Thread: B. J. Flores' comments on Wlad yesterday

If you listened to B.J. Flores yesterday, you would think Wlad was and is the most exciting fighter since Sugar Ray Robinson. Huh!What was that all about? And the other guy called the fight a "tour de force."

The dictionary defines "Tour de force" as "an exceptional achievement by an artist, author, or the like, that is unlikely to be equaled by that person or anyone else."

These guys have got to stop insulting us and start talking real sense. The hype machines are taking over and it's adding to a growing freak show aura.

Yeah, I think he said something like it was a brilliant performance and Wlad is a great tactical heavyweight. What I saw was a winning but very basic performance with a big man doing the same thing over and over and having sucess with it because hes so freakin big and hits hard. The heavyweight division is the only division, that a fight like that would be praised. Wlad wasnt spectacular. He won, and I give him credit for it, but it was a limited performance from what I saw. Take away Wlads power, and he is not a great techical fighter at all. I dont even think hes miles ahead of Valuev in terms of skill, he just hits much harder and is faster.

Originally Posted by BoomBoom

Yeah, I think he said something like it was a brilliant performance and Wlad is a great tactical heavyweight. What I saw was a winning but very basic performance with a big man doing the same thing over and over and having sucess with it because hes so freakin big and hits hard. The heavyweight division is the only division, that a fight like that would be praised. Wlad wasnt spectacular. He won, and I give him credit for it, but it was a limited performance from what I saw. Take away Wlads power, and he is not a great techical fighter at all. I dont even think hes miles ahead of Valuev in terms of skill, he just hits much harder and is faster.

Take away PBF's speed and he isn't technical either. I mean take the greatest trait from any fighter and they are pretty damn ordinary.

Wlad did have a dominant showing and vs the #3 ranked heavyweight in most people's opinions. Ruslan had never had much trouble vs anyone, sure he had a little ring rust vs Drummond but he was undefeated and had beaten some pretty decent competition in his own right and Wlad never let him in the fight....total domination.

The sad thing is had that been David Haye in there the tone of these posts would still be the same, apparently for some people Wlad just hasn't done enough they don't care about the 53 wins they only look at the losses, they don't care about the 47 KO's they only care about the way he gets them....one day when Wlad is old and retired people will look back and come to grips with how much he accomplished and how dominant a fighter he was.

Saying that about his victories, you have to look at who he has beaten. It's one hell of a padded record. It's a very sad indictment of the division that someone like Wlad can just jab there way to the top and be so very boring.

Originally Posted by rowlesy

Saying that about his victories, you have to look at who he has beaten. It's one hell of a padded record. It's a very sad indictment of the division that someone like Wlad can just jab there way to the top and be so very boring.

...well after a post like that I don't even have to call you a hater you're proudly promoting yourself as one without any help from the like of me.

Wladimir does what he does, he comes to fight in shape, he gets the KO's and he doesn't get hit. He's not Mike Tyson, he's not Evander Holyfield but he has achieved so much already and he's just 32 so he's got a lot left in him.

Sure the guys Wlad has fought recently have mainly been fighting to stay alive Tyson had similar issues as did Lennox Lewis and they had tough fights on account of it and they weren't fun to watch. But that isn't a testament to how weak the division is, it's a testament to how good of a fighter Wladimir is, that a very experienced pro like Chagaev can just be baffled by the size, the skill, and the athletism of Wladimir and have no answer for it.

But go ahead and hate away...I'll enjoy it all the more when David Haye gets smacked down like the punk he is

Originally Posted by Lyle

Wlad did have a dominant showing and vs the #3 ranked heavyweight in most people's opinions. Ruslan had never had much trouble vs anyone, sure he had a little ring rust vs Drummond but he was undefeated and had beaten some pretty decent competition in his own right and Wlad never let him in the fight....total domination.

The sad thing is had that been David Haye in there the tone of these posts would still be the same, apparently for some people Wlad just hasn't done enough they don't care about the 53 wins they only look at the losses, they don't care about the 47 KO's they only care about the way he gets them....one day when Wlad is old and retired people will look back and come to grips with how much he accomplished and how dominant a fighter he was.

Nope, Never

Holyfield
Prime Bowe
Lewis
Prime Tyson
Michael Moorer

Would all beat Wlad, he is a very mediocre fighter in a lackluster division. I agree no one can outbox him currently, because there all stiffs.

Ruslan#3 yea ok 10 or so years ago he wouldnt even be a top 20.

Wlad is the best now, fine but its the weakest heavyweight era I can ever remember.

Congrats Wlad your king of the garbage dump

Originally Posted by JT Rock

Nope, Never

Holyfield
Prime Bowe
Lewis
Prime Tyson
Michael Moorer

Would all beat Wlad, he is a very mediocre fighter in a lackluster division. I agree no one can outbox him currently, because there all stiffs.

Ruslan#3 yea ok 10 or so years ago he wouldnt even be a top 20.

Wlad is the best now, fine but its the weakest heavyweight era I can ever remember.

Congrats Wlad your king of the garbage dump

Are those guys fighting right now? Is it 100% certain that those guys could hang with Wladimir No, so all you have is a fucking opinion and I do believe that everyone has an opinion.

"Wlad wouldn't stand a chance vs a Prime ____" ...you can fuck off that's what you can do because a Prime ____ ain't walking through that door. Mike Tyson got beat by Buster Douglas, Kevin McBride and Danny Williams and was getting worked over by Frans Botha before Tyson tried to break his arms....so don't give me this shit.

Originally Posted by JT Rock

Originally Posted by Lyle

Wlad did have a dominant showing and vs the #3 ranked heavyweight in most people's opinions. Ruslan had never had much trouble vs anyone, sure he had a little ring rust vs Drummond but he was undefeated and had beaten some pretty decent competition in his own right and Wlad never let him in the fight....total domination.

The sad thing is had that been David Haye in there the tone of these posts would still be the same, apparently for some people Wlad just hasn't done enough they don't care about the 53 wins they only look at the losses, they don't care about the 47 KO's they only care about the way he gets them....one day when Wlad is old and retired people will look back and come to grips with how much he accomplished and how dominant a fighter he was.

Nope, Never

Holyfield
Prime Bowe
Lewis
Prime Tyson
Michael Moorer

Would all beat Wlad, he is a very mediocre fighter in a lackluster division. I agree no one can outbox him currently, because there all stiffs.

Ruslan#3 yea ok 10 or so years ago he wouldnt even be a top 20.

Wlad is the best now, fine but its the weakest heavyweight era I can ever remember.

Congrats Wlad your king of the garbage dump

I am sorry Michael Moorer? Are you serious?

Originally Posted by boozeboxer

Originally Posted by BoomBoom

Yeah, I think he said something like it was a brilliant performance and Wlad is a great tactical heavyweight. What I saw was a winning but very basic performance with a big man doing the same thing over and over and having sucess with it because hes so freakin big and hits hard. The heavyweight division is the only division, that a fight like that would be praised. Wlad wasnt spectacular. He won, and I give him credit for it, but it was a limited performance from what I saw. Take away Wlads power, and he is not a great techical fighter at all. I dont even think hes miles ahead of Valuev in terms of skill, he just hits much harder and is faster.

Take away PBF's speed and he isn't technical either. I mean take the greatest trait from any fighter and they are pretty damn ordinary.

PBF isn't even that fast... he just reads ahead. he reads opponents very well, has a great boxing brain and excellently rehearsed instinctual patterns and responses to punches.

So yeah... take his speed away and he's still one skilled mofo.

Originally Posted by BoomBoom

I dont even think hes miles ahead of Valuev in terms of skill, he just hits much harder and is faster.

THis is the most ridicoulous comment I've heard in a while. Dude, Valuev is nothing compared to Wlad. Wlad has power , speed and he's great technically , he rarely gets hit nowadays. And that DOES take skill to do so (keep fighter at range and use feet etc)

Valuev clearly lost to Chagaev btw
Chagaev was shutout and ko'd by Wladimir

Wladimir has come to grow as a fighter. He knows his limitations well now and so he won't be so easy to knockout. He is very cautious because he knows he can not bang. His chin is not glass but its not heavyweight standard. In the weak heavyweight division its not really fair to Wlad that he can not be really tested. And why is everyone talking about Wlad like he the dominant heavyweight champ? Vitali is the man of the division. Does anyone really think Wlad is better Now comparing Vitali to the heavyweight past greats is the real warranted discussion!

Originally Posted by holmcall

If you listened to B.J. Flores yesterday, you would think Wlad was and is the most exciting fighter since Sugar Ray Robinson. Huh!What was that all about? And the other guy called the fight a "tour de force."

The dictionary defines "Tour de force" as "an exceptional achievement by an artist, author, or the like, that is unlikely to be equaled by that person or anyone else."

These guys have got to stop insulting us and start talking real sense. The hype machines are taking over and it's adding to a growing freak show aura.

Well people said much the same about Hopkins wins over Pavlik and Tarver and this was a lot more entertaining than either of them,