciting.

[nuggetdotcom]

Nobody in their forties then @ross? Didn't think so.

With every point you make, you're essentially calling Fury shite:

You say Haye only fights older heavyweights - Fury's best win is against an older man and cruiserweight at that.

You say Haye was knocked down by Monte Barrett - He slipped on an advertisement card, but that's besides the point... An older cruiserweight floored fury.

You diminish Haye knocking out Chisora in 5 rounds - it took Fury twice as long as a cruiserweight to finish off his own left overs in luke warm fashion, despite enjoying a considerable height and reach advantage.

You criticise Haye for not fighting people younger than him - Haye has given up weight/height/reach in several bouts... Pretty much everything but age...
name a young, even average fighter that Fury has fought were he hasn't enjoyed a considerable height and reach advantage? When is he going to step up and fight somebody closer in size like Wach? We've yet to see him use his boxing ability when his size advantage has been removed or even diminished.

You can justifiably think little of Haye, but at least be consistent and unbiased and apply your own standards to Fury as well.

Wach is utter shite.

When the Chisora rematch was announced it was a chance for Chisora to prove it was because he wasn't in shape last time, that it was all down to his weight.

Haye had to throw caution to the wind to stop Chisora as he was blowing out his ass and getting bulled around. Tyson didn't break a sweat and had Chisora under control. He could have stopped him in the first, he had the legs going from the first left hook he threw. He stood off because they wanted and needed rounds. Thats how good Fury is. He can make easy work of Hayes best win

Oh do stop being so silly, or lay off the wallop

[Ron Swanson]

Can you all stop pretending Haye was a heavyweight champion please?!

Valuev never should have had that belt, it wasn't his. Then he lost the belt and that corrupt organization GAVE it back to him. He did not DESERVE it again. Then he lost it to a washed up Evan Fields but the judges GAVE it back to Valuev undeserved again.

There are 3 reasons that trinket wasn't Valuevs to lose to Haye to begin with.

The history books may record him as a trinket holder but that man did not win any championship from any champion. Because Valuev was 3 times removed from being a champion.

[TitoFan]

The guy has fought six times in the last six years, getting a title shot in only his 2nd fight at HW. He will only consider fighting a Klitschko..... embarrassed himself in his only shot against Wlad after talking tons of shit...... and pulls out (of fights) more often than a prematurely ejaculating teenager.

Seriously......
Who gives a shit what he had for breakfast or what he has to say to Vitali??

Save it for the gossip column.

[Max Power]

The fact is, Hayes whole heavyweight career is just a mirage.

Holyfield looked more convincing against Valuev than Haye did. Catching him with one shot in the last round does not win a fight.

Chisora had 3 losses and his first was to Tyson the credit he gets here is because Chisora was the only fighter he fought that was younger than him (at heavy). Like I said and like everyone knows there were plenty of other fights out there to be made rather than ripping everyone off against Harrison, Ruiz and Barrett (who dropped Haye).

His fight against Wlad was over 3 years ago! He wont have improved. He looked like shit before Chisora gave him his chin on a plate. Contrast that to the man who beat him easily looking his sharpest in his last fight against supposedly the next best in the division. The kind of fighter Haye would have avoided.

I remember a few gullible people jumping on Hayes retirement bandwagon and me saying those same people will all be mugs and get taken in by him again and totally ignore the way he avoided and still does a Fury fight. Hes been asked a few times and gives no credible reply, saying crap like he doesnt deserve a pay day (why sign in the first place?) and not until he beats Wlad. When Fury beats Wlad Haye will sulk like fuck because Fury would have blown Hayes career out of the water

The fact is that Haye could not chance and then live with a loss to Fury as it makes his career look shit because the general consensus which is false is that Fury is crap. He saw what I see. That Tyson is huge, can move, has excellent stamina and can punch and is going to be a difficult animal to beat. It was a gamble that he was going to catch him before he started tiring or got caught himself. It was and still is, too much of a risk to his legacy.

Listen mate, David Haye, at 210 or so lbs, rocked up to the HW division and was out-talled and out-weighed massively! His opponents were good fighters too. And he WASTED them.

Funny, I never seen Holyfield start whacking around all the giant boxers like HE was the big guy!

Nobody has produced the kind of performances like David Haye has ever from Cruiser. He carried his punch like no other, and is in effect, among the fastest and most slickest HW's of all time!

That is a fact^^ undeniable even if you hate him.

[Master]

David Haye is the fastest and most slickest HW's of all time?

Just when I could not think you could get any dumber. You go and say that!