Wilder resume.

[Mark TKO]

Well mine would have been safely on wilder. I have no doubt that joshua would have been ahead and been leading on all scorecards but in 36 minutes Wilder would land. And it would be over

[Spicoli]

Fantastic post by @Spicoli there. If people don’t get the message now, I suppose they never will.

Thanks bud. Just interesting to dig into glossy records. Sometimes boxing has the ability to massage and stack numbers like a casino dealer.

[Spicoli]

Joshua v the Wilder who Fury fought the first time. Where would all your money have been with a gun to your head?

Is it a water pistol by any chance . Cannot unsee what actually played out at that time but end of the day I had Joshua beating Wilder. But I never saw it concrete and 100 percent certain. Afterall...it's boxing. AJ was months away from being demolished by Ruiz when Wilder fought Fury. His whole attitude was shat leading up to and entering. He felt all he had to do was stuff a punch in the fat man...who could actually fight a bit...and he'd win. Standing in his corner at intro chewing on his mouthpiece, staring into the lights and slouching. But would he have that let-down mind set if it was Wilder, I don't see it. He'd be sharp and more so feel the live threat of a Wilder who had yet to be torn down clean. But AJ also doesn't get full credit for coming back and actually adjusting. May be crazy to say but in a way he may have gotten slightly better after being dumped on his ass. Certainly shown more gears. He didn't just 'lose' to a fighter in Usyk. He lost to one of the top technical fighters and boxing minds of an era and improved in rematch. I see Wilder having his moment but AJ survives and he's not just sitting there waiting for Wilder to drop a telegraphed wind up bomb. He'd be a 230 lb+ heavyweight throwing back, better timing and in combination with his own legit power bombs. Too many tools for Wilder then and def now. Wins either time.

Damn shame we missed it tbh. No matter who you pull for this fight should have happened years ago! Way too many of those 'big' fights falling by the wayside today.

[Mark TKO]

I accept all these opinions on AJ win.

I mean they're completely wrong but I do accept them.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Wilder sneaks thru the Heat Seeking missile EASIER than Klit did and with WAY, WAY more force. Joshua ain't getting up. Deontay KO 6

[TIC]

deontay was always smoke & mirrors. he did well with what he had & starting late but his career was carefully maneuvered

[Big J]

Did Wilder over- achieve?
He started boxing at like 20
I'm sure we all agree he wasn't the best technically
With the help of some strategic match-making they got him to Stiverne
I remember many thinking he'd lose
Who expected him to come out & box, winning almost every round?
Then he got to his 1st real big challenge in Ortiz
However much he struggled in that fight he ended it with a shot gun blast in the 10th
He then fought Fury with lineal claims to a draw dropping him twice & with a different ref in a different place the fight could have been stopped
He put Breazeale to sleep & gave Ortiz a rematch
He then re-matched Fury & took a beating
He came back for more though & dropped Fury twice more in their 3rd fight
I personally think his record is thin but he achieved much more than I expected him to

[TitoFan]

Did Wilder over- achieve?
He started boxing at like 20
I'm sure we all agree he wasn't the best technically
With the help of some strategic match-making they got him to Stiverne
I remember many thinking he'd lose
Who expected him to come out & box, winning almost every round?
Then he got to his 1st real big challenge in Ortiz
However much he struggled in that fight he ended it with a shot gun blast in the 10th
He then fought Fury with lineal claims to a draw dropping him twice & with a different ref in a different place the fight could have been stopped
He put Breazeale to sleep & gave Ortiz a rematch
He then re-matched Fury & took a beating
He came back for more though & dropped Fury twice more in their 3rd fight
I personally think his record is thin but he achieved much more than I expected him to

Thank you for adding a different perspective on this.

In this mostly Wilder-hating forum, it's hard to find anyone that'll give him the credit he deserves. True, I did a 180 on him after his piss-poor performance against Parker. I also feel it's a totally different Wilder now than it was back in the "pre-3rd Fury fight days." Mainly because I think he's let the money and fame get to his head... plus the 3rd Fury fight took everything out of him.

But you're right on point regarding his previous fights and resume. He achieved much more than I expected him to, also.

Plus I'll say for the umpteenth time that a Wilder-Joshua fight (before they both got damaged) would've been a fight for the ages... and I would've given each a 50/50 chance.

[Master]

Wilder has claimed he heard a "rumour" AJ would have ended his illustrious career had he added Parker's name to his list of victims.

He told 78SPORTSTV: "The rumour was he was talking about retiring if I won… March 9th, the fight still can go on.

"But this is a perfect way for them to get out.”

And Wilder has a theory for why Hearn is touting other opponents for the Watford warrior.

He said: “They really don’t want that fight. When I lost, did you see how happy he was coming out?

"I broke out laughing, I said, ‘he's happy as f***."

"I made him able to perform like that. He was like, ‘I ain’t gotta fight Wilder.’"

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/25191...ht-retirement/

[NoSavingByTheBell]

I'm torn between my original impression that Wilder took too much of a beating in the fury 3 fight and would not have really anything left for future fights coupled with the fact that that knockout of Robert helenius was kind of just like a one-trick pony because it looked like Wilder had his eyes shut when he threw the Punch, OR..... If you want to give him the benefit of the doubt maybe he really did just have a bad night out against Parker...

EITHER WAY WILDER IS NOT A GOOD FIGHT FOR ANTHONY JOSHUA BECAUSE IT COULD SPELL TROUBLE AND WILDER ALWAYS HAS THAT HEAT SEEKING MISSILE TO PUT SOMEBODY TO SLEEP., EVEN IF HE LOSES EVERY ROUND IT'S ALWAYS AN IMMINENT THREAT.

I think wilder's reasoning is twisted and wrong but I do think that Anthony Joshua does not want this fight especially not on his little mini so-called comeback that he is making. If Wilder sparked Joshua that would definitely be the end of Joshua's career.

Little Anthony does not need to take this rather big risk

[Primo Carnera]

Really wish we could search further than 4 pages as my opinion really has not changed all that much since he was riding Amir Khan undercards. Very careful and selective match making. For lack of a better term I've always thought he had a lot of 'manufacturing' to thank for being viewed as some mythical Thors hammer and it pretty much showed out once he hit the championship best faced level. His first 25 opponents were woefully bad. Do a deep dive and it's very telling as they were a mix of former Lt heavyweights, cruiserweights, some off multiyear layoffs and others were basically professional stunt men. Simply put...cannon fodder to pad that record with glossy KO's. #15 a Lt hvy. #20 was a Lt hvy 5 years inactive. #25 Damon McCreary debuted at middleweight and came in off a 5-year layoff with just 1 fight over 185. We know fighters have soft touches, but there was a reason his first half were left as highlight clips on Fox Espanol cards or the local bingo hall. Unfortunately Wilder became a fighter who incorporated his flaws as part of his overall game. He got a pass because there was no vital adversity coming back at him. Once you hit the "big stage" you simply cannot learn backwards. Moving forward he became a one trick pony with the now vaunted TV friendly eraser.

There was a mini buzz for his Showtime debut vs the 6'6 ex basketball player Kelvin Price. The manufacture serving its purpose. And coincidentally enough it was also the first WBC awarded to 26-0 Wilder . Then it was to Mexico to ko Matthew Greer who had already been flattened by James Toney and would be flattened by Andy Ruiz two months later. I think Primo had the right idea with a line by line so trying that..

#28- Audley Harrison was used up but was smart marketing. Harrison had a mini run with tourney win and UK debut for Wilder. Fair enough.
#29- Siarhei Liakhovich also used up and 1.5 year out after being KO'd by a 12-0 Bryant Jennings. Think about that. BUT the White Wolf gave Andy Ruiz a good fight next out.
#30- Nicolai Firtha last fight for Firtha. Had already been ko'd by Fury and Tye Fields
#31- Malik Scott does anyone remember Scott wearing a brown paper bag over his head at the weigh in? That actually happened. He was ranked 23 by the WBC
#32- Jason Gavern oof. Nice enough guy. Only thing memorable is how sloppy Wilder was and his literally telling Gavern what punches to throw before the end.
#33- Bermane Stiverne 1. I liked this fight for Wilder. Stiverne in shape and fresh. Actually, thought Wilder fought smart and showed patience and working jab.
#34- Eric Molina. Ranked 26 by the WBC and three months later Molina was ranked 11 . Tough guy though. Easy to forget he had Wilder badly hurt to the body and rocked him before going out.
#35- Johann Duhaupas. Not ranked in top 40 by WBC. Six months later come fight time he was 12 . But a tough dude and another that was a tough fight for Wilder. Recall Wilder being pretty busted up before taking him out.
#36- Artur Szpilka. Came in 6 weeks notice after Wilder vs Glavkov fell thru. One of the first come from behind nice KO's for Wilder. He was getting his ears boxed.
#37- Chris Arreola. Unranked by every sanctioning body and on a bad slide. Saw him get outboxed by Curtis Harper year prior but get w. Wilder claims multiple injuries post fight after Chris stays on his stool.
#38- Gerald Washington. Late sub for Wilder. Another "big" man who was on a little run but limited. Outboxing Wilder before stopped. 5 months later he was stopped by Big Pharma Jarrell Miller.
#39- Bermane Stiverne II. Stiverne late sub and built like a parade float. He had already accepted step aside money to not fight Wilder but replaced Luis Ortiz after he was popped for PEDs. He had no desire to be there but Wilder got that distance win erased and KO monicker back.
#40- Luis Ortiz I. Fresh off half ass PED suspension but ranked 5th by the Ring. This imo was Wilders best win. It was a war and Wilder on the brink of being stopped twice before he came back. Very impressive ko for him all in all.
#41- Tyson Fury I. Tough enough fight but felt Fury largely outboxed and out foxed Wilder. The dramatic KD's were highlights and tilted much of the draw result. But had Fury winning. And it was no turning back with Wilder convinced all he needed was a right hand bomb. Not be a knob, but somewhat the beginning of the end for Wilder.
#42- Dominic Breazeale. Already beaten by Joshua this was a comparable for Wilder. Breazeale had the speed of an ice glacier and was a deer in the headlights. Perfect KO for Wilder.
#43- Luis Ortiz II. Good rematch and repeat of his best win. Again was being outboxed cleanly until catching Ortiz and catapult into Fury rematch.
#44- Tyson Fury II. A needed rematch. But Fury learned from first fight Wilder did not. Gritty but wasted Wilder was beaten from pillar to post and Mark Breland did exactly what a cornerman needed to do, save his fighter. Then he was fired.
#45- Tyson Fury III. Let's be honest. Absolutely no one wanted or needed this fight. Fury was talking BS of an AJ fight all the while knowing Wilder had the legal court order to pull. Wilder huge 4th but again beaten up.
#46- Robert Helenius. Wilder back after year away. Helenius had rebuilt after being flattened by Gerald Washington with wins over hyped Kownacki. Statement KO to say "I still have it" for Wilder, he did what he had to do. And then he dodged matches with top contenders and stayed inactive for 14 months
#47- Joseph Parker. Wilder shows what massive inactivity and constantly overrating his power arrives at. Mentally and physically listless and indifferent throughout. He got complacent, too content and over fed waiting on "big Saudi money" and it all blew up on him. The End.

@Spicoli could you repost this please , i think some people missed it first time round.
infact if you don't , I'm gonna copy and paste it 20 times and post it!

[Spicoli]

Did Wilder over- achieve?
He started boxing at like 20
I'm sure we all agree he wasn't the best technically
With the help of some strategic match-making they got him to Stiverne
I remember many thinking he'd lose
Who expected him to come out & box, winning almost every round?
Then he got to his 1st real big challenge in Ortiz
However much he struggled in that fight he ended it with a shot gun blast in the 10th
He then fought Fury with lineal claims to a draw dropping him twice & with a different ref in a different place the fight could have been stopped
He put Breazeale to sleep & gave Ortiz a rematch
He then re-matched Fury & took a beating
He came back for more though & dropped Fury twice more in their 3rd fight
I personally think his record is thin but he achieved much more than I expected him to

Fair enough perspective but again save for Ortiz he won and lost every fight I thought he would, one fans pov. Well and then of course there was Parker . And the strategic match making not only led to Stiverne...who won the title as a rated underdog vs Chris Arreola...but continued after. Considering what he was working with and obvious flaws we all saw, sure he did well for himself. But I see it more as a flawed over self promoting fighter leveling off once the levels actually and finally ticked up. The man actually thought he was a more dangerous puncher than Tyson ffs .

[Spicoli]

I'm torn between my original impression that Wilder took too much of a beating in the fury 3 fight and would not have really anything left for future fights coupled with the fact that that knockout of Robert helenius was kind of just like a one-trick pony because it looked like Wilder had his eyes shut when he threw the Punch, OR..... If you want to give him the benefit of the doubt maybe he really did just have a bad night out against Parker...

EITHER WAY WILDER IS NOT A GOOD FIGHT FOR ANTHONY JOSHUA BECAUSE IT COULD SPELL TROUBLE AND WILDER ALWAYS HAS THAT HEAT SEEKING MISSILE TO PUT SOMEBODY TO SLEEP., EVEN IF HE LOSES EVERY ROUND IT'S ALWAYS AN IMMINENT THREAT.

I think wilder's reasoning is twisted and wrong but I do think that Anthony Joshua does not want this fight especially not on his little mini so-called comeback that he is making. If Wilder sparked Joshua that would definitely be the end of Joshua's career.

Little Anthony does not need to take this rather big risk

And now AJ has basically put himself in a literal stay busy match with a 0-1-0 trivia question aka Ngannou...or flush career and any and all future down the toilet position. Almost enough to make me wish Wilder would have pulled the miracle vs Parker but it was not to be .

[NoSavingByTheBell]

I'm torn between my original impression that Wilder took too much of a beating in the fury 3 fight and would not have really anything left for future fights coupled with the fact that that knockout of Robert helenius was kind of just like a one-trick pony because it looked like Wilder had his eyes shut when he threw the Punch, OR..... If you want to give him the benefit of the doubt maybe he really did just have a bad night out against Parker...

EITHER WAY WILDER IS NOT A GOOD FIGHT FOR ANTHONY JOSHUA BECAUSE IT COULD SPELL TROUBLE AND WILDER ALWAYS HAS THAT HEAT SEEKING MISSILE TO PUT SOMEBODY TO SLEEP., EVEN IF HE LOSES EVERY ROUND IT'S ALWAYS AN IMMINENT THREAT.

I think wilder's reasoning is twisted and wrong but I do think that Anthony Joshua does not want this fight especially not on his little mini so-called comeback that he is making. If Wilder sparked Joshua that would definitely be the end of Joshua's career.

Little Anthony does not need to take this rather big risk

And now AJ has basically put himself in a literal stay busy match with a 0-1-0 trivia question aka Ngannou...or flush career and any and all future down the toilet position. Almost enough to make me wish Wilder would have pulled the miracle vs Parker but it was not to be .

What's astonishing is that everyone made fun of Tyson Fury for fighting this guy and now Joshua wants to do the same thing? With very good reason he is now going to get double the criticism.

Imagine how much worse it would actually be if Wilder had won that fight and Joshua still chose to fight Francis!

[TitoFan]

Bottom line is... any possibility of Wilder vs Joshua was blown out of the water thanks to Wilder's pitiful effort against Parker. And there's only one person to blame for that.

Wilder.

We're all left to our theories and conjectures about undamaged Wilder vs undamaged Joshua. They range from "Joshua would've swept the floor with Wilder".... to "Wilder connects on Joshua and KTFO's him worse than Ruiz ever did."

And that's all they are... theories and conjectures.