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Golden Boy Viewed as Hypocrites in Pacquiao Test Fiasco - Boxing News

By Mark Vester

There are some who are claiming that Golden Boy Promotions are a bunch of hypocrites because of the recent situation with the Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Manny Pacquiao bout. Golden Boy is representing Mayweather in the negotiations for a fight with Pacquiao on March 13.

Golden Boy/Mayweather have made a demand for random Olympic-style drug testing. They want the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency to handle the random drug testing of both fighters. The USADA's procedures would subject both fighters to several random blood and urine tests. Pacquiao/Top Rank have refused those demands and see no reason for having a company like the USADA involved. Top Rank do not see a reason for Pacquiao to take numerous blood tests and as many as a dozen urine tests during the training camp.

The reason for the random drug tests? Richard Schaefer [CEO for Golden Boy] and Mayweather 's team see a simple reason for the tests. They want to make sure that both fighters are on an "even level playing field."

Golden Boy/Mayweather's team do not view the drug testing procedures of the Nevada State Athletic Commission as being substantial enough for their liking. Most believe their position for random drug tests are stemming from some of the comments that were made by Floyd Mayweather Sr, and a few others, who believe that Pacquiao is using performance enhancing drugs.

Even Golden Boy President Oscar De La Hoya lashed out at Pacquiao on his Ring Magazine Online blog. De La Hoya told Pacquiao “C’mon. It’s only a little bit of blood. If you have nothing to hide, then do the test."

Further, De La Hoya compared Pacquiao's punches to those of Shane Mosley and Fernando Vargas. Mosley, during the BALCO trial, admitted to taking performance enhancing drugs before the 2003 rematch with De La Hoya. In 2002, Vargas tested positive for steroids when he failed a post-fight drug test for the grudge match with De La Hoya.

"Now I have to wonder about him. I’m saying to myself, ‘Wow. Those Mosley punches, those Vargas punches and those Pacquiao punches all felt the same.’ I’m not saying yes or no (about whether Pacquiao might be taking performance enhancing drugs); I’m just saying that now people have to wonder: “Why doesn’t he want to do this? Why is it such a big deal." De La Hoya.

Let's take a step back to March 2008, when Golden Boy Promotions was trying to put together a May pay-per-view fight between Shane Mosley and Zab Judah.

Judah and his team were demanding for Mosley to take an independent blood test before the planned May event. At least in the case of Mosley, there was some evidence to back up Judah's demand for an additional blood test outside of the required drug tests from the Nevada State Athletic Commission. Mosley did admit to inadvertently taking performance enhancing drugs before the 2003 rematch with De La Hoya.

For the record, Mosley was willing to take an independent blood test and any other tests that Judah's camp were demanding.

Also for the record, Golden Boy Promotions rejected Judah's demand for an independent blood test or any additional tests beyond those of the Nevada State Athletic Commission.

Schaefer told the Associated Press "We are not going to do other tests than the Nevada commission requires. The fact is Shane is not a cheater and he does not need to be treated like one."

I ask this. Why is Pacquiao, who never failed a single drug test or had any BALCO scandal hanging over his head, being treated like a cheater?

Righto people i dont think people get this: being a nice guy does not mean he cant be a cheater. Yes he has no previous history of using PEDs but either does every other sportsman that tests positive for their first time.

Now i have highlighted that part of it because that is the main point and I dont think i have to say much more except if there was nothing to hide then he should have nothing to worry about.

The following statement is still true

"Pacquiao is refusing to fight because of a drug test"

Feel free to spin this against Mayweather however you want, but it doesn't change the previous fact.

Originally Posted by killersheep

The following statement is still true

"Pacquiao is refusing to fight because of a drug test"

Feel free to spin this against Mayweather however you want, but it doesn't change the previous fact.

You love to use that sentence but that's not entirely true. Pacquiao agreed to take 3 blood tests, but not for 5 blood tests and 12 rediculous urine tests.

Originally Posted by The Congressman

Originally Posted by killersheep

The following statement is still true

"Pacquiao is refusing to fight because of a drug test"

Feel free to spin this against Mayweather however you want, but it doesn't change the previous fact.

You love to use that sentence but that's not entirely true. Pacquiao agreed to take 3 blood tests, but not for 5 blood tests and 12 rediculous urine tests.

The flaws in Pacs proposal have been mentioned before. Manny wants the tests at predictable set times. In operating this way it is entirely possible that he could use drugs and avoid detection. The test needs to be a random blood test and on several occasions.

is olympic style drug testing applied to mosley-berto fight? mosley is a known steroid user in the past.

Originally Posted by zbolt

is olympic style drug testing applied to mosley-berto fight? mosley is a known steroid user in the past.

That's the thing. You would have thought this kind of thing should have been forced upon Mosley until the end of his career, but he seems to have been able to pursue his career much the same as always. I like Mosley as a fighter, but you would like to know for sure that he is clean.

The whole issue has brought to light a valid realisation that commisions need to do far more when it comes to drugs checks.

Originally Posted by miles

Originally Posted by zbolt

is olympic style drug testing applied to mosley-berto fight? mosley is a known steroid user in the past.

That's the thing. You would have thought this kind of thing should have been forced upon Mosley until the end of his career, but he seems to have been able to pursue his career much the same as always. I like Mosley as a fighter, but you would like to know for sure that he is clean.

The whole issue has brought to light a valid realisation that commisions need to do far more when it comes to drugs checks.

if they're not hypocrites, they already did this olympic style testing to mosley fights, to other previously proven steroid users boxers and to championship fights. why do this first time for pacquiao-floyd?

Originally Posted by zbolt

Originally Posted by miles

Originally Posted by zbolt

is olympic style drug testing applied to mosley-berto fight? mosley is a known steroid user in the past.

That's the thing. You would have thought this kind of thing should have been forced upon Mosley until the end of his career, but he seems to have been able to pursue his career much the same as always. I like Mosley as a fighter, but you would like to know for sure that he is clean.

The whole issue has brought to light a valid realisation that commisions need to do far more when it comes to drugs checks.

if they're not hypocrites, they already did this olympic style testing to mosley fights, to other previously proven steroid users boxers and to championship fights. why do this first time for pacquiao-floyd?

Because none of Mosley's opponents had either

a. the sense to ask for it

or

b. the leverage to require it

You know what would of made mayweather look bad, if pac had of smiled and said no problem straight away. What has made mayweather look smart is that pac has dodged this and is looking quite guilty.

Superstition does not cover this because if your fighting at a world class level then you have to be willing not let your religion or superstition get in the way because how fair is it to your opponents? If the opponent isnt religious and has to take a blood test before a fight and the other fighter doesnt then thats just bullshit.

If pac is what everyone says he is, he will do this without another complaint. If he doesnt then everyone is going to say pac was all time great that possibly did it with an unfair advantage.

Originally Posted by killersheep

Originally Posted by zbolt

Originally Posted by miles

That's the thing. You would have thought this kind of thing should have been forced upon Mosley until the end of his career, but he seems to have been able to pursue his career much the same as always. I like Mosley as a fighter, but you would like to know for sure that he is clean.

The whole issue has brought to light a valid realisation that commisions need to do far more when it comes to drugs checks.

if they're not hypocrites, they already did this olympic style testing to mosley fights, to other previously proven steroid users boxers and to championship fights. why do this first time for pacquiao-floyd?

Because none of Mosley's opponents had either

a. the sense to ask for it

or

b. the leverage to require it

judah did asked for it in the cancelled mosley fight. gbp/mosley didn't agree to it hence the hypocrites.

just SUE 'em !!!

in a way it is a bit hypocritical but it doesn't change the fact that Pacquiao, Arum, and Roach are making all sorts of ridiculous excuses as to why they don't want the tests, and lets get serious, Mosley wasn't gonna make $30 million to step in against Judah, hell for that much money i'd have a whole blood transfusion and supply 3 gallons of piss the morning of the fight

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

in a way it is a bit hypocritical but it doesn't change the fact that Pacquiao, Arum, and Roach are making all sorts of ridiculous excuses as to why they don't want the tests, and lets get serious, Mosley wasn't gonna make $30 million to step in against Judah, hell for that much money i'd have a whole blood transfusion and supply 3 gallons of piss the morning of the fight

whoaaaa.If you're a true boxer, I couldn't see you winning any major fight.

Originally Posted by brucelee

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

in a way it is a bit hypocritical but it doesn't change the fact that Pacquiao, Arum, and Roach are making all sorts of ridiculous excuses as to why they don't want the tests, and lets get serious, Mosley wasn't gonna make $30 million to step in against Judah, hell for that much money i'd have a whole blood transfusion and supply 3 gallons of piss the morning of the fight

whoaaaa.If you're a true boxer, I couldn't see you winning any major fight.

fuck that for $30 million i'd pull a Bruce Seldon HAHAHAHAHA