Thread: Not sold 100% on Dawson Hype.

Dawson has the skill set to become and remain a great champion, but he needs to know his limitations (maybe he thinks he has none). He must work on his stamina (which was an issue in his close and controversial decision win over Glen Johnson and in his dominant win over Antonio Tarver); he needs to stay focused for each and very round. “Bad” tends to fight in spurts and then takes time off to recoup his energy--unlike, say, a Joe Calzaghe or Glen Johnson who seemingly fight and fight and fight with no time off. And there is another tough guy who lurks by the name of Adrian “The Shark” Diaconu.

If Dawson is Calzaghe‘s next opponent (assuming Joe fights on), will his style be made to order for the Pride of Wales? Will he be able to cope with Joe’s constant pressure (remember how Chad struggled in the Johnson fight), remarkable stamina (which allows for incredible punch volume which allows for taking an opponent out of his game), and his superior ring IQ?

Chad did not listen to his corner to "be careful" when he came out for the 12th round agaiint Tarver. While he showed a fighter's mentality, he also gave Tarver a chance to jolt him in the last minute, albeit with punches that lacke damaging pop. That told ME something and I'm sure Joe saw it as well.

Time will tell if Bad Chad is the new king in town--one who can clear out a light-heavyweight division which some say is now full of “aging legends.” I'm not yet sold that he can....not yet.

I don't have a problem with dawson, he has the potential to beat anyone out there. Floyd's comment has more to do with what people think about him than anything else lately. I met him and his family last year at arco and he is a really nice dude but not quite as floyd says....yet anyway.My only problem with him in the ring is that his punches are tooo damn straight and most of them get caught on opponets gloves usually on accident. If you block the first one you can usually block the next three, more angles and more pressure and this kid is actually pretty decent. Chad is what roy was supposed to be this weekend too fast and too strong for the guys he fought so far......he has some flaws but i don't rate chad's potential as low as some people. Joe would make him fight if he wanted to or not, but i'm not sure if that's a good thing. I'd give dawson a huge chance to win especially since he's fighting him in his 20's not right before he get's senior citizen discounts at home town buffet. Man i wish joe fought over here sooner.

he's basicly the next american hope after mr pavlik got took to school..

I have no reason to think he is a world beater just yet but he is a good solid fighter with good skills. He is a Lacy or a Pavlik at the moment, he has not been fully tested yet.

That does not mean he has to be rushed either by the way

I feel sorry for JC re a Dawson fight, because there are already rumblings of folks wanting the fight ... if JC dont take the fight he will be accused of avoiding him, if he takes the fight and wins it will then be blamed on Dawson not being developed enough ... and if he lost, which at this moment in time I really cant see happening, his legacy gets brought into question because of one fight..........

Originally Posted by bambamdaddio

I feel sorry for JC re a Dawson fight, because there are already rumblings of folks wanting the fight ... if JC dont take the fight he will be accused of avoiding him, if he takes the fight and wins it will then be blamed on Dawson not being developed enough ... and if he lost, which at this moment in time I really cant see happening, his legacy gets brought into question because of one fight..........

I'd love Joe to fight Dawson just to see who people think Joe is avoiding/should fight next to prove himself etc..

Originally Posted by Kel

I have no reason to think he is a world beater just yet but he is a good solid fighter with good skills. He is a Lacy or a Pavlik at the moment, he has not been fully tested yet.

That does not mean he has to be rushed either by the way

Great point made there by ya kel when ya bring up the point of not rushing him along...

Originally Posted by Kel

Originally Posted by bambamdaddio

I feel sorry for JC re a Dawson fight, because there are already rumblings of folks wanting the fight ... if JC dont take the fight he will be accused of avoiding him, if he takes the fight and wins it will then be blamed on Dawson not being developed enough ... and if he lost, which at this moment in time I really cant see happening, his legacy gets brought into question because of one fight..........

I'd love Joe to fight Dawson just to see who people think Joe is avoiding/should fight to prove himself etc..

I agree with you again bud Id love to see it too and tho Im a big JC fan, I really believe he would win this one pretty comfy ... and then get no credit because overnight the same folks calling Dawson the next big thing would be the first in line to be calling him a bum or like wise, that as opposed to credit where it should be due for JC..

.....lol when this stuff was happening to floyd no one cared. Now for joe it's a crime. Either way both guys have proved what they need to in my book, jones horrible slap box performance took some of the shine from joe's win but it was a win all the same, joe fighting dawson is no different. Win and it's no big deal loose and you're a piece of garbage all of the sudden. Joe like floyd will never especially in the states get the love he wants, he's getting it back home and i think he'll have to be satisfied with that, i still don't understand people wanting the approval of people they talk shit about,but he beat everyone he set out to beat pretty good career i'd say.

Originally Posted by bambamdaddio

I feel sorry for JC re a Dawson fight, because there are already rumblings of folks wanting the fight ... if JC dont take the fight he will be accused of avoiding him, if he takes the fight and wins it will then be blamed on Dawson not being developed enough ... and if he lost, which at this moment in time I really cant see happening, his legacy gets brought into question because of one fight..........

If he fights Dawson then the same people will want him to fight Cloud/Erdei/somebody else to prove himself. There's always going to be somebody he should fight. If he does fight again, you'll have people saying he needs to get to 50-0 to prove how great he is. I think he'd beat Dawson or anybody else out there like a gong but I'm hoping he just retires.

Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Originally Posted by bambamdaddio

I feel sorry for JC re a Dawson fight, because there are already rumblings of folks wanting the fight ... if JC dont take the fight he will be accused of avoiding him, if he takes the fight and wins it will then be blamed on Dawson not being developed enough ... and if he lost, which at this moment in time I really cant see happening, his legacy gets brought into question because of one fight..........

If he fights Dawson then the same people will want him to fight Cloud/Erdei/somebody else to prove himself. There's always going to be somebody he should fight. If he does fight again, you'll have people saying he needs to get to 50-0 to prove how great he is. I think he'd beat Dawson or anybody else out there like a gong but I'm hoping he just retires.

Spot on .. I couldnt agree more bud !!!

Originally Posted by bambamdaddio

Originally Posted by Kel

I have no reason to think he is a world beater just yet but he is a good solid fighter with good skills. He is a Lacy or a Pavlik at the moment, he has not been fully tested yet.

That does not mean he has to be rushed either by the way

Great point made there by ya kel when ya bring up the point of not rushing him along...

Dawson slaughetrs Lacey and beats Pavlick IMO.

Originally Posted by holmcall

Dawson has the skill set to become and remain a great champion, but he needs to know his limitations (maybe he thinks he has none). He must work on his stamina (which was an issue in his close and controversial decision win over Glen Johnson and in his dominant win over Antonio Tarver); he needs to stay focused for each and very round. “Bad” tends to fight in spurts and then takes time off to recoup his energy--unlike, say, a Joe Calzaghe or Glen Johnson who seemingly fight and fight and fight with no time off. And there is another tough guy who lurks by the name of Adrian “The Shark” Diaconu.

If Dawson is Calzaghe‘s next opponent (assuming Joe fights on), will his style be made to order for the Pride of Wales? Will he be able to cope with Joe’s constant pressure (remember how Chad struggled in the Johnson fight), remarkable stamina (which allows for incredible punch volume which allows for taking an opponent out of his game), and his superior ring IQ?

Chad did not listen to his corner to "be careful" when he came out for the 12th round agaiint Tarver. While he showed a fighter's mentality, he also gave Tarver a chance to jolt him in the last minute, albeit with punches that lacke damaging pop. That told ME something and I'm sure Joe saw it as well.

Time will tell if Bad Chad is the new king in town--one who can clear out a light-heavyweight division which some say is now full of “aging legends.” I'm not yet sold that he can....not yet.

Ted,
What hype are you talking about?

You gotta be kidding... BCD and the word hype don't belong together.
You've wanna talk hype.
Michael Grant
Francisco Bojado
Paul Gonzalez
Mike Quarry

These guys were all hyped up and never delievered.

Shit! off the top of my head I can't name you another HARDCORE Dawson fan besides myself. By hardcore I mean has seen more then just his fights from the Adamek fight and on....
I've seen 25 out of 28 BCD fights, been following his career since 2004/5.
I'll be the 1st to tell you he is FAAAAR from hype.
The only reason why you are suddenly hearing a lot about him now is because of the quality of opposition he is fighting and more important because he can be Joes farewell fight. So if your hearing a lot about him is because some people think he's got a shot at beating Joe.

I've made a short assesment on the way I think Joe vs. BCD would go...
I'd back BCD to win but I think ultimately Joe beats him because I think BCD does all the things Joe needs him to do to win.

- Sit on the ropes
- Have lapses
- Inactive rounds

With those 3 things Joes got the fight in the books.
BCD can beat Joe but IMO he would have to correct those 3 things in order to do so. Chances are he probably wont do it from 1 fight to another.

Ted, when I 1st starting talking about BCD here I was told he had no power, he was to methotical, he had a glass chin and at that time believe it or not he was fighting at Middleweight. I was told Sturm would beat him, Abrahm was starting to make noise also and I was told AA would KO him, JT would school him all night.

Well here we are yrs. later and the kids moved up in weight he's only 26 and already has some top caliber names on his resume.
Adamek whom at the time he beat was considered #1 or #2 by most ratings. Glen Johnson and Tarver.
You gotta love the fact that the kids already established himself as a premier boxer.

I think you titled this thread wrong, because honestly if you look around there is no BCD hype. Shit there's not even a full wagon here of fans and I mean fans not people who started liking him after he captured a title.

The kids def. got the skills and I do agree with what you say on your post but 100% disagree with you that there is a BCD hype.

Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Originally Posted by holmcall

Dawson has the skill set to become and remain a great champion, but he needs to know his limitations (maybe he thinks he has none). He must work on his stamina (which was an issue in his close and controversial decision win over Glen Johnson and in his dominant win over Antonio Tarver); he needs to stay focused for each and very round. “Bad” tends to fight in spurts and then takes time off to recoup his energy--unlike, say, a Joe Calzaghe or Glen Johnson who seemingly fight and fight and fight with no time off. And there is another tough guy who lurks by the name of Adrian “The Shark” Diaconu.

If Dawson is Calzaghe‘s next opponent (assuming Joe fights on), will his style be made to order for the Pride of Wales? Will he be able to cope with Joe’s constant pressure (remember how Chad struggled in the Johnson fight), remarkable stamina (which allows for incredible punch volume which allows for taking an opponent out of his game), and his superior ring IQ?

Chad did not listen to his corner to "be careful" when he came out for the 12th round agaiint Tarver. While he showed a fighter's mentality, he also gave Tarver a chance to jolt him in the last minute, albeit with punches that lacke damaging pop. That told ME something and I'm sure Joe saw it as well.

Time will tell if Bad Chad is the new king in town--one who can clear out a light-heavyweight division which some say is now full of “aging legends.” I'm not yet sold that he can....not yet.

Ted,
What hype are you talking about?

You gotta be kidding... BCD and the word hype don't belong together.
You've wanna talk hype.
Michael Grant
Francisco Bojado
Paul Gonzalez
Mike Quarry

These guys were all hyped up and never delievered.

Shit! off the top of my head I can't name you another HARDCORE Dawson fan besides myself. By hardcore I mean has seen more then just his fights from the Adamek fight and on....
I've seen 25 out of 28 BCD fights, been following his career since 2004/5.
I'll be the 1st to tell you he is FAAAAR from hype.
The only reason why you are suddenly hearing a lot about him now is because of the quality of opposition he is fighting and more important because he can be Joes farewell fight. So if your hearing a lot about him is because some people think he's got a shot at beating Joe.

I've made a short assesment on the way I think Joe vs. BCD would go...
I'd back BCD to win but I think ultimately Joe beats him because I think BCD does all the things Joe needs him to do to win.

- Sit on the ropes
- Have lapses
- Inactive rounds

With those 3 things Joes got the fight in the books.
BCD can beat Joe but IMO he would have to correct those 3 things in order to do so. Chances are he probably wont do it from 1 fight to another.

Ted, when I 1st starting talking about BCD here I was told he had no power, he was to methotical, he had a glass chin and at that time believe it or not he was fighting at Middleweight. I was told Sturm would beat him, Abrahm was starting to make noise also and I was told AA would KO him, JT would school him all night.

Well here we are yrs. later and the kids moved up in weight he's only 26 and already has some top caliber names on his resume.
Adamek whom at the time he beat was considered #1 or #2 by most ratings. Glen Johnson and Tarver.
You gotta love the fact that the kids already established himself as a premier boxer.

I think you titled this thread wrong, because honestly if you look around there is no BCD hype. Shit there's not even a full wagon here of fans and I mean fans not people who started liking him after he captured a title.

The kids def. got the skills and I do agree with what you say on your post but 100% disagree with you that there is a BCD hype.

Well, maybe hype is the wrong word. Maybe raves is a better one. Here is just an example of what I meant:

I'm ready to give Joe [Calzaghe] the opportunity to draw the curtain on his great career in front of his family and friends and 70,000 fans," and "It's the best fight in the light heavyweight division between two undefeated champions. --Chad Dawson

Pound for pound, [Chad Dawson] is the best fighter in the world –Floyd Mayweather Jr.

…there is nothing offensively in a boxing ring that Chad Dawson can’t do. --Al Bernstein

But I see your points , Mike.

Originally Posted by holmcall

Well, maybe hype is the wrong word. Maybe raves is a better one. Here is just an example of what I meant:

I'm ready to give Joe [Calzaghe] the opportunity to draw the curtain on his great career in front of his family and friends and 70,000 fans," and "It's the best fight in the light heavyweight division between two undefeated champions. --Chad Dawson

Pound for pound, [Chad Dawson] is the best fighter in the world –Floyd Mayweather Jr.

…there is nothing offensively in a boxing ring that Chad Dawson can’t do. --Al Bernstein

But I see your points , Mike.

Ted, you've been around longer then to take the time to quote anything PBF says... So let's scratch that one out.

BCD has every right to think he can beat Joe and why not.
I can't think of anyone else whos got a better shot at LHW at Joe then BCD.

After thinking for a minute here, I agree with Al. BCDs got some arsenal in his offensive game. The way he puts punches together with hooks, uppercuts, his jab, body shots, lead left, up stairs down stairs.
Offensively he's got it all.