Thread: Miranda: "I want Taylor"

Miranda says he wants Taylor. I say Edison gets his ass kicked though. What do you guys think?

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I think this would be a great fight. I think it is Taylor's fight unless he get's stupid and tries to brawl with Miranda. Like he did against Kelly in their first fight.

Originally Posted by The Fightfan

I think this would be a great fight. I think it is Taylor's fight unless he get's stupid and tries to brawl with Miranda. Like he did against Kelly in their first fight.

I agree it would be a great fight. I think that Taylor Vs Pavlik I was one of the best fights I've seen at middleweight for quite some time and to be totally honest I actually think Taylor is the better of the two it was just he got caught off one of the hardest punchers p4p in the world and then in the second fight was too frightened to take a risk!

Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

Originally Posted by The Fightfan

I think this would be a great fight. I think it is Taylor's fight unless he get's stupid and tries to brawl with Miranda. Like he did against Kelly in their first fight.

I agree it would be a great fight. I think that Taylor Vs Pavlik I was one of the best fights I've seen at middleweight for quite some time and to be totally honest I actually think Taylor is the better of the two it was just he got caught off one of the hardest punchers p4p in the world and then in the second fight was too frightened to take a risk!

Miranda would be a live underdog in a fight with Taylor. It is doubtful Taylor can hurt Miranda. In addition, Taylor has a tendancy to keep his arms low, and against Miranda that may be his undoing. Two fighters have beat Miranda: Abraham, who has solid defense, and Pavlik who has average defense but compensates with tremendous power.

And Taylor is better than Pavlik? What is a better way to show you are better than an opponent than by beating him twice? Explain.

Is it me or is everyone and their mom's gunning for a fight with Taylor? Bhop. Green. Miranda. Froch. Kessler.

Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

Originally Posted by The Fightfan

I think this would be a great fight. I think it is Taylor's fight unless he get's stupid and tries to brawl with Miranda. Like he did against Kelly in their first fight.

I agree it would be a great fight. I think that Taylor Vs Pavlik I was one of the best fights I've seen at middleweight for quite some time and to be totally honest I actually think Taylor is the better of the two it was just he got caught off one of the hardest punchers p4p in the world and then in the second fight was too frightened to take a risk!

Miranda would be a live underdog in a fight with Taylor. It is doubtful Taylor can hurt Miranda. In addition, Taylor has a tendancy to keep his arms low, and against Miranda that may be his undoing. Two fighters have beat Miranda: Abraham, who has solid defense, and Pavlik who has average defense but compensates with tremendous power.

And Taylor is better than Pavlik? What is a better way to show you are better than an opponent than by beating him twice? Explain.

Is it me or is everyone and their mom's gunning for a fight with Taylor? Bhop. Green. Miranda. Froch. Kessler.

Dude. Taylor can definitely hurt Miranda. Miranda has no chin worth mentioning. Taylor has great power, and a solid jab. He will be world champ again. But I think he would beat all of the guys you mentioned with relative ease, except for Kessler, who would give him a good run and may edge a decision out of him.

Originally Posted by JonnyFolds

Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

I agree it would be a great fight. I think that Taylor Vs Pavlik I was one of the best fights I've seen at middleweight for quite some time and to be totally honest I actually think Taylor is the better of the two it was just he got caught off one of the hardest punchers p4p in the world and then in the second fight was too frightened to take a risk!

Miranda would be a live underdog in a fight with Taylor. It is doubtful Taylor can hurt Miranda. In addition, Taylor has a tendancy to keep his arms low, and against Miranda that may be his undoing. Two fighters have beat Miranda: Abraham, who has solid defense, and Pavlik who has average defense but compensates with tremendous power.

And Taylor is better than Pavlik? What is a better way to show you are better than an opponent than by beating him twice? Explain.

Is it me or is everyone and their mom's gunning for a fight with Taylor? Bhop. Green. Miranda. Froch. Kessler.

Dude. Taylor can definitely hurt Miranda. Miranda has no chin worth mentioning. Taylor has great power, and a solid jab. He will be world champ again. But I think he would beat all of the guys you mentioned with relative ease, except for Kessler, who would give him a good run and may edge a decision out of him.

I take that partially back. Miranda doesn't have a great chin.

Miranda has been knocked out by strong guys with big punches: Pavlik and Abraham. Who else put him on the floor? Allen Green did, but Miranda got up and went on to win the fight.

Does Jermain have great power? The last time he knocked out anyone was in 2005. He hasn't knocked out a name opponent ever. Please explain.

I am a huge Jermain fan. Don't get me wrong. In my books, he beats Froch easily and he probably beats Bute in a tough fight. But, he wins because he is fast and can box, not because he has power.

Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

Originally Posted by The Fightfan

I think this would be a great fight. I think it is Taylor's fight unless he get's stupid and tries to brawl with Miranda. Like he did against Kelly in their first fight.

I agree it would be a great fight. I think that Taylor Vs Pavlik I was one of the best fights I've seen at middleweight for quite some time and to be totally honest I actually think Taylor is the better of the two it was just he got caught off one of the hardest punchers p4p in the world and then in the second fight was too frightened to take a risk!

Miranda would be a live underdog in a fight with Taylor. It is doubtful Taylor can hurt Miranda. In addition, Taylor has a tendancy to keep his arms low, and against Miranda that may be his undoing. Two fighters have beat Miranda: Abraham, who has solid defense, and Pavlik who has average defense but compensates with tremendous power.

And Taylor is better than Pavlik? What is a better way to show you are better than an opponent than by beating him twice? Explain.

Is it me or is everyone and their mom's gunning for a fight with Taylor? Bhop. Green. Miranda. Froch. Kessler.

I know my logic in saying I think Talyor is better seems off. It's hard to expalin what I mean but here goes!

Taylor in the first fight was winning early on and was on verge of KOing Kelly until he gassed. He then went on to get hurt and stopped off Kelly and that was detrimental to Taylor's mindset when it came to fighting Kelly.

But for me if you were to pit them both against some of the great middleweight champs from history Taylor would have a better time. Just look at their fights with B-Hop, Taylor beat him twice and Pavlik got schooled!

Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

I agree it would be a great fight. I think that Taylor Vs Pavlik I was one of the best fights I've seen at middleweight for quite some time and to be totally honest I actually think Taylor is the better of the two it was just he got caught off one of the hardest punchers p4p in the world and then in the second fight was too frightened to take a risk!

Miranda would be a live underdog in a fight with Taylor. It is doubtful Taylor can hurt Miranda. In addition, Taylor has a tendancy to keep his arms low, and against Miranda that may be his undoing. Two fighters have beat Miranda: Abraham, who has solid defense, and Pavlik who has average defense but compensates with tremendous power.

And Taylor is better than Pavlik? What is a better way to show you are better than an opponent than by beating him twice? Explain.

Is it me or is everyone and their mom's gunning for a fight with Taylor? Bhop. Green. Miranda. Froch. Kessler.

I know my logic in saying I think Talyor is better seems off. It's hard to expalin what I mean but here goes!

Taylor in the first fight was winning early on and was on verge of KOing Kelly until he gassed. He then went on to get hurt and stopped off Kelly and that was detrimental to Taylor's mindset when it came to fighting Kelly.

But for me if you were to pit them both against some of the great middleweight champs from history Taylor would have a better time. Just look at their fights with B-Hop, Taylor beat him twice and Pavlik got schooled!

agreed..

Taylor had the power to wobble Kelly, and he really wobbled him with one punch to the top of Kelly's head.. Kelly took some straight shots from Miranda and stayed pretty much stable throughout the whole fight.. This shows Taylor does have power, and we've seen it in the past. Look at Winky's face after the Taylor fight..

Taylor gassed in the Pavlik fight, but he looked good in the first 4-5 rounds, besides getting hit with a few bombs.. He realized this and worked on his defense HEAVILY in preparing for the second fight.. It was the fact that the pace of the fight was intense that he gassed towards the end and couldn't win the last few rounds to take the victory..

Kessler would be Taylor's hardest opponent out of those guys.. Two guys with great jabs and big right hands.. except Kesslers right hand is much more straight and he would probably connect when Taylor opened up to throw.

Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

I agree it would be a great fight. I think that Taylor Vs Pavlik I was one of the best fights I've seen at middleweight for quite some time and to be totally honest I actually think Taylor is the better of the two it was just he got caught off one of the hardest punchers p4p in the world and then in the second fight was too frightened to take a risk!

Miranda would be a live underdog in a fight with Taylor. It is doubtful Taylor can hurt Miranda. In addition, Taylor has a tendancy to keep his arms low, and against Miranda that may be his undoing. Two fighters have beat Miranda: Abraham, who has solid defense, and Pavlik who has average defense but compensates with tremendous power.

And Taylor is better than Pavlik? What is a better way to show you are better than an opponent than by beating him twice? Explain.

Is it me or is everyone and their mom's gunning for a fight with Taylor? Bhop. Green. Miranda. Froch. Kessler.

I know my logic in saying I think Talyor is better seems off. It's hard to expalin what I mean but here goes!

Taylor in the first fight was winning early on and was on verge of KOing Kelly until he gassed. He then went on to get hurt and stopped off Kelly and that was detrimental to Taylor's mindset when it came to fighting Kelly.

But for me if you were to pit them both against some of the great middleweight champs from history Taylor would have a better time. Just look at their fights with B-Hop, Taylor beat him twice and Pavlik got schooled!

To me in the middleweight division Kelly has punch that can not be dealt with. Lightheavyweight is no place for Kelly to be at this point in time. People now make fun of Kelly by getting schooled by B-Hop but let's take a look at this.

B-Hop said it himself if Kelly would land one big shot he knew he would be in trouble. Something I never expected B-Hop to say.

Another thing people do forget whether you think I am making excuses or not Kelly had the flu since the Wednesday before the fight. He ran I believe it was 103 degree temperature on that Wednesday and was put on meds ASAP. No matter what you say or think if you are running a high temp it will effect you in the ring. I

I am not saying Kelly would have beaten B-Hop that night but if they fought at middleweight with Kelly not having temp issue well anything could happen.

With all that being said to your last question I think Kelly would fair much better in the middleweight division then Taylor. If you look at the all-time greats Monzon,Hagler. Pavlik has the same exact mantality a hard working,blue collar fighter. They didn't dazzle you with footwork,handspeed and ring generalship. They dazzled you with kicking your ass until you said mercy. IMO Monzon and Hagler would do exactly what Pavlik did to Taylor if they ever fought.

Originally Posted by The Fightfan

I think this would be a great fight. I think it is Taylor's fight unless he get's stupid and tries to brawl with Miranda. Like he did against Kelly in their first fight.

Well if it weren't for that great chin of Kelly's Jermain would have won. Miranda doesn't have Kelly's chin or heart. Taylor smashes him on his way to his first KO in years.

we've heard this before.. before Kelly beat the piss out of Miranda and Kelly got to fight him instead.

If Taylor fights like he did in Taylor/Pavlik II then Miranda has a very slight chance in winning..

Jermain's defense was great, and he was at the top of his game, i think.. Taylor's chin is pretty decent.. he took a lot of solid punches from Kelly before he was KO'd..