Thread: Gov, Arnold Schwarznegger: "Team Margarito is going to pay for cheating.

Margocheato Heats Up, HBO Buys 1983 Glove Tamper Scandal Docu!
Michael Marley
2/1/2009

Margocheato, not Margarito. While the Internet forums are rife with speculation and innuendo about the Antonio Margarito-Shane Mosley “loaded gloves” controversy, interest in cheating in boxing is high.

Which explains why HBO has bought the rights to producer Eric Drath’s documentary “Cornered,” which replays and reexamined the 1983 Madison Square Garden fight between Billy Collins Jr. and Luis Resto.

Trainer Carlos “Panama” Lewis removed all the padding from Resto’s gloves, turning his boxer’s fists into brass knuckle type weapons. Collins was savagely beaten during the fight and, when it was discovered how the Resto camp had cheated, Lewis and Resto were banned from boxing for life. The duo also did short bids in an upstate New York prison the name of which was, appropriately, the Collins Penitentiary.

Veteran trainer Artie Curley was also in Resto’s dressing room and corner. It is my belief that he knew what Lewis did but said nothing before or after the criminal act.

In an interview for Drath’s documentary, Resto admitted that he and Lewis doctored gloves for other bouts.

What’s been lost in the shuffle since 1983 is something I know for a fact. I was at the Garden that night and the two NYSAC officials who were supposed to inspect Resto’s gloves before never did so. One of the two was drunk while “on duty” at the card. Both men are now dead.

The California State Athletic Commission continues to probe the “hardened” wrappings which were removed when Mosley trainer Nazim Richardson blew the whistle to inspectors. Reports have likened the some of the wrapping material as being similar to plaster.

Meanwhile, a veteran Nevada commission official tells Boxingconfidential that California believes it has the goods on being Margarito and chief trainer Javier Capetillo being bad.

“I’ve spoken to some people over there,” the Nevada source said. “They are going to bring the hammer down on these guys. It doesn’t help the Margarito team’s situation that Gov, Schwarznegger was sitting at ringside. At the end of the day, the governor feels that it’s his commission and he wants any wrongdoers held accountable.”

The CSAC will begin a hearing on the matter Feb. 10.

The best outcome I can see for Margarito is if Capetillo tells the commission he was the cheater and that the fighter did not know what was going on.

California is looking, and rightfully so, to suspend and fine someone. If Capetillo plays fall guy, I think Margarito will receive lighter punishment or even possibly escape any interruption of his ring career.

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The governator wants to jump-in on Margo too.

In Margaros case have already a jurisprudence ( Collins fight ) , so i dont believe that Margaro didnt know what his trainer doing to him each time when Capetillo wrapping him , for example if somebody try to put on you in the Gauzes or hands-wrap something like that sustance that you unknown , is logic that you will going ask , What is that and for what?

Isnt it?

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Originally Posted by Macho

In Margaros case have already a jurisprudence ( Collins fight ) , so i dont believe that Margaro didnt know what his trainer doing to him each time when Capetillo wrapping him , for example if somebody try to put on you in the Gauzes or hands-wrap something like that sustance that you unknown , is logic that you will going ask , What is that and for what?

Isnt it?

Just like Tito would do right? and no i don't think Trinidad loaded up his gloves either, but he was accused of the same thing, and then i thought the same thing i think now, that it's just plain out bullshit, and if Capetillo were to do it, well hell you can't automatically say the fighter knew about it, plenty times you see a fighter just relaxing with headphones on while getting wrapped, getting focused for the fight

Gov. Arnie should worry more about getting his State out of financial ruin.DAMN...who busted The Governatter in the lip

Tony or any fighter for that matter should not be counted on to micro manage their respected corner people/trainer in doing their jobs.Mind needs to be on the ring and opponent.

Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

Gov. Arnie should worry more about getting his State out of financial ruin.DAMN...who busted The Governatter in the lip

Tony or any fighter for that matter should not be counted on to micro manage their respected corner people/trainer in doing their jobs.Mind needs to be on the ring and opponent.

Dunno, but I thought it was fitting for the thread

I am curious Danny G why do you not like Margarito? I can see why alot of people dont like some fighters because of their style or their attitude outside the ring. So I am honestly interested in knowing what you have against Margo?

Originally Posted by Kel

Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

Gov. Arnie should worry more about getting his State out of financial ruin.DAMN...who busted The Governatter in the lip

Tony or any fighter for that matter should not be counted on to micro manage their respected corner people/trainer in doing their jobs.Mind needs to be on the ring and opponent.

Dunno, but I thought it was fitting for the thread

Looks like Shane got a little carried away,Arnolds all messed up.Looks fresh

I liked Tony, but its pay to play...if he played around with the rules he has to pay.....If he loaded his gloves ban him for life.....

I respected Tony as a fighter even though I rooted for Cotto and Mosley (alot of times I go for the underdog), but if he did choose to cheat in this way he should be banned...

Dude you can compare Trinidad to Margarito.. Trinidad used tape not bricks/stones. Trinidad was a much better fighter and didnt use plaster...Don't try to justify this losers acts and dont try to find excuses because there aren't any...he cheated, he knew about it, and he only won fights because he cheated..now has been exposed and should pay the consequences and not claim stupidity and act as if we are dumb enough to believe him...at least I am not.

Just like Tito would do right? and no i don't think Trinidad loaded up his gloves either, but he was accused of the same thing, and then i thought the same thing i think now, that it's just plain out bullshit, and if Capetillo were to do it, well hell you can't automatically say the fighter knew about it, plenty times you see a fighter just relaxing with headphones on while getting wrapped, getting focused for the fight

Originally Posted by OnixAA

I am curious Danny G why do you not like Margarito? I can see why alot of people dont like some fighters because of their style or their attitude outside the ring. So I am honestly interested in knowing what you have against Margo?

It was rivalry with Cotto but after he beat Cotto, it was all good. I was rooting for Tony before the Mosley fight, but when news came out that he was loading his gloves, it all made perfect sense. He destroyed Cintron and Cotto and yet his punches against Shane were as though Sergio Mora himself was throwing those weak azz pity pat punches. Like Lampley said, where were those tremendous THUDDING punches against Mosley? He cheated, plain and simple. Fight to win and do what you can and must but adding plaster to your wraps is just a little too much for me. I lost respect for the guy.

In closing, when I found out about the plaster, I immediately began to root for Mosley and I enjoyed the fight very much because someone was caught cheating and got exposed right after.

Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

Gov. Arnie should worry more about getting his State out of financial ruin.DAMN...who busted The Governatter in the lip

Tony or any fighter for that matter should not be counted on to micro manage their respected corner people/trainer in doing their jobs.Mind needs to be on the ring and opponent.

Fighters and whoever is wrapping their hands have to be on the same page. You can't just wrap every fighters hands the same - every fighter's hands are different and because of that plus their style of boxing - handwrapping should be different and catered toward the boxer. This happens with feedback, input and learning as they develop that relationship. It also comes in training camp if that relationship isn't already in place (new trainer). Fight night is NOT the first time a fighter gets his hands wrapped by an individual.Even for my boxers that I've wrapped their hands for years - I get feedback to make sure the job feels good TO THEM. Doesn't really matter what I think. I'm no pro at handwrapping, but I know that pros know exactly how the wrap job should feel for them.

My point is that unless they 'loaded' his gloves regulary and during training camp - I would think Margarito either 1) knew something was different that night about the handwraps and planned to keep quiet or 2) he knew all along they "wrapped" his hands that way

I don't really buy the "he didn't know" excuse. A fighters hands are his career. You just don't go to sleep and wake up with your hands wrapped.

What if Cotto isnt tha same fighter he was prior to Tony and Tony is found guilty of loading his gloves....I think Tony should go to prison.......He essentially robbed Cotto of a Wolrd Championship career....

Dont cry Tony nut huggers...there was no reason for Tony to load his gloves before the Shane fight as compared to his three prior fights.........It is not like he wasnt knocking people out....

by the way this is my 100th post!!!!!! Go SADDO!!!

Originally Posted by Hunter

I liked Tony, but its pay to play...if he played around with the rules he has to pay.....If he loaded his gloves ban him for life.....

I respected Tony as a fighter even though I rooted for Cotto and Mosley (alot of times I go for the underdog), but if he did choose to cheat in this way he should be banned...

Well. He did get beat up for 25 minutes. That's a biblical penance.