Genuine Question: Why do people stay poor?

[Dia bando]

And why does Denilson get a pass on saying that black people are poor? Do black people get a free pass on the offensive stakes?

Double standards of course mate the PC warriors outraged that someone speaks out
Miles fancy speaking you mind watch your Ps and Q's the fear of being called a racist
I totally agree the Black racist carrys on with impunity why because of fear everybody being classed as a bigot racist etc.
You live your Life you choose a path I know a few people who did not have the best upbringing but they went on to adult education and made something of themselves.
Trouble is with poverty people love to bragg how poor they are !!

[Dark Lord Al]

And why does Denilson get a pass on saying that black people are poor? Do black people get a free pass on the offensive stakes?

Double standards of course mate the PC warriors outraged that someone speaks out
Miles fancy speaking you mind watch your Ps and Q's the fear of being called a racist
I totally agree the Black racist carrys on with impunity why because of fear everybody being classed as a bigot racist etc.
You live your Life you choose a path I know a few people who did not have the best upbringing but they went on to adult education and made something of themselves.
Trouble is with poverty people love to bragg how poor they are !!

Nobody takes what Denise says seriously.
He is a worthless peasant who has been brainwashed by the death cult.
Little man , little victim.
Fucking boo hoo.

[Gandalf]

And why does Denilson get a pass on saying that black people are poor? Do black people get a free pass on the offensive stakes?

Double standards of course mate the PC warriors outraged that someone speaks out
Miles fancy speaking you mind watch your Ps and Q's the fear of being called a racist
I totally agree the Black racist carrys on with impunity why because of fear everybody being classed as a bigot racist etc.
You live your Life you choose a path I know a few people who did not have the best upbringing but they went on to adult education and made something of themselves.
Trouble is with poverty people love to bragg how poor they are !!

I don't mind him being a complete racist, but it was funny that he was the one saying black people are poor to begin with and me saying it was choice was apparently the very devilish thing to do. I just think people do happen to have some agency over their lives. Exactly people from poor beginnings can and often do just fine. On the flip side many do not. It is about choices at the end of the day.

[Denilson-The-Comeback]

I've only tried to answer the questions that I've not answered b4.

1. I have been called racist a number of times, but don't really care. I will stand by data and science and if that is thought crime, then I take it on the chin, bad boy.

Of course if your in a system of white supremacy, a system of racism, then your always going to need some kind of scientific rationale to justify that system. That's why white supremacist are always running around trying to prove how stupid black ppl are (Bell Curve) and trying to prove how violent black people are.

But if you think science can settle moral questions, you need only look at the differing scientific opinions over climate change, or evolution to see how wrong your assumptions can be.

If you rest your claim on scientific knowledge and then the scientific knowledge changes, you are duty bound to change morality. No ?

2. You didn't read the second post in this thread. This thread is about first world problems. Regardless, if I was to go and work in Kenya, then I would be earning a few dollars a day like anyone else.

"First World" ? Even using those words shows how deeply soaked you are in a white supremacist world view.

You have a choice if you wanted to work in Kenya earning a few dollars. Local Ppl earning a few dollars in Kenya don't have that choice.

That's the difference.

They can't hop on a plane when sh*t get's too heavy and go to bk to your world like the way you can.

It is enough to give you what you need in the environment you are in. Nobody is dying in the millions because of poverty there.

People don't die from poverty in Kenya ?

Really ?



There should be no-one dying of poverty and hunger any where on the planet. None. Zero

It’s the scorched earth shit. They (the white supremacist) fk up the water over there. They fk up the earth so they cant grow anything and then and then give them a bag of rice in exchange for a bag of diamonds.

The mobile phone or I-phone you have in your pocket, or laptop would not even work without Congolese coltan

And who do you think mines that ? Yup black Africans.



Who controls Coltan deposits over there ? Apple (The biggest company in the world)

Africa has the biggest stores of

• Gold and diamonds
• Oil
• Cocoa
• Timber

Not to mention Iron, Platinum, Uranium, Chromium. Even Cement is exported from Egypt and Morocco. Also Africa is one of the most diverse geological continents.

The African countries are held hostage through debt. The debt payback is done by getting more resources at low prices. Meanwhile local infrastructures are crumbling, social programmes and local developments are cut because of the paybacks.

The debt relief comes with a price. The African resource producing countries have to sell everything for a special discount price which opens the doors to all sorts of speculations from foreign investors demanding high returns.

Another by-product the west is expecting from their ‘generous gestures’ is to get positive votes at the next UN assembly. Any African who goes against it ? They threaten the local authorities to pull their funds out or threaten them to initiate another government turnover.

3. I was not Born in the USA.

And that means what ? White supremacy is global.

I am not Bruce Springsteen.

What has Springsteen got to do with anything ?

4. You say there is no social mobility, but with good guidance any smart person can do something that pays reasonably well. Forget dreams of millions of dollars like Beyonce, but a real life in the here and now and people can be vets, doctors, teachers, scientists, fitness instructors. These are not all the realm of the super elite. But you do need discipline, guidance and smarts!

But in order to become a vets, doctors, teachers, scientists and less so a fitness instructors you need an education and education is part of the system of white supremacy.

Black kids are punished more harshly than white kids for minor behavioral infractions, even if they commit those infractions no more frequently than whites.

Black children are tracked into basic and remedial level classes while white kids are tracked into advanced and honors classes (whether or not they show promise and even sometimes quite a bit less)

Why are predominantly Black school districts are under-funded ?
Why are predominantly Black school districts under-staffed with inexperienced teachers ?
Why are predominantly Black school districts denied books ?
Why are predominantly Black school districts denied microscopes and other lab equipment ?
Why are predominantly Black school districts always have hazardous waste near by black schools ?
Why are predominantly Black school districts always have to cut art and music classes, sports teams and sometimes hot meals in a cafeteria ?

Answer = Because we live in system of white supremacy.

And even when black people do navigate our way through all that B.S, black grads are still less likely than whites to get a job, still paid less, still less likely for career advancement

[Denilson-The-Comeback]

5. This is where I think broken families and a lack of role models is the biggest issue and that is on parents to display RESPONSIBILITY towards those they bring into the world.

Once again. Barack Obama did not have kids out of wedlock. He was a good father. That did not stop the white supremacists from coming after him

Illegitimacy has been rising across the West. In France and Sweden, for example, most children are no longer born to married women. That is a sea change in Western society that goes way beyond Black America.



The birth rate among unmarried Black women has been dropping since the early 90's – meaning that they are acting more responsibly, not less. The reason the illegitimacy rate goes up is because the birth rate among married Black women has been dropping even faster, something that has been going on since the 1950s.



Also an illegitimate birth tells you nothing about whether the mother lives with the father or gets married later, just as a legitimate birth tells you nothing about divorce, separation or incarceration.

8. No, in the UK no race is more advantaged than any other race legally, but personal decisions are another matter and that is where inequality comes from. It is one of the most racially tolerant places in the

Does racism exist ? Because if you are saying that "no race is more advantaged than any other race" then your saying that racism does not exist. Right ? Because the whole point of white supremacy is to give white a head start.

9. I am naturally smart, so obviously I have no issues passing courses, interviews and things of this nature.

"I'm naturally smart" Get over yourself (lol)

Because when you sought admission to a university, applied for a job, went for an interview, almost all of the people who evaluated you for those things looked like you, they were white. They saw in you a reflection of themselves, and in a racist world that is an advantage. You smiled. You are white. You were one of them. You were not dangerous. Even when you got angry, you were cut some slack. After all, your white. White privilege has meant that scores of second-rate white ppl have slid through the system because their flaws were overlooked out of solidarity based on race.

11. What is this white privilege that I have? I know a black person in the same position as me. Paid the same, treated the same. Seems pretty equal and based on ability to me.

White privilege works in 3 ways

1) Material (greater opportunity in the labor market, or greater net worth, due to a history in which whites had the ability to accumulate wealth to a greater extent than blk ppl)
2) Social (such as presumptions of competence, creditworthiness, law-abidingness, intelligence)
3) Psychological (not having to worry about triggering negative stereotypes, rarely having to feel out of place, not having to worry about racial profiling, etc.).

White privilege is the flipside of discrimination against black people.

If you are saying white privilege does not exist, then you must also say racism does not exist

There can be no down without an up

If black people are the targets of discrimination, in housing, employment, the justice system, or elsewhere, then whites, by definition, are being elevated above those black ppl.

12. I want no sympathy at all as I do not stay poor, bank each month, and have all I need. Didn't even need to sell drugs, but I guess that is because of my privilege.

Yes it is.

Pull yourself together, Dennis. We will help you get a job, give you investment advice, and get you through. Not all white men are out to get you.

Denilson is doing very ok. In fact if you knew what I do and how much money I earn..... I'd shock the pants off you.

But I also know that the white supremacist could take everything I have away from me if they wanted. So I don't get fooled by my money. I understand I live in a system of white supremacy

[Gandalf]

LOL, will respond to that salad later! But I am having a good chuckle. Do you honestly believe half of this stuff? It is like X being a supremacist. You don't seem to know me ery well. I haven't been interviewed by a white person in about 20 years. Later, Dennis. Ever wonder why I clock off at this time. No white supremacists where I am. 🙄

[walrus]

I've only tried to answer the questions that I've not answered b4.

1. I have been called racist a number of times, but don't really care. I will stand by data and science and if that is thought crime, then I take it on the chin, bad boy.

Of course if your in a system of white supremacy, a system of racism, then your always going to need some kind of scientific rationale to justify that system. That's why white supremacist are always running around trying to prove how stupid black ppl are (Bell Curve) and trying to prove how violent black people are.

But if you think science can settle moral questions, you need only look at the differing scientific opinions over climate change, or evolution to see how wrong your assumptions can be.

If you rest your claim on scientific knowledge and then the scientific knowledge changes, you are duty bound to change morality. No ?

2. You didn't read the second post in this thread. This thread is about first world problems. Regardless, if I was to go and work in Kenya, then I would be earning a few dollars a day like anyone else.

"First World" ? Even using those words shows how deeply soaked you are in a white supremacist world view.

You have a choice if you wanted to work in Kenya earning a few dollars. Local Ppl earning a few dollars in Kenya don't have that choice.

That's the difference.

They can't hop on a plane when sh*t get's too heavy and go to bk to your world like the way you can.

It is enough to give you what you need in the environment you are in. Nobody is dying in the millions because of poverty there.

People don't die from poverty in Kenya ?

Really ?



There should be no-one dying of poverty and hunger any where on the planet. None. Zero

It’s the scorched earth shit. They (the white supremacist) fk up the water over there. They fk up the earth so they cant grow anything and then and then give them a bag of rice in exchange for a bag of diamonds.

The mobile phone or I-phone you have in your pocket, or laptop would not even work without Congolese coltan

And who do you think mines that ? Yup black Africans.



Who controls Coltan deposits over there ? Apple (The biggest company in the world)

Africa has the biggest stores of

• Gold and diamonds
• Oil
• Cocoa
• Timber

Not to mention Iron, Platinum, Uranium, Chromium. Even Cement is exported from Egypt and Morocco. Also Africa is one of the most diverse geological continents.

The African countries are held hostage through debt. The debt payback is done by getting more resources at low prices. Meanwhile local infrastructures are crumbling, social programmes and local developments are cut because of the paybacks.

The debt relief comes with a price. The African resource producing countries have to sell everything for a special discount price which opens the doors to all sorts of speculations from foreign investors demanding high returns.

Another by-product the west is expecting from their ‘generous gestures’ is to get positive votes at the next UN assembly. Any African who goes against it ? They threaten the local authorities to pull their funds out or threaten them to initiate another government turnover.

3. I was not Born in the USA.

And that means what ? White supremacy is global.

I am not Bruce Springsteen.

What has Springsteen got to do with anything ?

4. You say there is no social mobility, but with good guidance any smart person can do something that pays reasonably well. Forget dreams of millions of dollars like Beyonce, but a real life in the here and now and people can be vets, doctors, teachers, scientists, fitness instructors. These are not all the realm of the super elite. But you do need discipline, guidance and smarts!

But in order to become a vets, doctors, teachers, scientists and less so a fitness instructors you need an education and education is part of the system of white supremacy.

Black kids are punished more harshly than white kids for minor behavioral infractions, even if they commit those infractions no more frequently than whites.

Black children are tracked into basic and remedial level classes while white kids are tracked into advanced and honors classes (whether or not they show promise and even sometimes quite a bit less)

Why are predominantly Black school districts are under-funded ?
Why are predominantly Black school districts under-staffed with inexperienced teachers ?
Why are predominantly Black school districts denied books ?
Why are predominantly Black school districts denied microscopes and other lab equipment ?
Why are predominantly Black school districts always have hazardous waste near by black schools ?
Why are predominantly Black school districts always have to cut art and music classes, sports teams and sometimes hot meals in a cafeteria ?

Answer = Because we live in system of white supremacy.

And even when black people do navigate our way through all that B.S, black grads are still less likely than whites to get a job, still paid less, still less likely for career advancement

So big D the Apple white supremacists own the mines. Guess again, it’s blacks keeping other blacks. You really are stupid

Various military groups have controlled the mineral deposits and exploited the local population. After the illicit coltan is relabeled and sent to legitimate smelters, it is processed and made into capacitors, and sold to electronics companies such as Apple, Samsung, IBM, Dell, Sony, Cisco, HP and a host of others.

The United Nations has a peacekeeping force of thousands in the DRC, in a region that has more than 30 armed groups, including anti-government forces, and a president who has remained beyond his term. Aside from the rebels, militias and organized crime organizations are profiting from control of coltan, foreign corporations exploit the country for its minerals without paying billions of dollars in taxes. The Friends of the Congo identified the following corporations as some of the key players in the foreign exploitation of the Congo: Cabot Corporation, OM Group, AVX, Eagle Wings Resources International, Trinitech International, Kemet Electronics Corporation, and Vishay Sprague in the U.S.; HC Starc and EPCOS (Germany); Nigncxia (China), and George Forrest International (Belgium). Neighboring countries in Central Africa participate in the exploitation as well. The organization noted that while Uganda and Rwanda have little or no coltan, their exports of the mineral increased exponentially during the military conflict in the DRC.

According to the U.N. Security Council, Burundi, Uganda and Rwanda and their proxy militias have benefited from conflict in the DRC and have engaged in “mass-scale looting” of the country’s natural resources. “Key individual actors, on the one hand, including top army commanders and businessmen, and government structures, on the other, have been the engines of that systematic and systemic exploitation,” said the Security Council in a resolution.

[Dia bando]

The poor of Africa Robert Mugabe starved his own people and he amassed a fortune and guess what other black leaders never condoned him for his actions.
In reality he could not run a bath never mind a country imagine a white leader done such a thing.
Africa is rich in natural resources and is extremely fertile but alas it is ruled by corruption .
I am 59 years old they were starving when I was a child sorry to say it in a hundred years time nothing will change.

[Gandalf]

Beanz, you continually misrepresent what I say. I think you take it personally too because you like to take things the wrong way and are poor. You wish you could have done things differently, you wish you could have seen more of the world, but you made your choices in life and there you are. You chose your poverty. You have made it clear the numerous times you have whined about selling your things and earning 25 pounds a week. You choose not to realize your potential. You think somehow the life of an artist is honest and true, but who does that really provide for at the end of the day? Thus when you see someone like me who is successful, who did have the discipline to pursue something that does help others and is fun, who does bank, who does have freedom, it triggers the hostility in you. You are a jealous, petty, spiteful little sick aging man and the clock is ticking. Tick tock.

You can rant until the sun comes up about me, but it shows I am under your skin. You think about me in the day, as you fall asleep at night. You are always thinking 'I will look for any turn of phrase I can because that gives my life meaning when I am on a 2 hour work week and frustrated'. You even send me long pm's, telling me how you are leaving only to reverse 3 days later as your life is far from full of community and joy. You are at home and need the conflict to make you feel you are doing your thing. It helps you escape the tedium that is you. You have to be at war. Thus enemies must be constructed, you lose your shit over jokes, you will rant for paragraphs over a flippant turn of phrase. If Spicoli started a thread about morning pick ips uou would have said NOTHING and you know it. You are selective, manipulative and a cunt. I caught you out on that one for giggles. I play you like a violin, Beanz.

There is nothing more to Larry. He is the frustrated little boy always the victim raised in a cult, fighting the government that he thinks owes him a living, fighting the forum bad guys, hating on the very people that told him he really did not need to leave, when a really mean person would have said 'Great, the forum is now a happier, calmer, more friendly place'. Still in a cult only a different one, but failing to see how unpopular it makes him look.

I am a bit bored with it myself if I am honest. So this is one of 3 final posts to come. I will show you how to leave a forum.

[Gandalf]

@Denilson

1. Okay, so you are now going to deny hundreds of scientific investigations. IQ is the one of the most tested aspects there is when it comes to evaluating human intelligence and behavior. Unlike evolution, or global warming, you and I can take an IQ test right now and compare scores. We can also then compare our lives. Just me and you, one on one, and come to some conclusions. Either you are smarter than me. Or else I am smarter than you. A shoot out. IQ is of course useful as an overall evaluator of races, genders, age groups, religious types typically large groups of people. If it was down to me and you it would be taking us as individuals and I prefer that approach as there are undeniably very smart black people and some very stupid white people. I am confident I can perform better than you though Denilson and it is not because you are black.

2. What does it matter if it is only a few dollars if that an buy you what you need in the environment you are in? I have a friend in Thailand who earns far less than I do. However, his money is more than enough to live well in the financial system he is in. If you live in the UK then you will earn more still, but often find it is a struggle to drink as plentifully due to the cost of a drink these days in a pub. These things are all relative Denilson. My parents in law grew up very poor, but there was always access to the cleanest organic produce. We basically had knock off tins of processed meat. All relative.

3. People die from poverty anywhere, Denilson. They die in the UK, they die in America, inevitably some will die in Kenya too. My argument is that poor people should think very carefully about having children if they are poor. Otherwise, it can be a very callous act.

4. You are happy for white south African farmers to get killed for rare minerals, but get upset when it is black people. I would suggest it is unfair in both instances. I think you are a bit of a hypocrite there Denilson.

5. Bruce Springsteen is very important to this as he has made several of the most excellent albums of the past 50 years. I know you don't like those kinds of beats, so I will move on from Bruce.

6. No, black kids are having more problems because they tend to have more environmental, family, and cultural problems. If nobody is going to encourage you to study well or if you do not have the aptitude to study well as many white and black kids indeed struggle with education then yes it will be more difficult. However, becoming a fitness instructor is not rocket science. I had a friend who became a PE teacher. I was way ahead of him in terms of academic performance, but his parents knew his limitations and guided him somewhere more practical and good for him. If you are not going to use your opportunities then that is on you and all families and children need to be aware of that. Life is not a game and you only get with hard work. Stop making excuses. Inevitably kids from broken homes are going to become more wayward and struggle thus adults need to make better relationship decisions. Always excuses with you, Denilson.

7. Underfunded, whine, whine, whine. How do you learn? You take the initiative and you read and learn. Everything you need is out there. You can learn a language with a cell phone these days, you have access to all the information you need. The school should only be the beginning of education. I tell students all the time that the classroom is only part of it. You need to study in your own time, practice and make yourself a better person. That is education. School budgets? Always excuses. If you have a teacher, two parents, and available information resources, then what else are you looking for? A free pass? Affirmative action? Get over yourself a little.

8. I was laughing at your last post because frankly you are funny. I agree with you on some things like multinational corporations exploiting countries, but on others I think you excuse a complete lack of self responsibility. The chap I sat next to in primary school is a junky with a long criminal past. It is awful of course, but it was his choice. I chose differently. Both white and that's life sometimes. We all have it rough and either you sort it out or you don't.

Two more posts to go. I wish you well Denilson and hope you get the chip off your shoulder. People do more often than not choose to be poor. If I go out partying like I was 25, I would get poor again and likely dead too. Choices.

[Gandalf]

For Denilson: Listen to this man and learn something. Good luck!

[Denilson-The-Comeback]

Let's start with this IQ thing first

1. Okay, so you are now going to deny hundreds of scientific investigations. IQ is the one of the most tested aspects there is when it comes to evaluating human intelligence and behavior. Unlike evolution, or global warming, you and I can take an IQ test right now and compare scores. We can also then compare our lives. Just me and you, one on one, and come to some conclusions. Either you are smarter than me. Or else I am smarter than you. A shoot out. IQ is of course useful as an overall evaluator of races, genders, age groups, religious types typically large groups of people. If it was down to me and you it would be taking us as individuals and I prefer that approach as there are undeniably very smart black people and some very stupid white people. I am confident I can perform better than you though Denilson and it is not because you are black.

Call me intellectually inferior all day

I don't give a sh*t about that

Listen to yourself

"Either you are smarter than me. Or else I am smarter than you. A shoot out. "

You sound like seven years old (lol)

Ok. You're smarter than me dude. Considering that seems to be so important to you. You can have it.

Because all I want to know from all you guys who are always running around trying to prove how stupid black people are is three questions :

1) If IQ is so important then why don't you drive you argument to it's logical conclusions : That is why not give all the top positions to those with the highest IQ ? Why have elections ? Why have job interviews or resumes ? Just give you all them the person with the highest IQ ?

2) If you are trying to ground IQ as a genetic product of race the very first thing you NEED to do is offer up a genetic or biological definition of race.

Something no one has not done nor has any study.

But I always, sit back, invite guys like you to me give such a definition. Mainly because their fumbling attempts to define race point out just how subjective such definitions are.

In close to 15 years of debating race and IQ and genetics.

I have yet to see any one of them, no matter what their scientific c credentials, offer up an acceptably neutral definition of race.

And finally and by far the most important question

3) What do you do with a race of black people who you are claiming are not as smart as white people (on av) ?