Did Marquez take Steroids for the Last Pacquiao Fight?

[jahmez]

Marquez is a career featherweight.

From young adulthood, say 18 years old to about 28-30 years old you fill out a bit. Boxers ut on a few more pounds over those years, move up in weight and so on.

Marquez was a featherweight until he was 32. He had one or two fights at 130 one at 135 and then made 143 to fight Floyd. At the weigh-in for Floyd he looked bloated and out of shape, like Duran looked when he moved up to welterweight. His next fight he made 133 and could probably have easily still made 130.

The exact same weight and strength training methods existed as exist today when he fought Floyd but there's a night and day difference in how he looked then and how he looks now. So much difference that there was enormous scepticism in the boxing press and the boxing industry that the change in physique at nearly 40 years of age was down to legal methods.


Marquez will tell you that it's all down to "hard work in the gym" which is the mantra of every steroid cheat of the PED era. The guy who is his strength and conditioning coach has zero qualifications as a strength and conditioning coach but has been convicted of producing and supplying various steroids and PEDs to Olympic athletes for years. He was one of the top PED guys in the world till he got caught. It was inevitable that a guy like this would eventually gravitate to boxing.

The Olympic Dealer [interview with �ngel Heredia] – BoxingSocialist.com

No, no no! Can't you see that you've got it all wrong!? If I come home and a guy is in bed with my wife he's obviously just keeping her warm for me! PS your just a Pactard and he got KTFO so na na nana na!

[jahmez]

The whole "if he was going to do it, then why would he make it that obvious?" defense has and always will be lame. Add to the fact that PED guru changed his name and its pretty fucking funny really.

[AdamGB]

Where did I say JMM put on 15lbs of muscle? That was a hypothetical.

What I said applies to the gaining of ANY muscle, whether we're talking 0.5lbs or 50lbs.

It is incredibly hard to pack any muscle on your body when you are undergoing insane cardio day in, day out. That is a fact. It's not debatable.

It is also incredibly hard to do it when you are damn near 40 years old. Our testosterone levels start to drop in our early 30s, sometimes even mid to late 20s. An athlete being physically superior in his late 30's/early 40's than he was in his mid 20's/early 30's is something that was completely unheard of before PED's became commonplace.

So for JMM to put on that much muscle (I gaurentee you it was more than 1lb, but that's a moot point) is NOT NORMAL. It DEFIES SCIENCE. It's not a question of hard work. It's a question of science, and the limitation of the human body.

I'm not saying he's necessarily even taking illegal PED's.

Are you aware of testosterone replacement therapy? That's 100% legal.

In the last 12 months I've gained 14lbs and my body fat is lower than it's been in a while.

I do a lot of hours of INTENSE cardio every week.

If it's possible for me to put on a stone, then why would it be nearly impossible for a 40 year elite athlete, surrounded by a team of nutritionists, chefs, coaches, soft tissue therapists etc to put on .5lb drug free?

As long as he isn't on a calorie defecit he can gain weight, in fact at 40 his basal metabolic rate is going to have slowed significantly, making weight gain easier, almost inevitable... I'm sure he doesn't struggle to get nutrient and calorie dense food personally cooked for him round the clock...

Perhaps the change is because JMM's idea of nutrition has changed from drinking his own piss?

Apparently Pac condradicting yourself and flip flopping several times as to why he won't do tests for Floyd (I'm scares of needles - he has tattoos, I don't want to lose a drop of blood near a fight - he did it for MAB, it will distupt my training - he claims he will do it for lesser fighters now?) isn't suspicious as fuck, but knocking somebody the fuck out who keeps walking on to your counter right is?

[jahmez]

Why can't anybody accuse Marquez of being a roid muncher without being a Pactard? They're both little ped heads

[AdamGB]

You don't have to be a Pactard to think JMM used PEDs, but all Pactards now accuse JMM, without the slightest hint of irony...

[KananKrus]

Where did I say JMM put on 15lbs of muscle? That was a hypothetical.

What I said applies to the gaining of ANY muscle, whether we're talking 0.5lbs or 50lbs.

It is incredibly hard to pack any muscle on your body when you are undergoing insane cardio day in, day out. That is a fact. It's not debatable.

It is also incredibly hard to do it when you are damn near 40 years old. Our testosterone levels start to drop in our early 30s, sometimes even mid to late 20s. An athlete being physically superior in his late 30's/early 40's than he was in his mid 20's/early 30's is something that was completely unheard of before PED's became commonplace.

So for JMM to put on that much muscle (I gaurentee you it was more than 1lb, but that's a moot point) is NOT NORMAL. It DEFIES SCIENCE. It's not a question of hard work. It's a question of science, and the limitation of the human body.

I'm not saying he's necessarily even taking illegal PED's.

Are you aware of testosterone replacement therapy? That's 100% legal.

In the last 12 months I've gained 14lbs and my body fat is lower than it's been in a while.

I do a lot of hours of INTENSE cardio every week.

If it's possible for me to put on a stone, then why would it be nearly impossible for a 40 year elite athlete, surrounded by a team of nutritionists, chefs, coaches, soft tissue therapists etc to put on .5lb drug free?

As long as he isn't on a calorie defecit he can gain weight, in fact at 40 his basal metabolic rate is going to have slowed significantly, making weight gain easier, almost inevitable... I'm sure he doesn't struggle to get nutrient and calorie dense food personally cooked for him round the clock...

Perhaps the change is because JMM's idea of nutrition has changed from drinking his own piss?

Apparently Pac condradicting yourself and flip flopping several times as to why he won't do tests for Floyd (I'm scares of needles - he has tattoos, I don't want to lose a drop of blood near a fight - he did it for MAB, it will distupt my training - he claims he will do it for lesser fighters now?) isn't suspicious as fuck, but knocking somebody the fuck out who keeps walking on to your counter right is?

Who cares with what you do... What is the need to bring your personals in this discussion. maybe you are famous?

Irrelevant as it may be, with you taking free advertisement for yourself, doesn't add value to your argument.

For what is this? Who are you? A celebrity.... Can I get an autograph please?

[ykdadamaja]

This is why more scrutiny should be in boxing.... because no one would know now.

[ryanman]

Where did I say JMM put on 15lbs of muscle? That was a hypothetical.

What I said applies to the gaining of ANY muscle, whether we're talking 0.5lbs or 50lbs.

It is incredibly hard to pack any muscle on your body when you are undergoing insane cardio day in, day out. That is a fact. It's not debatable.

It is also incredibly hard to do it when you are damn near 40 years old. Our testosterone levels start to drop in our early 30s, sometimes even mid to late 20s. An athlete being physically superior in his late 30's/early 40's than he was in his mid 20's/early 30's is something that was completely unheard of before PED's became commonplace.

So for JMM to put on that much muscle (I gaurentee you it was more than 1lb, but that's a moot point) is NOT NORMAL. It DEFIES SCIENCE. It's not a question of hard work. It's a question of science, and the limitation of the human body.

I'm not saying he's necessarily even taking illegal PED's.

Are you aware of testosterone replacement therapy? That's 100% legal.

In the last 12 months I've gained 14lbs and my body fat is lower than it's been in a while.

I do a lot of hours of INTENSE cardio every week.

If it's possible for me to put on a stone, then why would it be nearly impossible for a 40 year elite athlete, surrounded by a team of nutritionists, chefs, coaches, soft tissue therapists etc to put on .5lb drug free?

As long as he isn't on a calorie defecit he can gain weight, in fact at 40 his basal metabolic rate is going to have slowed significantly, making weight gain easier, almost inevitable... I'm sure he doesn't struggle to get nutrient and calorie dense food personally cooked for him round the clock...

Perhaps the change is because JMM's idea of nutrition has changed from drinking his own piss?

Apparently Pac condradicting yourself and flip flopping several times as to why he won't do tests for Floyd (I'm scares of needles - he has tattoos, I don't want to lose a drop of blood near a fight - he did it for MAB, it will distupt my training - he claims he will do it for lesser fighters now?) isn't suspicious as fuck, but knocking somebody the fuck out who keeps walking on to your counter right is?

Who cares with what you do... What is the need to bring your personals in this discussion. maybe you are famous?

Irrelevant as it may be, with you taking free advertisement for yourself, doesn't add value to your argument.

For what is this? Who are you? A celebrity.... Can I get an autograph please?

What difference does it make if he is famous or not?
The point he is making is that it is physically possible to do such things without using PEDs. That's true whether you are famous or not.

[KananKrus]

Where did I say JMM put on 15lbs of muscle? That was a hypothetical.

What I said applies to the gaining of ANY muscle, whether we're talking 0.5lbs or 50lbs.

It is incredibly hard to pack any muscle on your body when you are undergoing insane cardio day in, day out. That is a fact. It's not debatable.

It is also incredibly hard to do it when you are damn near 40 years old. Our testosterone levels start to drop in our early 30s, sometimes even mid to late 20s. An athlete being physically superior in his late 30's/early 40's than he was in his mid 20's/early 30's is something that was completely unheard of before PED's became commonplace.

So for JMM to put on that much muscle (I gaurentee you it was more than 1lb, but that's a moot point) is NOT NORMAL. It DEFIES SCIENCE. It's not a question of hard work. It's a question of science, and the limitation of the human body.

I'm not saying he's necessarily even taking illegal PED's.

Are you aware of testosterone replacement therapy? That's 100% legal.

In the last 12 months I've gained 14lbs and my body fat is lower than it's been in a while.

I do a lot of hours of INTENSE cardio every week.

If it's possible for me to put on a stone, then why would it be nearly impossible for a 40 year elite athlete, surrounded by a team of nutritionists, chefs, coaches, soft tissue therapists etc to put on .5lb drug free?

As long as he isn't on a calorie defecit he can gain weight, in fact at 40 his basal metabolic rate is going to have slowed significantly, making weight gain easier, almost inevitable... I'm sure he doesn't struggle to get nutrient and calorie dense food personally cooked for him round the clock...

Perhaps the change is because JMM's idea of nutrition has changed from drinking his own piss?

Apparently Pac condradicting yourself and flip flopping several times as to why he won't do tests for Floyd (I'm scares of needles - he has tattoos, I don't want to lose a drop of blood near a fight - he did it for MAB, it will distupt my training - he claims he will do it for lesser fighters now?) isn't suspicious as fuck, but knocking somebody the fuck out who keeps walking on to your counter right is?

Who cares with what you do... What is the need to bring your personals in this discussion. maybe you are famous?

Irrelevant as it may be, with you taking free advertisement for yourself, doesn't add value to your argument.

For what is this? Who are you? A celebrity.... Can I get an autograph please?

What difference does it make if he is famous or not?
The point he is making is that it is physically possible to do such things without using PEDs. That's true whether you are famous or not.

12 year old tooting your own horn is ok? Part of boxing... Or you tooting his horn part of boxing? Oh you like that!

[Kirkland Laing]

Marquez is a career featherweight.

From young adulthood, say 18 years old to about 28-30 years old you fill out a bit. Boxers ut on a few more pounds over those years, move up in weight and so on.

Marquez was a featherweight until he was 32. He had one or two fights at 130 one at 135 and then made 143 to fight Floyd. At the weigh-in for Floyd he looked bloated and out of shape, like Duran looked when he moved up to welterweight. His next fight he made 133 and could probably have easily still made 130.

The exact same weight and strength training methods existed as exist today when he fought Floyd but there's a night and day difference in how he looked then and how he looks now. So much difference that there was enormous scepticism in the boxing press and the boxing industry that the change in physique at nearly 40 years of age was down to legal methods.


Marquez will tell you that it's all down to "hard work in the gym" which is the mantra of every steroid cheat of the PED era. The guy who is his strength and conditioning coach has zero qualifications as a strength and conditioning coach but has been convicted of producing and supplying various steroids and PEDs to Olympic athletes for years. He was one of the top PED guys in the world till he got caught. It was inevitable that a guy like this would eventually gravitate to boxing.

The Olympic Dealer [interview with �ngel Heredia] – BoxingSocialist.com

Great post and let me just say that I think they are all cheating at the highest level or at least the vast majority thereby making it an even playing field meaning cheating cannot be used as a reason for losing. Until the powers at be take their collective heads out of their collective asses to curb its use that statusquo remains. They most likely don't want to. Juice is responsible for to many highlight reels.

Thing is @Kirkland Laing that's not evidence. Its guilt by association. Not only that, I think its safe to assume that every sports nutritionist on the planet knows Peds and how to use them. If Marquez wanted to cheat he didn't need to hire Heredia of all people. There are some pretty hard core supplements out and about that are over the counter. For guys like him that work out for a living the effects on a body type such as his could be or at least appear to be pretty dramatic.

His opponent was probably a career junior featherweight and managed to accomplish something that has never been done in over a hundred years coming all the way from 106.Carpentier started at fly and ended at hev but never destroyed opponents on the way up. Many of the people who defended Manny are now the biggest finger pointers at Marquez.

One of Marquez's biggest changes in his approach to this fight was its desired conclusion. He wanted a short fight and based his training around it. In fact the muscle build up was well on its way in the third fight. He had already lost 3 marathons including at least 1 that many thought he clearly won. He was going to take it out of the hands of the judges come hell or high water and he did.

Reasonable people who can remain objective will acknowledge the empirical footprint that led to the knockout and yet not the knockout itself. I simply cannot get my head around that. It contradicts the previous acknowledgement.

Heredia isn't a sports nutritionist. He's a pharmacist. Marquez had an actual sports nutritionist working with him when he was training to fight Mayweather and he looked nothing like he did when he fought Manny last time.

[Julius Rain]

Heredia is lower than scum, that cheat will get a bullet threw his brain. Fuck bastards like him should be cull out from the gene pool. Marquez made a huge mistake bringing him in. If Heredia wasn't in his corner there wouldn't be any asterisk next to his legacy.

[Violent Demise]

Heredia is lower than scum, that cheat will get a bullet threw his brain. Fuck bastards like him should be cull out from the gene pool. Marquez made a huge mistake bringing him in. If Heredia wasn't in his corner there wouldn't be any asterisk next to his legacy.

There is no asterisk next to his legacy. Well maybe to some Pac groupies there is. But nobody give a fuck about that shot fan base There more than half way to extinction as it is. Ever since Marquez told Pacquiao it's nap time you don't even see them around any more.

[AdamGB]

Where did I say JMM put on 15lbs of muscle? That was a hypothetical.

What I said applies to the gaining of ANY muscle, whether we're talking 0.5lbs or 50lbs.

It is incredibly hard to pack any muscle on your body when you are undergoing insane cardio day in, day out. That is a fact. It's not debatable.

It is also incredibly hard to do it when you are damn near 40 years old. Our testosterone levels start to drop in our early 30s, sometimes even mid to late 20s. An athlete being physically superior in his late 30's/early 40's than he was in his mid 20's/early 30's is something that was completely unheard of before PED's became commonplace.

So for JMM to put on that much muscle (I gaurentee you it was more than 1lb, but that's a moot point) is NOT NORMAL. It DEFIES SCIENCE. It's not a question of hard work. It's a question of science, and the limitation of the human body.

I'm not saying he's necessarily even taking illegal PED's.

Are you aware of testosterone replacement therapy? That's 100% legal.

In the last 12 months I've gained 14lbs and my body fat is lower than it's been in a while.

I do a lot of hours of INTENSE cardio every week.

If it's possible for me to put on a stone, then why would it be nearly impossible for a 40 year elite athlete, surrounded by a team of nutritionists, chefs, coaches, soft tissue therapists etc to put on .5lb drug free?

As long as he isn't on a calorie defecit he can gain weight, in fact at 40 his basal metabolic rate is going to have slowed significantly, making weight gain easier, almost inevitable... I'm sure he doesn't struggle to get nutrient and calorie dense food personally cooked for him round the clock...

Perhaps the change is because JMM's idea of nutrition has changed from drinking his own piss?

Apparently Pac condradicting yourself and flip flopping several times as to why he won't do tests for Floyd (I'm scares of needles - he has tattoos, I don't want to lose a drop of blood near a fight - he did it for MAB, it will distupt my training - he claims he will do it for lesser fighters now?) isn't suspicious as fuck, but knocking somebody the fuck out who keeps walking on to your counter right is?

Who cares with what you do... What is the need to bring your personals in this discussion. maybe you are famous?

Irrelevant as it may be, with you taking free advertisement for yourself, doesn't add value to your argument.

For what is this? Who are you? A celebrity.... Can I get an autograph please?

An advertisement for 'me'? What am I selling? 'Advertisement', fuck off.
Are you fucking high or something? Are you just retarded?

Are you accusing me of trying to impress people on a message board? Why would I care about getting pats on the back from you? I don't need validation from people I don't know, only myself.

Are you saying I'm bragging? Bragging on the internet is easy and worthless, why would I bother?

I'm using myself as an example... A fucking EXAMPLE, if I, an average joe, with decent genetics, no chef, no nutritionist, no strength coach and limited time to exercise can gain 14lbs, then why can't a profesional athlete with extremely good genetics, unlimited time to exercise and a team of chefs, coaches and nutritionists can't gain 1lb of muscle when he starts using weight training for the first time?

You really can't work out what I am comparing? Simpleton.

[AdamGB]

Marquez is a career featherweight.

From young adulthood, say 18 years old to about 28-30 years old you fill out a bit. Boxers ut on a few more pounds over those years, move up in weight and so on.

Marquez was a featherweight until he was 32. He had one or two fights at 130 one at 135 and then made 143 to fight Floyd. At the weigh-in for Floyd he looked bloated and out of shape, like Duran looked when he moved up to welterweight. His next fight he made 133 and could probably have easily still made 130.

The exact same weight and strength training methods existed as exist today when he fought Floyd but there's a night and day difference in how he looked then and how he looks now. So much difference that there was enormous scepticism in the boxing press and the boxing industry that the change in physique at nearly 40 years of age was down to legal methods.


Marquez will tell you that it's all down to "hard work in the gym" which is the mantra of every steroid cheat of the PED era. The guy who is his strength and conditioning coach has zero qualifications as a strength and conditioning coach but has been convicted of producing and supplying various steroids and PEDs to Olympic athletes for years. He was one of the top PED guys in the world till he got caught. It was inevitable that a guy like this would eventually gravitate to boxing.

The Olympic Dealer [interview with �ngel Heredia] – BoxingSocialist.com

Great post and let me just say that I think they are all cheating at the highest level or at least the vast majority thereby making it an even playing field meaning cheating cannot be used as a reason for losing. Until the powers at be take their collective heads out of their collective asses to curb its use that statusquo remains. They most likely don't want to. Juice is responsible for to many highlight reels.

Thing is @Kirkland Laing that's not evidence. Its guilt by association. Not only that, I think its safe to assume that every sports nutritionist on the planet knows Peds and how to use them. If Marquez wanted to cheat he didn't need to hire Heredia of all people. There are some pretty hard core supplements out and about that are over the counter. For guys like him that work out for a living the effects on a body type such as his could be or at least appear to be pretty dramatic.

His opponent was probably a career junior featherweight and managed to accomplish something that has never been done in over a hundred years coming all the way from 106.Carpentier started at fly and ended at hev but never destroyed opponents on the way up. Many of the people who defended Manny are now the biggest finger pointers at Marquez.

One of Marquez's biggest changes in his approach to this fight was its desired conclusion. He wanted a short fight and based his training around it. In fact the muscle build up was well on its way in the third fight. He had already lost 3 marathons including at least 1 that many thought he clearly won. He was going to take it out of the hands of the judges come hell or high water and he did.

Reasonable people who can remain objective will acknowledge the empirical footprint that led to the knockout and yet not the knockout itself. I simply cannot get my head around that. It contradicts the previous acknowledgement.

Heredia isn't a sports nutritionist. He's a pharmacist. Marquez had an actual sports nutritionist working with him when he was training to fight Mayweather and he looked nothing like he did when he fought Manny last time.

Literally anybody can call themselves a nutritionist, it doesn't mean that they are a good one.

Would a real nutritionist have him drinking his own piss?

The fact that he had 'a' nutritionist for one fight doesn't mean that having 'a' good nutritionist the next time won't make a difference

[jahmez]

Why do you take yourself so seriously AdamGB he's just fucking with you that's all