Thread: B. J. Flores' comments on Wlad yesterday

If you listened to B.J. Flores yesterday, you would think Wlad was and is the most exciting fighter since Sugar Ray Robinson. Huh!What was that all about? And the other guy called the fight a "tour de force."

The dictionary defines "Tour de force" as "an exceptional achievement by an artist, author, or the like, that is unlikely to be equaled by that person or anyone else."

These guys have got to stop insulting us and start talking real sense. The hype machines are taking over and it's adding to a growing freak show aura.

Yeah, I think he said something like it was a brilliant performance and Wlad is a great tactical heavyweight. What I saw was a winning but very basic performance with a big man doing the same thing over and over and having sucess with it because hes so freakin big and hits hard. The heavyweight division is the only division, that a fight like that would be praised. Wlad wasnt spectacular. He won, and I give him credit for it, but it was a limited performance from what I saw. Take away Wlads power, and he is not a great techical fighter at all. I dont even think hes miles ahead of Valuev in terms of skill, he just hits much harder and is faster.

Originally Posted by BoomBoom

Yeah, I think he said something like it was a brilliant performance and Wlad is a great tactical heavyweight. What I saw was a winning but very basic performance with a big man doing the same thing over and over and having sucess with it because hes so freakin big and hits hard. The heavyweight division is the only division, that a fight like that would be praised. Wlad wasnt spectacular. He won, and I give him credit for it, but it was a limited performance from what I saw. Take away Wlads power, and he is not a great techical fighter at all. I dont even think hes miles ahead of Valuev in terms of skill, he just hits much harder and is faster.

Take away PBF's speed and he isn't technical either. I mean take the greatest trait from any fighter and they are pretty damn ordinary.

Wlad did have a dominant showing and vs the #3 ranked heavyweight in most people's opinions. Ruslan had never had much trouble vs anyone, sure he had a little ring rust vs Drummond but he was undefeated and had beaten some pretty decent competition in his own right and Wlad never let him in the fight....total domination.

The sad thing is had that been David Haye in there the tone of these posts would still be the same, apparently for some people Wlad just hasn't done enough they don't care about the 53 wins they only look at the losses, they don't care about the 47 KO's they only care about the way he gets them....one day when Wlad is old and retired people will look back and come to grips with how much he accomplished and how dominant a fighter he was.

Saying that about his victories, you have to look at who he has beaten. It's one hell of a padded record. It's a very sad indictment of the division that someone like Wlad can just jab there way to the top and be so very boring.

Originally Posted by Lyle

Wlad did have a dominant showing and vs the #3 ranked heavyweight in most people's opinions. Ruslan had never had much trouble vs anyone, sure he had a little ring rust vs Drummond but he was undefeated and had beaten some pretty decent competition in his own right and Wlad never let him in the fight....total domination.

The sad thing is had that been David Haye in there the tone of these posts would still be the same, apparently for some people Wlad just hasn't done enough they don't care about the 53 wins they only look at the losses, they don't care about the 47 KO's they only care about the way he gets them....one day when Wlad is old and retired people will look back and come to grips with how much he accomplished and how dominant a fighter he was.

Nope, Never

Holyfield
Prime Bowe
Lewis
Prime Tyson
Michael Moorer

Would all beat Wlad, he is a very mediocre fighter in a lackluster division. I agree no one can outbox him currently, because there all stiffs.

Ruslan#3 yea ok 10 or so years ago he wouldnt even be a top 20.

Wlad is the best now, fine but its the weakest heavyweight era I can ever remember.

Congrats Wlad your king of the garbage dump

Originally Posted by rowlesy

Saying that about his victories, you have to look at who he has beaten. It's one hell of a padded record. It's a very sad indictment of the division that someone like Wlad can just jab there way to the top and be so very boring.

...well after a post like that I don't even have to call you a hater you're proudly promoting yourself as one without any help from the like of me.

Wladimir does what he does, he comes to fight in shape, he gets the KO's and he doesn't get hit. He's not Mike Tyson, he's not Evander Holyfield but he has achieved so much already and he's just 32 so he's got a lot left in him.

Sure the guys Wlad has fought recently have mainly been fighting to stay alive Tyson had similar issues as did Lennox Lewis and they had tough fights on account of it and they weren't fun to watch. But that isn't a testament to how weak the division is, it's a testament to how good of a fighter Wladimir is, that a very experienced pro like Chagaev can just be baffled by the size, the skill, and the athletism of Wladimir and have no answer for it.

But go ahead and hate away...I'll enjoy it all the more when David Haye gets smacked down like the punk he is

Originally Posted by JT Rock

Nope, Never

Holyfield
Prime Bowe
Lewis
Prime Tyson
Michael Moorer

Would all beat Wlad, he is a very mediocre fighter in a lackluster division. I agree no one can outbox him currently, because there all stiffs.

Ruslan#3 yea ok 10 or so years ago he wouldnt even be a top 20.

Wlad is the best now, fine but its the weakest heavyweight era I can ever remember.

Congrats Wlad your king of the garbage dump

Are those guys fighting right now? Is it 100% certain that those guys could hang with Wladimir No, so all you have is a fucking opinion and I do believe that everyone has an opinion.

"Wlad wouldn't stand a chance vs a Prime ____" ...you can fuck off that's what you can do because a Prime ____ ain't walking through that door. Mike Tyson got beat by Buster Douglas, Kevin McBride and Danny Williams and was getting worked over by Frans Botha before Tyson tried to break his arms....so don't give me this shit.

I dont think its the numbers of KO's really so much as its his approach.I say it with any guy,Ko's can be a bit misleading.Its a willingness and intensity when you are in absolute control...shifting gears and putting a period on it..I think he has a much better arsenal than he shows alot of the times but maybe throwing more leaves you there to be open yourself.Given his past losses I think he is very conscious of it.

Originally Posted by JT Rock

Originally Posted by Lyle

Wlad did have a dominant showing and vs the #3 ranked heavyweight in most people's opinions. Ruslan had never had much trouble vs anyone, sure he had a little ring rust vs Drummond but he was undefeated and had beaten some pretty decent competition in his own right and Wlad never let him in the fight....total domination.

The sad thing is had that been David Haye in there the tone of these posts would still be the same, apparently for some people Wlad just hasn't done enough they don't care about the 53 wins they only look at the losses, they don't care about the 47 KO's they only care about the way he gets them....one day when Wlad is old and retired people will look back and come to grips with how much he accomplished and how dominant a fighter he was.

Nope, Never

Holyfield
Prime Bowe
Lewis
Prime Tyson
Michael Moorer

Would all beat Wlad, he is a very mediocre fighter in a lackluster division. I agree no one can outbox him currently, because there all stiffs.

Ruslan#3 yea ok 10 or so years ago he wouldnt even be a top 20.

Wlad is the best now, fine but its the weakest heavyweight era I can ever remember.

Congrats Wlad your king of the garbage dump

I am sorry Michael Moorer? Are you serious?

I just get tired of reading all the hate people have for Wladimir...it's ridiculous

I don't think it's so much hate as it is reticence about putting his accomplishments on a high pedestal against limited opposition. Most of us miss the old days of heavyweights andWlad unfortunately gets and will continue to get put in a light next to them.

I like Wlad, always have, but I have become disenchanted with the repetitive performances he puts on. He wins, and credit to him, and also he comes in shape every time{which is saying alot these days}, but I feel like he doesn't show any variety or evolution to his game. With so many of his opponents being dire at best he could show more of those tools I think he has, instead of the same ole' thing fight after fight. I've heard broken records that had more variety in the tunes they played.

Alot of these guys he fights he could be getting out sooner than he does; but that seemingly lack of killer instinct or fear of risk holds him back imo. It's just frustrating at times. On the other hand, if he was more dominant and finished these fights with more pazazz' he might take more criticism for lack of worthy opponents in the division. But still he could show more dynamics than what he does imo Lyle. But still; a win is a win and he can only fight who's put in front of him, not past legends.

Originally Posted by The Fightfan

Originally Posted by JT Rock

Originally Posted by Lyle

Wlad did have a dominant showing and vs the #3 ranked heavyweight in most people's opinions. Ruslan had never had much trouble vs anyone, sure he had a little ring rust vs Drummond but he was undefeated and had beaten some pretty decent competition in his own right and Wlad never let him in the fight....total domination.

The sad thing is had that been David Haye in there the tone of these posts would still be the same, apparently for some people Wlad just hasn't done enough they don't care about the 53 wins they only look at the losses, they don't care about the 47 KO's they only care about the way he gets them....one day when Wlad is old and retired people will look back and come to grips with how much he accomplished and how dominant a fighter he was.

Nope, Never

Holyfield
Prime Bowe
Lewis
Prime Tyson
Michael Moorer

Would all beat Wlad, he is a very mediocre fighter in a lackluster division. I agree no one can outbox him currently, because there all stiffs.

Ruslan#3 yea ok 10 or so years ago he wouldnt even be a top 20.

Wlad is the best now, fine but its the weakest heavyweight era I can ever remember.

Congrats Wlad your king of the garbage dump

I am sorry Michael Moorer? Are you serious?

You beat me to it. Michael Moorer? Wlad would annihilate Michael Moorer.

Moorer only won the title because Evander Holyfield practicially had a heart attack during the middle of their fight. And he lost the title in his first defense to a guy who was 45 years old.

OK, I understand your frustration Legion, and I understand that watching not only the way Wlad fights but the way his opponents seem to forget all they have learned about boxing after eating a couple jabs from him can be a bit repetitive and frustrating but given what he does to what is currently top competition IS meaningful and it is remarkable. So Wladimir isn't exciting, he IS dominant...so he doesn't mix it up, but he DOES get the KO's. We can spend all day comparing and contrasting Wladimir to all the other champions this division has seen, but he's not in a position to prove himself against those All-Time greats and I know a ton of people would think that Wlad would lose to all of them all of the time, but I think that is not relevant to the situation and it's not a worthwhile argument to have.

People sooner or later will have to respect or at least accept what Wladimir has accomplished in the division. People can hate on Tyson's division, Louis' division, Marciano's division, just as easily as they can hate on Wladimir's division but it doesn't diminish what it means to be THE Heavyweight Champion of the World...Wlad has not backed away from fighting anyone, he's learned from his mistakes, he's avenged defeat, he's gotten up off the canvas to win, he's worked through being cut to win, and he continues to dominate. I'm not saying he's the greatest of All-Time or anything, but he has put together a very good record and has dominated his era and he's only 32 so if he had 8-10 more fights (fighting 2 times a year) and won them all at his current KO% he'd have a record of something like 63 wins and like 55 KO's vs just 3 losses and I don't care what era you're fighting in that would be considered GREAT in my book. Wlad is already a Hall of Famer IMO

Don't get me wrong, either. I am a big Wlad fan, but a "tout de force" it was not. Bottom line: Flores and the other guy need to find new work.