Clottey v. Pacquiao

[mad_takamura]

Clottey would be a very tough fight for Pacquiao.

I would actually pick Clottey to win. Clottey has a tight guard, can take a good punch when he has to and his offensive game is underated. Clottey has a solid jab, sneaky right hand and is good at putting punches together plus he is way natural bigger than Pacquiao.

Clottey's workrate could be his downfall because Pacquiao is an offensive manchine who can punch constantly for 12 rounds.

How many times do we have to heed the lessons of the past to look at the bright light?

Clottey is just the same as cotto. diaz. hatton. de la hoya. a guy who goes straight to his foes. That's what pac wants. and he's going to get brutalized by pac while pac is giving him different angles. A tight guard doe'snt mean a thing when your opponent is faster than you and has great footwork. Those 2 attributes pac has. and just like what you said clottey's work rate is his down fall and believe me it will. Pac would'nt give clottey a moment to breathe during his fast assault. And speed kills. most especially if:
1. the other guy is bigger therefore slower
2. the other guy doe'snt counter well in the league of jmm.pbf. and casa.
3. the other guy is not a slick. elusive fighter like pernell or pbf.

And that's the bottomline...

Before you roll your eyes explain to me your argument.

[mad_takamura]

Anybody can have a bet with me if this fight happens. You can bookmark this thread if you want. Avatar bets, even lifetime bets. I can assure you pac would toy with clottey and you can laugh at me right now if you want. But if this fight happens, my view on this fight,if ever it will happen, would have ground. And then i will be the one laughing at you eventually.

[Majesty]

Anybody can have a bet with me if this fight happens. You can bookmark this thread if you want. Avatar bets, even lifetime bets. I can assure you pac would toy with clottey and you can laugh at me right now if you want. But if this fight happens, my view on this fight,if ever it will happen, would have ground. And then i will be the one laughing at you eventually.

No one "toys" with Clottey. They barely beat him.

If Cotto had stood in front of Clottey he probably would have been stopped. He beat Clottey by going off his back foot and trying to get away and do enough to win the rounds. After Clottey was thrown down he dispensed with his jab and started leading with other punches and winding up instead. No one can deny the fact that after he was thrown down he was a completely different fighter.

You cannot compare Clottey to Cotto or Oscar De La Hoya. Oscar De La Hoya was a shell of his former self and a skeleton when he fought Pacquiao. Cotto was there to be dominated as he'd shown how done he was by the time the Clottey fight rolled around.

Clottey has a style that could frustrate someone like Pacquiao. He isn't the kind of person who seems to have a breakable will and he has a good defense and jab and good handspeed. This would be a tough fight for Pacquiao in every sense of the word. No one has dominated Clottey and neither would Pacquiao.

[mad_takamura]

Anybody can have a bet with me if this fight happens. You can bookmark this thread if you want. Avatar bets, even lifetime bets. I can assure you pac would toy with clottey and you can laugh at me right now if you want. But if this fight happens, my view on this fight,if ever it will happen, would have ground. And then i will be the one laughing at you eventually.

No one "toys" with Clottey. They barely beat him.

If Cotto had stood in front of Clottey he probably would have been stopped. He beat Clottey by going off his back foot and trying to get away and do enough to win the rounds. After Clottey was thrown down he dispensed with his jab and started leading with other punches and winding up instead. No one can deny the fact that after he was thrown down he was a completely different fighter.

You cannot compare Clottey to Cotto or Oscar De La Hoya. Oscar De La Hoya was a shell of his former self and a skeleton when he fought Pacquiao. Cotto was there to be dominated as he'd shown how done he was by the time the Clottey fight rolled around.

Clottey has a style that could frustrate someone like Pacquiao. He isn't the kind of person who seems to have a breakable will and he has a good defense and jab and good handspeed. This would be a tough fight for Pacquiao in every sense of the word. No one has dominated Clottey and neither would Pacquiao.

You said cotto went off to his back foot just to pull that difficult win against joshua this means he went outside. right? Pac's offense doesn't come from the inside. his punches comes from the outside as well. With footwork to check distance and get off with his back foot and exploding speed to do those 1-2's or hooks after that while pivoting side ways. only pac can do that and he'll do it against joshua.
In terms of speed who's faster? Cotto or Clottey? Cotto imo has faster hands than josh. don't discredit it just by saying that he's already damaged goods from margarito. If cotto is faster than clottey and pac manhandled him in speed. what do you think would happen to clottey if this fight happens?
Clottey's style is to go straight forward and overpowers his foes. Not much side movement whatsoever. Pac would punch on different angles at great speed. Pac would eventually wear him down and tear him apart. might be even worse than cotto. Even if joshua would go for a stiff jab. i see pacquiao countering it with an uppercut-1-2 combination or a double lead.
And about that hoya was a shot fighter? You may be right but even on his prime imo we'll get the same result if a prime hoya faced that same pacquiao during that night. Yes you maybe laughing on that line but it's my opinion and there's nothing we can do about it to know if i'm right or wrong. And funny nobody gave pac a chance before that fight happened and now everyone is saying hoya is shot etc. But what if hoya won? Would everyone say hoya's still shot?
Styles makes fights and no matter how good your reputation is if you're a boxer whose a "come straight forward guy": then you're cold meat for the pac buzz saw. Believe me. We have fights like pac-diaz. pac-hatton. pac-cotto. pac-hoya as evidences.
Pac would be the first guy to dominate clottey. Mark my words.

[hitmanhatton]

How many times do we have to heed the lessons of the past to look at the bright light?

Clottey is just the same as cotto. diaz. hatton. de la hoya. a guy who goes straight to his foes. That's what pac wants. and he's going to get brutalized by pac while pac is giving him different angles. A tight guard doe'snt mean a thing when your opponent is faster than you and has great footwork. Those 2 attributes pac has. and just like what you said clottey's work rate is his down fall and believe me it will. Pac would'nt give clottey a moment to breathe during his fast assault. And speed kills. most especially if:
1. the other guy is bigger therefore slower
2. the other guy doe'snt counter well in the league of jmm.pbf. and casa.
3. the other guy is not a slick. elusive fighter like pernell or pbf.

And that's the bottomline...

Before you roll your eyes explain to me your argument.

for starters the fact you seems to judge any fighter with less speed than pacquiao as 'the same'

clottey wont just plod forward, hell work behind his jab which is the one thing that has in the past given pac a lot of trouble, JMM, Morales and cotto early on seemed to be able to give pac trouble with the jab

also bigger = slower ??

pretty sure RJJ is bigger than Margarito,Pavlik,Juan urango etc... is he slower because he is bigger ? you cant make such a generalisation as big = slow

and he isnt a slick, elusive fighter.... but neither was morales so does that really matter ?