Sooooooo.....Should Joel be back in the running to face Manny?

[El Gamo]

I think so. This fight has become incredibly intriguing to me all of a sudden and 2 factors which I think are important:Manny hasn't faced a pure boxer like Joel who uses lateral movement as he does and secondly,Joel has faced far bigger punchers in JLC and Chico and punch for punch,maybe even Kats. Thoughts?

[p4pking]

Welll, sure... I mean I'd love to see Pac or Marquez move up to lightweight any fight any of the champ's there. It looks for the meantime like Pac is going to fight David Diaz(kinda a crap fight but good for Manny to at least adjust to the division). While that happens though, I think Casamayor and Nate Campbell should fight. Their first could have gone either way imo, and now I'd slightly favour Nate still but last night proved Casa certainly hasn't lost it. I think Pacquiao would be hard pressed to beat either of them to be honest, but they are certainly great matchups.

[brucelee]

I think so. This fight has become incredibly intriguing to me all of a sudden and 2 factors which I think are important:Manny hasn't faced a pure boxer like Joel who uses lateral movement as he does and secondly,Joel has faced far bigger punchers in JLC and Chico and punch for punch,maybe even Kats. Thoughts?

There is a high probability that it won't happen this year so it might not happen at all. However, I'd like the fight to happen to see how Manny will fare against a fighter like Casa. It will be very exciting. Just the thought of Pac holding the Ring's championship belt in the superfeather and lightweight is quite an attractive option for Pac.By then,people will be saying again that Pacquaio is only good against aging fighters.







An imminent debate with VD will then transpire after this post.

[El Gamo]

Na,Manny is a warrior but Bob Arum will do EVERYTHING humanly possible to make sure he doesn't fight someone like Guzman or Cas,with the lateral movement. They would make Manny look real bad imo I mean JMM with some very slight movement and counter punching troubles Manny ALOT so those 2,yeah,they would be tough. Factor in that Manny has lost the fire of 2006(which I don't think he'll ever surpass) and Cas/Guzman are matches that I don't see being made ever!

[brucelee]

Na,Manny is a warrior but Bob Arum will do EVERYTHING humanly possible to make sure he doesn't fight someone like Guzman or Cas,with the lateral movement. They would make Manny look real bad imo I mean JMM with some very slight movement and counter punching troubles Manny ALOT so those 2,yeah,they would be tough. Factor in that Manny has lost the fire of 2006(which I don't think he'll ever surpass) and Cas/Guzman are matches that I don't see being made ever!

With what you just said, Arum might be thinking of making the fight with Casa. I'm just afraid that some Pac haters here will be criticizing again that idea. Expect them to say this "Casa is too old, blahblah-blah."

Guzman will be good for Pacquaio. If he wins against Guzman ,Pacquiao will finally prove his superiority even against slick boxers.

[El Gamo]

I'd rather see Pacman fighting Cas than David Diaz and Ricky Hatton:it makes more sense but I don't mind the Diaz fight,he needs a break after the JM fight. And I disagree,Arum,as soon as Guzman beat my boy Soto said straight away that the Guzman fight would not be made,we all know why.He saw what we saw,a tremendously skilled fighter who would give Manny HUGE HUGE trouble with this style. It's the same with Cas.

[brucelee]

I'd rather see Pacman fighting Cas than David Diaz and Ricky Hatton:it makes more sense but I don't mind the Diaz fight,he needs a break after the JM fight. And I disagree,Arum,as soon as Guzman beat my boy Soto said straight away that the Guzman fight would not be made,we all know why.He saw what we saw,a tremendously skilled fighter who would give Manny HUGE HUGE trouble with this style. It's the same with Cas.

Believe me in this EG. Pac vs Guzman is highly probable to happen in the future. It will be good for Pacquaio to fight Guzman especially if Pac already wants to retire.

What a better way to retire. Fight a very good boxer and give the throne to him. Guzman and Valero are good heirs to Pacquaio's fame.

[noskill]

I think so. This fight has become incredibly intriguing to me all of a sudden and 2 factors which I think are important:Manny hasn't faced a pure boxer like Joel who uses lateral movement as he does and secondly,Joel has faced far bigger punchers in JLC and Chico and punch for punch,maybe even Kats. Thoughts?

Great question. That is a pick'em fight for me just for style purposes. I think Manny hits Casa with a good shot and hurts him but other than that,tough call. I had Joel losing last night by a few (3) points and the fight was Katsidis' fight to lose by being foolish. There are so many great guys in or moving to that division it is hard to say what the best matches will be. Joel should fight his #1 wich is likely Campbell although he hates giving rematches,notoriously. Manny should not get any crap for fighting Diaz who is a very sturdy guy who is naturally a little thicker and will make for some great action in the ring. Not just a cake-walk entrance for Manny but a good,strong intro to lightweight. I thought it hillarious that Casa was calling out only the smaller or old retired guys to fight. What a dill hole. I was so pissed that Katsidis got stupid in there even tho I won money with the under 10.5 round KO. I was ready for a new,willing to fight,true champ to take over.

[Deanrw]

My name is Dean, and I support this message.

I think it would be a great fight. Although when two southpaws fight, you usually find they end up tripping over each other quite a bit.

[Jesse James]

I think Pac would beat the current Casa quite easily. Pac is much quicker, more accurate and harder punching than Katsidis and he would have capitalized where Kats failed to last night.

[DaxxKahn]

Nahh...That time has come and gone...Joel has lost a few steps in his game....now 3 years ago it would have been a good fight....

[:::PSL:::]

I wanna see Pac fight DDD first. It's gonna be his first fight at the lightweight. And I think it's fair to say that let's judge Pac's performance first against DDD if he's really comfortable in that weight class.

One thing that bugs me though. Pac will be competing against old guys again. Both Casa and Campbell are champions, and both defeated the young undefeated JD and Kats. I just hope people would give Pac some credits if he captured their belts.

[OumaFan]

I can't see why Arum would make this fight, he's not an idiot. Pac most likely wins, even though Casa beat Katsidis and looked better than against Santa Cruz its clear he's slowed down, and say Pac looks impressive fans would say Casa was shot. No win really.

That being said I'm not sure who Pac goes after past the David Diaz fight. Juan's gotta work his way back up, not sure they really want Nate, Casa doesn't make good sense in a risk/reward type deal. Hatton's looking more and more likely really.

Not like I wouldn't mind seeing it as a fan, just realistically I doubt it happens.

[Julius Rain]

I'd love to see pac vs casa but like ouma said it is kinda of a no win for pac. When he wins people will just say casa is past it. I rather see guzman move up to 135 and match up with pac. I would also be interesting if valero will move up. I really think the lightweight is there for the taking now.

Pac
JMM
Guzman
Valero

all can make some noise at 135, while casa and campbell are on the decline I don't see them ruling for long maybe not even a year.

Even though guzman and jmm are "old" or alteast older then pac and valero, Imo they out last both casa and campbell. Unless we are wrong about guzman like how we were wrong about juan diaz. Jmm is a proven elite so Imo the only question for jmm is if he'll be comfortable at 135.

As for valero he too still have some things to prove, will he really be able to hang with the elites or will he be just like juan diaz or rocky jaurez.

David diaz imo is being look pass too much by us, i actually em excited to see pac vs david cause david is kinda old school you never know how well his doing with what his doing, you know?

Pac vs casa will be the cherry on top of all the fights though, it'll be the first elite southpaw vs elite soutpaw. there hasn't been much great southpaw, now we can see two going at it.

[Pavlik]

I'd love to see pac vs casa but like ouma said it is kinda of a no win for pac. When he wins people will just say casa is past it. I rather see guzman move up to 135 and match up with pac. I would also be interesting if valero will move up. I really think the lightweight is there for the taking now.

Pac
JMM
Guzman
Valero

all can make some noise at 135, while casa and campbell are on the decline I don't see them ruling for long maybe not even a year.

Even though guzman and jmm are "old" or alteast older then pac and valero, Imo they out last both casa and campbell. Unless we are wrong about guzman like how we were wrong about juan diaz. Jmm is a proven elite so Imo the only question for jmm is if he'll be comfortable at 135.

As for valero he too still have some things to prove, will he really be able to hang with the elites or will he be just like juan diaz or rocky jaurez.

David diaz imo is being look pass too much by us, i actually em excited to see pac vs david cause david is kinda old school you never know how well his doing with what his doing, you know?

Pac vs casa will be the cherry on top of all the fights though, it'll be the first elite southpaw vs elite soutpaw. there hasn't been much great southpaw, now we can see two going at it.

I have a gut feeling PAC might be fighting both Valero and Guzman later, but definitely in 135 lbs.. Looking at Valero and Guzman's frames I can't believe how they were able to make it at 130 lbs. Framewise(bone structure) they're much bigger than PAC.