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Catch weight fights. Like them, hate them, don't care, or undecided?
Whether you love them or hate them someone is going to disagree with you. Personally I don't care one way or another, a fight is a fight to me. Some boxing fans seem to think they will ruin boxing and some fans always seem to have a catch weight fight they want to see floating around in the back of their heads.
So, what is your pleasure and why?
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I've never liked catchweights. I think weight limits are close enough as it is... 6-7 pounds in most cases. I particularly don't like catchweights for championships, so I'm not fond of this aspect of the Cotto-Canelo fight. The fight itself will be extremely crowd-pleasing, so I'm glad it's occurring at any level. In the end though, I prefer seeing terrific catchweight fights than seeing fights at the established weights that aren't any good.
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Don't have a problem with them as long as it suits both fighters. So Cotto-Canelo fighting at 155 is fine. However, Cotto making Geale come down to 157 with a 160 title on the line is a liberty.
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Catch weight fights are fine, if two naturally 150lb guys want to fight for the middleweight title go for it, but don't expect the next guy who is an actual middleweight to do the same. It's bordering on pathetic.
As far as I'm concerned intentionally tampering with someone's weight (bringing them down below the championship limit) is every bit as bad if not worse than tampering with gloves or using PEDS.
When God said to the both of us "Which one of you wants to be Sugar Ray?" I guess I didnt raise my hand fast enough
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Re: Catch weight fights. Like them, hate them, don't care, or undecided?
Originally Posted by Memphis
While someone fighting at waay below their normal fighting weight can be very detrimental to their health.... it still boils down to the fighter's choice, unlike being subjected to tampered gloves or PEDS from the other guy.
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While someone fighting at waay below their normal fighting weight can be very detrimental to their health.... it still boils down to the fighter's choice, unlike being subjected to tampered gloves or PEDS from the other guy.
I don't disagree with you so let me rephrase. Miguel Cotto (for his part in the Daniel Geale fight) is not as bad an individual as say Luis Resto, they don't compare.
But, he and anyone else (including Geale) who sanctioned, promoted or participated in that fight in any way should have a good look at themselves.
What they did is disregard good sense and ignore precedent in allowing a healthy man to enter the ring against a man who was clearly crippled by weight. They collectively took all the hard lessons we have learned about fighter safety and dehydration and threw them in the bin, all in the name of paper titles and making a buck.
Geale may have been well compensated for his efforts (or lack thereof) but had things gone tits up in there, his medical bills would have carried on growing long after his pay day was gone. We would then as a boxing community be looking at the governing body, the promoter and the athletic commission to be providing support to him and his family.
It is a fighters choice, but how many fighters have the luxury of turning down career high paydays? The sanctioning bodies in certain circumstances should remove the opportunity to say yes in my opinion.
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In theory they are fine. In fact in theory I rather like them. But in practice they aren't used to make things fair, quite the opposite. They are used to give one fighter an advantage.
Cotto/Canelo is the rare exception where it suits both. But let's not pretend it is a true MW title fight.
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Re: Catch weight fights. Like them, hate them, don't care, or undecided?
Don't mind them but I don't think that there should ever be a catch weight for a title fight.
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You want to have a childish silly catchweight for some super fight, then go for it. Just leave the titles on the mantle at home so you can still rub one off after the fight. Dont be asking or demanding using cash or blowjobs that a champion drop his weight so you can challenge for his title that has a limit that you cant muster. Then don't challenge twerp. If you cant challenge a weight at that weight for a title that represent that weight then PISS OFF!
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Since when can anyone be forced to fight at a catchweight? If you do not like the terms then do not sign!
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Catchweights are ok for making some decent match ups, but let's not kid ourselves, it is impossible to make a good argument for any title fight having a catchweight. There are weight divisions for a reason, fucking 17 of them!!!
The worst thing is that the governing bodies actually allow it.
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Perhaps you don't recall Pacquiao/Cotto negotiations? Cotto said no to the catchweight so the sanctioning body said make the fight or be stripped of your title. TR was not offering a fight at 147 though so he could not agree to fair terms. His options were agree to be weakened or lose his belt. It was not as simple as just "do not sign".Since when can anyone be forced to fight at a catchweight? If you do not like the terms then do not sign!
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To me hey if both fighters don't care then why should I care.
A fighter that demands another fighter move up or down is being a wimp if you are the welterweight champion and you demand that the junior middleweight comes down to you or the other way around if you are the middleweight champion and you demand the Superwelterweight champion to come up to you then that is wimpy
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Then scrap the belts. What do you need them for? They are nothing but an artificial construct? Why do you need 17 divisions? Greb never asked Tunney to drop to 170. Langford never asked for a pound. Just drop the belts and let it go. You know REAL pound for pound stuff. If a welter thinks he can beat a middle then just both men show up at their best fight night weight. I mean both are fighting south of where they should be right?
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Yeah that's exactly what I'm saying. Nobody should ask somebody else to meet them at their weight that is wimpy. Fight the person at whatever weight what's wrong with that. I feel you are agreeing with what I said. Now in terms of scrapping the belts completely we could not do that because for example just say that Floyd Mayweather challenges golovkin and there is no catch weight just come in at the wait they choose to come in at. Well if Mayweather beats golovkin and we have scrapped all the belts are you implying that may weather is not now the new 160 pound champion then?. The winnner would have to be rewarded for having won a title at the weight of their opponent right?Then scrap the belts. What do you need them for? They are nothing but an artificial construct? Why do you need 17 divisions? Greb never asked Tunney to drop to 170. Langford never asked for a pound. Just drop the belts and let it go. You know REAL pound for pound stuff. If a welter thinks he can beat a middle then just both men show up at their best fight night weight. I mean both are fighting south of where they should be right?
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