Why is Steve Collins not in the International Boxing Hall of Fame?

[holmcall]

Does the IBHOF have something against him? Also Benn and Eubank? I get Calzaghe of course, but come on, these guys deserve to be in there.

[Ron Swanson]

Collins doesn't get a fair shake in any aspect of boxing discussion or consideration.

[Beanflicker]

I think he stinks and is overrated.

There's actually people on this board - no joke - who think he would have beaten prime Roy Jones at 168.

[Ron Swanson]

I think he stinks and is overrated.

There's actually people on this board - no joke - who think he would have beaten prime Roy Jones at 168.

Then he is overrated by those. But otherwise I see him as largely forgotten. I've been on various boxing message boards for around a decade and this is the first Collins thread I recall. Benn and Eubank come up all the time but never the man that beat each, twice.

[Kirkland Laing]

It's a bunch of boxing writers who decide who goes in the HOF. The consensus opinion is that those guys don't qualify. I'd vote Benn in but not the other two.

[holmcall]

It's a bunch of boxing writers who decide who goes in the HOF. The consensus opinion is that those guys don't qualify. I'd vote Benn in but not the other two.

These f--king writers are morons for the most part and know f--k all about boxing and boxing history. Fat Dan is a rime example. Many are frigging jock sniffing kids who are bile-inducing.

[Beanflicker]

Yeah but come on, he beat Nigel and Chris at the end of their careers.

He was a solid fighter for sure, I was impressed that he hung in there so well with Reggie Johnson (who is an INCREDIBLY underrated fighter) but I never saw Collins as anything special.

[Beanflicker]

He would have been eaten alive by Calzaghe and was right to retire when he did IMO.

[Ron Swanson]

Yeah but come on, he beat Nigel and Chris at the end of their careers.

He was a solid fighter for sure, I was impressed that he hung in there so well with Reggie Johnson (who is an INCREDIBLY underrated fighter) but I never saw Collins as anything special.

He never appeared special to me either. But sometimes we miss things. JCC could look ordinary if you didn't take the time to really get to know. I've seen many people that consider Hatton a glorified club fighter while I think Hatton at his best had a clever approach and fantastic abilities. I could list tons of guys that may look ordinary to me or you but had a certain something that got it done. Joe Cs best wins are against guys that were diminished or at the end. Collins is just another in the long line with that distinction. I'm by no means arguing he was a world beater. Just saying what he did warrants discussion.

[Hulk]

Yeah but come on, he beat Nigel and Chris at the end of their careers.

He was a solid fighter for sure, I was impressed that he hung in there so well with Reggie Johnson (who is an INCREDIBLY underrated fighter) but I never saw Collins as anything special.

I've seen very little of Collins, but his resume is not HOF worthy imo.


Reggie "The Embezzler" Johnson was a fine Light Heavy. He holds a LEGIT knockdown of James Tony, which was once an incredible feat.


Watch what Roy Jones did to Reggie Johnson. Just shut him down from the get go.

[cyclone]

I think he stinks and is overrated.

There's actually people on this board - no joke - who think he would have beaten prime Roy Jones at 168.

He doesn't stink as much as Calzhage and not nearly as overrated.

At least he could punch instead of slap.

[IamInuit]

I think he stinks and is overrated.

There's actually people on this board - no joke - who think he would have beaten prime Roy Jones at 168.

He doesn't stink as much as Calzhage and not nearly as overrated.

At least he could punch instead of slap.

The village called. They want their idiot back.

I'm starting to think Calzaghe banged your sister. Either that or you are just the typical troll here once or more before with an agenda hiding behind a proxy of sorts so the Mods cant match the ISP. By slap do you mean like this?

Or this?

Looks like ole slappy slaps pretty hard. Send Kessler a tweet and ask him how charmin soft it is.

So you tell me smart guy as to why Joe changed much of his direction, punch selection and timing?

Actually don't bother.

[cyclone]

I think he stinks and is overrated.

There's actually people on this board - no joke - who think he would have beaten prime Roy Jones at 168.

He doesn't stink as much as Calzhage and not nearly as overrated.

At least he could punch instead of slap.

The village called. They want their idiot back.

I'm starting to think Calzaghe banged your sister. Either that or you are just the typical troll here once or more before with an agenda hiding behind a proxy of sorts so the Mods cant match the ISP. By slap do you mean like this?

Or this?

Looks like ole slappy slaps pretty hard. Send Kessler a tweet and ask him how charmin soft it is.

So you tell me smart guy as to why Joe changed much of his direction, punch selection and timing?

Actually don't bother.

I'm beginning to think you are Joe Calzhage's sister

I can post pics of Sven Ottke landing shots...any fool can do that.

Kessler.......lol.....who did he ever beat?

He couldn't KO Mundine....Ottke LAID MUNDINE OUT..!
Open the doors to the BHOF for the awesome UNDEFEATED Sven Ottke.
Only a pussy can be impressed by The Welsh Rabbit.

[IamInuit]

Getting back to the authors question, the Hall has no criteria really. That is, no written one. Its subjective and bias in many cases. Some days all you need is a title and at other times you need more or you don't need one at all.

Why is Kid Azteca not in there?

or,

Harry Jeffra
Tippy Larkin
Esteban Dejesus
Bert Lytell
Jack Chase
Jackie Patterson
Willie Joyce
Rafael Herrera
Ernesto Marcel
Cocoa Kid
Jeff Clark
Lou Salica
Benny Briscoe?

[bradlee180]

Getting back to the authors question, the Hall has no criteria really. That is, no written one. Its subjective and bias in many cases. Some days all you need is a title and at other times you need more or you don't need one at all.

Why is Kid Azteca not in there?

or,

Harry Jeffra
Tippy Larkin
Esteban Dejesus
Bert Lytell
Jack Chase
Jackie Patterson
Willie Joyce
Rafael Herrera
Ernesto Marcel
Cocoa Kid
Jeff Clark
Lou Salica
Benny Briscoe?

...yep, but Sylvester Stallone is !