Today in Trump

[Spicoli]

A bit of American history:

The striking miners were 10,000 strong on the first day of September 1921 as they charged up the slope of Blair Mountain, propelled by a radical faith in the American dream. According to an Associated Press reporter who crouched behind a log and watched through field glasses, each time they pressed forward, a “veritable wall” of machine gun fire drove them back. As the barrage peeled through the hollows, reminding some of the action they had just seen in the forests of France, the advancing miners soon heard a different sound: deeper, earthshaking explosions. From biplanes above, tear gas, explosive powder and metal bolts rained down. “My God,” screamed one miner fighting his way up Crooked Creek Gap. “They’re bombing us!”
“They” were Sheriff Don Chafin and his deputies, who terrorized the citizens of Logan County, W.Va., by the authority of the coal companies. The miners vastly outnumbered their opponents, but Chafin had the superior position and weapons. “ACTUAL WAR IS RAGING IN LOGAN,” one local paper declared the day before.
The miners were fighting for the right to unionize, and to end the reviled “mine guard system,” a private force of armed guards who brutally enforced the company’s control in the coal fields.



https://dnyuz.com/2023/07/21/the-red...o-stay-buried/

Have to admit to being a bit ignit on some details of this up until a couple of months ago. I stumbled across a couple of vids from Peter Santenello about Appalachia and the industry that peeled the onion back so to speak. After WW I the UMWA was one of the largest in the Country and the coal industry in the area basically operated as an industrialized police state. They essentially lived as serfs or indentured servants in homes owned by the company. I had no idea they were only paid in script that could only be used in company stores at massive prices. If the ‘man of the house’ died in an accident wife’s had 1 week to remarry or be outright evicted kids and all. The Governor of West Virginia was all in with coal back breakers and sounds like it all kicked off into armed opposition when worker and union supporter ex police chief Sid Hatfield was arrested and charged by State Gov. By all accounts he was then gunned down in broad daylight by coal agency union busters. Phony trial followed and no charges stood. Just an insane speck of time that goes overlooked and brushed off. Personally can’t imagine living between the despair and conflict time gap between end of WWI into the Great Depression in the States. It actually looks like beautiful country there in WV but interesting history.

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[Beanz]

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[Master]

Lets hope that chart has ticks all over it by the end.

[TitoFan]

Happy to talk about Trump again and get off this other shitty subject.

Here's AP News' take on things.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-jan...eb24ad69a93925

"Trump was told not to talk to witnesses in 2020 election conspiracy case. That could be a challenge"



Nothing about Trump's legal cases and proceedings are "normal." Trump is an outsized personality and former President. All of this causes everyone to walk on unprecedented territory. All I hope is that the intelligent minds involved act swiftly and without fear. Trump is a BULLY and will continue to try and coerce things from people. PLUS... he's still got his legions of Minions to do his talking for him.

[palmerq]

Lets hope that chart has ticks all over it by the end.

I think Georgia one is scheduled for next week

[Kirkland Laing]

Co-conspirator 2 in the latest indictment:

John Eastman Comes Clean: Hell Yes We Were Trying to Overthrow the Government


January 6th conspirators have spent more than two years claiming either that nothing really happened at all in the weeks leading up to January 6th or that it was just a peaceful protest that got a bit out of hand or that they were just making a good faith effort to follow the legal process. Eastman cuts through all of this and makes clear they were trying to overthrow (“abolish”) the government; they were justified in doing so; and the warrant for their actions is none other than the Declaration of Independence itself.
“Our Founders lay this case out,” says Eastman. “There’s actually a provision in the Declaration of Independence that a people will suffer abuses while they remain sufferable, tolerable while they remain tolerable. At some point abuses become so intolerable that it becomes not only their right but their duty to alter or abolish the existing government.”
“So that’s the question,” he tells Klingenstein. “Have the abuses or the threat of abuses become so intolerable that we have to be willing to push back?”
The answer for Eastman is clearly yes, and that’s his justification for his and his associates extraordinary actions.



https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog...the-government





Of all the quotes in this ordeal, the one that continues to stand out in my mind is Trump instructing his acting attorney general in December 2020 to "just say that the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the Republican congressmen." Indictment revives it.



https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/1686507972690685952






Millions of Americans are immersed in a twisted world where language used to describe autocrats is being applied to America's democratic institutions.

The draconian rhetoric, once reserved for the likes of tyrants and dictators, has become commonplace in right-wing media when referring to President Joe Biden and the elected government he leads. The dark and sinister language, normalized on mainstream conservative platforms such as Fox News, has been on full display this week during coverage of Donald Trump's third indictment.

TheBiden White House is referred to as the "Biden regime." Federal law enforcement are referred to as the "Gestapo" and Biden’s "personal police force." Institutions such as the Department of Justice are referred to as "the Department of Injustice." The indictments against Trump are referred to as "political war crimes" and an "assassination."

Talk of imprisoning Democratic politicians — and even their families — in acts of revenge is par for the course. Even floating the outright execution of Biden, as Charlie Kirk recently did, is accepted in the warped world of MAGA Media, where the audience has been programmed through years of conditioning to welcome such vile rhetoric into their homes.

None of this is an exaggeration. It is the reality of what is being broadcast in millions of homes across the country.

It's all part of a larger trend that has dramatically disfigured the conservative media since Trump ascended to power. With the aim of portraying progressives as an evil force in America, right-wing media's most popular figures and outlets have casually appended despotic terms to Biden and his administration.

The extreme vernacular often flies under the radar, drawing eye rolls from those outside this alternate universe and receiving little media attention. But it shouldn't. Language carries with it serious consequences. And repeatedly conveying to millions of people that their democratically elected leader is a tyrant out to nefariously use the force of government to target and imprison his political opposition carries with it great risk.

"I think it's hard to overstate the dangers here: This language moves beyond mere demonization because it suggests a need for violent resistance," Charlie Sykes, a former conservative talk-radio host and an editor-at-large of The Bulwark, told me Thursday. "It's language that undermines the integrity, the democratic institutions, and the justice system itself. And there's a constant escalation without much concern where this leads or who might act on the idea that our opponents aren't just wrong — but evil, dangerous, and illegitimate."

Sykes smartly pointed out, "One does not argue, debate or disagree with the gestapo." Instead, "You go to war with them."




https://view.newsletters.cnn.com/mes...4142aefac4ac54





I seem to remember a certain gentleman allegedly from Kenya being referred to as a tyrant once or twice in years gone by. This stuff is not new and it's going to get a lot worse.





Stop what you’re doing and listen to every word that Trump’s former AG Bill Barr utters here.Remarkable that he is admitting this so plainly. Good for him—and even better for our country.



https://twitter.com/HeathMayo/status...87640638398464

[Kirkland Laing]

A bit of American history:

The striking miners were 10,000 strong on the first day of September 1921 as they charged up the slope of Blair Mountain, propelled by a radical faith in the American dream. According to an Associated Press reporter who crouched behind a log and watched through field glasses, each time they pressed forward, a “veritable wall” of machine gun fire drove them back. As the barrage peeled through the hollows, reminding some of the action they had just seen in the forests of France, the advancing miners soon heard a different sound: deeper, earthshaking explosions. From biplanes above, tear gas, explosive powder and metal bolts rained down. “My God,” screamed one miner fighting his way up Crooked Creek Gap. “They’re bombing us!”
“They” were Sheriff Don Chafin and his deputies, who terrorized the citizens of Logan County, W.Va., by the authority of the coal companies. The miners vastly outnumbered their opponents, but Chafin had the superior position and weapons. “ACTUAL WAR IS RAGING IN LOGAN,” one local paper declared the day before.
The miners were fighting for the right to unionize, and to end the reviled “mine guard system,” a private force of armed guards who brutally enforced the company’s control in the coal fields.



https://dnyuz.com/2023/07/21/the-red...o-stay-buried/

Have to admit to being a bit ignit on some details of this up until a couple of months ago. I stumbled across a couple of vids from Peter Santenello about Appalachia and the industry that peeled the onion back so to speak. After WW I the UMWA was one of the largest in the Country and the coal industry in the area basically operated as an industrialized police state. They essentially lived as serfs or indentured servants in homes owned by the company. I had no idea they were only paid in script that could only be used in company stores at massive prices. If the ‘man of the house’ died in an accident wife’s had 1 week to remarry or be outright evicted kids and all. The Governor of West Virginia was all in with coal back breakers and sounds like it all kicked off into armed opposition when worker and union supporter ex police chief Sid Hatfield was arrested and charged by State Gov. By all accounts he was then gunned down in broad daylight by coal agency union busters. Phony trial followed and no charges stood. Just an insane speck of time that goes overlooked and brushed off. Personally can’t imagine living between the despair and conflict time gap between end of WWI into the Great Depression in the States. It actually looks like beautiful country there in WV but interesting history.

I thought British mining history had some horrific events but this definitely beats it. I'm sure I read something similar but a different part of the country, maybe Appalachia and I was going to get back to it but never did. I like ignit.

[Kirkland Laing]

If you're a female athlete you do not have the right not to compete against a trans athlete. Every week there is some event where trans athletes compete against female athletes. If such a right existed there'd be endless lawsuits from religious and other anti trans groups seeking injunctions and ruling the participation of trans athletes unconstitutional. What you do have is a bunch of recent laws passed in certain states that ban trans athletes from taking part in sports events. In this case it's the rights of trans athletes that have been taken away.

Wow. Ok. I guess we'll just have to agree to (vehemently) disagree.

If you're a teacher or professor you do not have the right not to call students by their preferred pronouns. You can read about it here:

An Indiana school district did not violate a former music teacher's rights by pushing him to resign after the man refused to use transgender students' names and gender pronouns, a federal appeals court said in an order released Friday.
The decision from the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a prior ruling in the case by a federal judge.



https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...nouns/3115061/



There have been various cases going the other way in state courts but this is the first federal ruling and it's one step below Supreme Court level. I don't think even this Supreme Court will waste its capital and credibility on this issue so this would appear to be the law of the land as far as federal laws apply in various states. There is certainly no right derived from the constitution for teachers to refuse to use whatever pronouns students prefer and that's from the second highest court in the land.

Whatever. You can quote all the laws you want. It doesn't make it right. All it does is prove what a fucked-up world we live in, where reality is being destroyed by the made-up fantasies of a deluded (but powerful) few.

And you don't have a constitutional right to not have your kids taught whatever. Right now in the majority of the country kids are given some level of sex and gender at elementary school even though it boils the piss of millions of parents. Just they live in areas where the school boards support this being done. They have no right to prevent it as the law in pretty much every state is that local school boards decide the curriculum.


This short video will help you understand the difference between laws and rights and how they're applied an interpreted in your country:

Forget it. I don't need to watch a video to help me understand what's wrong and what's right. Laws are routinely drawn up to satisfy the people with the most pull in a society. Morals and values be damned.
You obviously have no kids... or you'd be a little more sympathetic to the need of parents to be able to raise their little tykes according to their own principles and morals.
If this is wrong and obscene to you... there's little more to talk about.

As far as bullied kids go there are dozens of suicides every year by kids far too young to get any kind of gender treatments. As far as transgender people overall what you've done is mention that you've read a couple of stories about trans people who had treatment killing themselves. But the plural of anecdote is not data. The data is quite clear:

Stop for a second, Kirk. I'm not gonna go toe-to-toe with you on statistics you're going to skew anyway. There's hard evidence on the existence of transitioned suicides that don't come out in the news, because it doesn't fit the LGBTQXYZ Gestapo narrative. ALSO.... have you given a 2nd thought as to WHY these "bullied kids" that are far too young for gender treatment commit suicide?? No... I guess not. Could it possibly be because they weren't given the necessary counseling, love, and direction at home?? No... I guess not. Again... it doesn't fit the narrative.



Just to be clear, you haven't proven a DAMN thing throughout all these arguments. All you have are (passionate, vested, obviously personal-based) opinions. They're no better nor any accurate than mine.

[Kirkland Laing]

"Trump was told not to talk to witnesses in 2020 election conspiracy case. That could be a challenge"

He has the right to remain silent but not the ability.

[TitoFan]

If you're a female athlete you do not have the right not to compete against a trans athlete. Every week there is some event where trans athletes compete against female athletes. If such a right existed there'd be endless lawsuits from religious and other anti trans groups seeking injunctions and ruling the participation of trans athletes unconstitutional. What you do have is a bunch of recent laws passed in certain states that ban trans athletes from taking part in sports events. In this case it's the rights of trans athletes that have been taken away.

Wow. Ok. I guess we'll just have to agree to (vehemently) disagree.

If you're a teacher or professor you do not have the right not to call students by their preferred pronouns. You can read about it here:

An Indiana school district did not violate a former music teacher's rights by pushing him to resign after the man refused to use transgender students' names and gender pronouns, a federal appeals court said in an order released Friday.
The decision from the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a prior ruling in the case by a federal judge.



https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...nouns/3115061/



There have been various cases going the other way in state courts but this is the first federal ruling and it's one step below Supreme Court level. I don't think even this Supreme Court will waste its capital and credibility on this issue so this would appear to be the law of the land as far as federal laws apply in various states. There is certainly no right derived from the constitution for teachers to refuse to use whatever pronouns students prefer and that's from the second highest court in the land.

Whatever. You can quote all the laws you want. It doesn't make it right. All it does is prove what a fucked-up world we live in, where reality is being destroyed by the made-up fantasies of a deluded (but powerful) few.

And you don't have a constitutional right to not have your kids taught whatever. Right now in the majority of the country kids are given some level of sex and gender at elementary school even though it boils the piss of millions of parents. Just they live in areas where the school boards support this being done. They have no right to prevent it as the law in pretty much every state is that local school boards decide the curriculum.


This short video will help you understand the difference between laws and rights and how they're applied an interpreted in your country:

Forget it. I don't need to watch a video to help me understand what's wrong and what's right. Laws are routinely drawn up to satisfy the people with the most pull in a society. Morals and values be damned.
You obviously have no kids... or you'd be a little more sympathetic to the need of parents to be able to raise their little tykes according to their own principles and morals.
If this is wrong and obscene to you... there's little more to talk about.

As far as bullied kids go there are dozens of suicides every year by kids far too young to get any kind of gender treatments. As far as transgender people overall what you've done is mention that you've read a couple of stories about trans people who had treatment killing themselves. But the plural of anecdote is not data. The data is quite clear:

Stop for a second, Kirk. I'm not gonna go toe-to-toe with you on statistics you're going to skew anyway. There's hard evidence on the existence of transitioned suicides that don't come out in the news, because it doesn't fit the LGBTQXYZ Gestapo narrative. ALSO.... have you given a 2nd thought as to WHY these "bullied kids" that are far too young for gender treatment commit suicide?? No... I guess not. Could it possibly be because they weren't given the necessary counseling, love, and direction at home?? No... I guess not. Again... it doesn't fit the narrative.



Just to be clear, you haven't proven a DAMN thing throughout all these arguments. All you have are (passionate, vested, obviously personal-based) opinions. They're no better nor any accurate than mine.

It's ok to disagree.

[Kirkland Laing]

Christianity Today Editor Russell Moore Warns Evangelicals in Crisis As MAGA Derides Teachings of Christ as ‘Liberal Talking Points’


Russell Moore, the editor-in-chief of Christianity Today, spoke to All Things Considered host Scott Detrow this week and sounded the alarm on the state of evangelical Christianity in America.
Moore, who was once a top official in the Southern Baptist Convention, declared Christianity it the U.S. to be in “crisis,” arguing that the church has become “tribalized and factionalized” along with the rest of American society.
Moore spoke to Detrow about his new book, Losing Our Religion: An Altar Call For Evangelical America, and offered some unique insights into evangelical America.
“It was the result of having multiple pastors tell me, essentially, the same story about quoting the Sermon on the Mount, parenthetically, in their preaching — ‘turn the other cheek’ — to have someone come up after to say, ‘Where did you get those liberal talking points?’” Moore told Detrow during the interview.
“And what was alarming to me is that in most of these scenarios, when the pastor would say, ‘I’m literally quoting Jesus Christ,’ the response would not be, ‘I apologize.’ The response would be, ‘Yes, but that doesn’t work anymore. That’s weak.’ And when we get to the point where the teachings of Jesus himself are seen as subversive to us, then we’re in a crisis,” he concluded.



https://www.mediaite.com/politics/ch...alking-points/





This doesn't seem promising.

[Spicoli]

I realize it was warm in New Hampshire but ffs get that man a dew rag or a roll of those paper towels he was tossing around year ago. A minute into that speech and ol former president Gravy stain was soaking wet. They’ve upped the spray tan game though as somehow his make up wasn’t running down his jacket.

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[NoSavingByTheBell]

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