Thread: so is that it for angulo??

Is alfredo now destined for 2nd tier mediocrity only getting to appear on after card undercards fighting mid level opposition from now until the end of his career?

It is completely possible to come back from a bad night and im pretty sure the interest is still there. But getting outfought and outworked by cintron doesnt bode well for the future does it??

We looking at another mayorga or perhaps a guy who just had a really bad night??

rematch anyone

Defeated Angulo can now fight undefeated Scottish Craig McEwan...

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Why do so many boxing fans put so much emphasis on undefeated records? An defeated record against a bunch of club fighters means nothing. This loss doesn't hurt Angulo at all. He lost to world class former belt holder who has only lost (or stolen a draw) to world class fighters. Angulo took on Cintron in his 16th professional fights. After 15 fights, Ricky Hatton and Joe Calzaghe were still fighting club fighters at that point.

Angulo showed a lot of heart and chin on Saturday. He didn't quit and made a good fight. He won some rounds late and came away lossing only 116-112. A clear loss, but not a total rout. He pushed Cintron pretty hard in the second half of the fight.

Boxing would be better off if more fighters did what Angulo did and took a risk. I'm sure he'll go back too the drawing board and come back stronger. Guys who fight with his style and heart can always get fights after competitive losses. Look at Andrade. Was his career hurt by losses to Kessler and Bute?

Originally Posted by RozzySean

Why do so many boxing fans put so much emphasis on undefeated records? An defeated record against a bunch of club fighters means nothing. This loss doesn't hurt Angulo at all. He lost to world class former belt holder who has only lost (or stolen a draw) to world class fighters. Angulo took on Cintron in his 16th professional fights. After 15 fights, Ricky Hatton and Joe Calzaghe were still fighting club fighters at that point.

Angulo showed a lot of heart and chin on Saturday. He didn't quit and made a good fight. He won some rounds late and came away lossing only 116-112. A clear loss, but not a total rout. He pushed Cintron pretty hard in the second half of the fight.

Boxing would be better off if more fighters did what Angulo did and took a risk. I'm sure he'll go back too the drawing board and come back stronger. Guys who fight with his style and heart can always get fights after competitive losses. Look at Andrade. Was his career hurt by losses to Kessler and Bute?

So were Mayweather, Mosley, Hopkins, Roy, Pavlik, etc etc etc.. that's the norm for almost all promising fighters, it's not exclusive to Brits.

David Haye was in with former "world" champions from his 10th fight.

I think so. I really didn't see anything great about Angulo, except that he can take a helluva shot. I always felt someone who could box decently would do fairly well with him and that was just the case on Saturday.

Originally Posted by Fenster

Originally Posted by RozzySean

Why do so many boxing fans put so much emphasis on undefeated records? An defeated record against a bunch of club fighters means nothing. This loss doesn't hurt Angulo at all. He lost to world class former belt holder who has only lost (or stolen a draw) to world class fighters. Angulo took on Cintron in his 16th professional fights. After 15 fights, Ricky Hatton and Joe Calzaghe were still fighting club fighters at that point.

Angulo showed a lot of heart and chin on Saturday. He didn't quit and made a good fight. He won some rounds late and came away lossing only 116-112. A clear loss, but not a total rout. He pushed Cintron pretty hard in the second half of the fight.

Boxing would be better off if more fighters did what Angulo did and took a risk. I'm sure he'll go back too the drawing board and come back stronger. Guys who fight with his style and heart can always get fights after competitive losses. Look at Andrade. Was his career hurt by losses to Kessler and Bute?

So were Mayweather, Mosley, Hopkins, Roy, Pavlik, etc etc etc.. that's the norm for almost all promising fighters, it's not exclusive to Brits.

David Haye was in with former "world" champions from his 10th fight.

No, it's not exclusive to Brits at all. Mayweather did win his first championship with 17 pro fights, but all the other names you mentioned were brought along slowly as well. I give Haye a lot of credit for his willingness to take tough fights. A few of his countrymen could learn a lesson or two from him when it comes to williness to make meaningful fights while they are still young.

Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

Is alfredo now destined for 2nd tier mediocrity only getting to appear on after card undercards fighting mid level opposition from now until the end of his career?

The answer to that question will be revealed in his next fight. I think it's all about how you rebound from a defeat. Khan getting beat by Prescott has only helped to elevate his career, so lets see what Angulo does next.

We right people off too soon but its clear as day he's got some issues that will be exploited by elite or goodish fighters, he's got major hand and foot speed issues, combined with needing to be set to punch means he's always gonna have issues with movement. Also he's a heavy puncher but doesn't look like a one punch guy so he's gonna have to land fairly consistently over the course of a fight which will be difficult against top guys.

Basically I don't think he'll be elite by any means but I felt the same way last Friday, the Cintron fight didn't change that.

It's not it for Angulo but from what i have seen he will never be any good.

I would call it a day if i got decisively beat by Kermit Cintron

Just kidding, Cintron is actually a decent fighter.

Originally Posted by RozzySean

Originally Posted by Fenster

Originally Posted by RozzySean

Why do so many boxing fans put so much emphasis on undefeated records? An defeated record against a bunch of club fighters means nothing. This loss doesn't hurt Angulo at all. He lost to world class former belt holder who has only lost (or stolen a draw) to world class fighters. Angulo took on Cintron in his 16th professional fights. After 15 fights, Ricky Hatton and Joe Calzaghe were still fighting club fighters at that point.

Angulo showed a lot of heart and chin on Saturday. He didn't quit and made a good fight. He won some rounds late and came away lossing only 116-112. A clear loss, but not a total rout. He pushed Cintron pretty hard in the second half of the fight.

Boxing would be better off if more fighters did what Angulo did and took a risk. I'm sure he'll go back too the drawing board and come back stronger. Guys who fight with his style and heart can always get fights after competitive losses. Look at Andrade. Was his career hurt by losses to Kessler and Bute?

So were Mayweather, Mosley, Hopkins, Roy, Pavlik, etc etc etc.. that's the norm for almost all promising fighters, it's not exclusive to Brits.

David Haye was in with former "world" champions from his 10th fight.

No, it's not exclusive to Brits at all. Mayweather did win his first championship with 17 pro fights, but all the other names you mentioned were brought along slowly as well. I give Haye a lot of credit for his willingness to take tough fights. A few of his countrymen could learn a lesson or two from him when it comes to williness to make meaningful fights while they are still young.

Haye getting exposed early in his career was actually the best thing to happen to him. Its better when someone gets beat after 10 fights, it gives them time to improve. Its better then being 48 and 0 before losing because at that point you don't know any other way to win.

The Cintron fight was entirely winnable for a guy like Angulo. With Cintron backpeddling all night and pumping the jab and throwing occasional combos, there was ample opportunity for Angulo to force the fight wear down Cintron. I applaud Cintron on still having one punch power and stepping up his work on mobility under Shields and he did the smart thing by turning on Angulo. But in Angulo stepped up the pace and the pressure and threw in a little head movement for Cintrons jab, its a different fight and I think Angulo could have worn him down. Keeping Cintron moving would be key to not letting him set his feet for big shots or combos... plus I still thing Cintron is a little punchy. It was winnable fight, I just think Angulo is the kind of guy that goes on heart and wears downs fighters with pressure and he needed to taylor that style to a guy that was going to try to box him. Angulo has better potential to be a pressure fighter than Cintron does to be a slick boxer.

The first and second round was hard to score. But I thought Cintron won 'em by a tiny margin. Angulo's tactic was to steal round in last remaining seconds, which didn't really impress a lot of people. Good win for the cry baby Cintron.

As for Angulo. I don't know man. It's difinitely a good lecture for him. But I don't think I like his sore loser attitude. I'm talking about when he bailed out right away after they announced the winner.

I think we just saw that even instinctive boxers can be beaten by guys who are TAUGHT boxing. Ronnie Shields is a very underrated trainer, he's worked with some very good fighters and when fighters listen to good trainers you get good results.

Angulo may want to be like Julio Cesar Chavez but he's going to have to be able to outwork guys like Cintron and use defense to set up counter shots (which were there BTW) and stop FOLLOWING Cintron and cut the ring off.....that was ridiculous.

Angulo-Margarito sounds like a good match eventhough I think Toni is 100% done because of #1 Plaster-gate and #2 Shane Mosley cracked his jaw

I hope Angulo will fight undefeated prospect Scottish Craig McEwan now...

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It's defeated prospect vs. undefeated prospect...

He just isn't talented enough to do anything big. He has a lot of heart and determination, but the skills and the ability to compete with the best just aren't there.