B. J. Flores' comments on Wlad yesterday

[The Fightfan]

Wlad did have a dominant showing and vs the #3 ranked heavyweight in most people's opinions. Ruslan had never had much trouble vs anyone, sure he had a little ring rust vs Drummond but he was undefeated and had beaten some pretty decent competition in his own right and Wlad never let him in the fight....total domination.

The sad thing is had that been David Haye in there the tone of these posts would still be the same, apparently for some people Wlad just hasn't done enough they don't care about the 53 wins they only look at the losses, they don't care about the 47 KO's they only care about the way he gets them....one day when Wlad is old and retired people will look back and come to grips with how much he accomplished and how dominant a fighter he was.

Nope, Never

Holyfield
Prime Bowe
Lewis
Prime Tyson
Michael Moorer

Would all beat Wlad, he is a very mediocre fighter in a lackluster division. I agree no one can outbox him currently, because there all stiffs.

Ruslan#3 yea ok 10 or so years ago he wouldnt even be a top 20.

Wlad is the best now, fine but its the weakest heavyweight era I can ever remember.

Congrats Wlad your king of the garbage dump

I am sorry Michael Moorer? Are you serious?

[El Kabong]

I just get tired of reading all the hate people have for Wladimir...it's ridiculous

[LEGION]

I don't think it's so much hate as it is reticence about putting his accomplishments on a high pedestal against limited opposition. Most of us miss the old days of heavyweights andWlad unfortunately gets and will continue to get put in a light next to them.

I like Wlad, always have, but I have become disenchanted with the repetitive performances he puts on. He wins, and credit to him, and also he comes in shape every time{which is saying alot these days}, but I feel like he doesn't show any variety or evolution to his game. With so many of his opponents being dire at best he could show more of those tools I think he has, instead of the same ole' thing fight after fight. I've heard broken records that had more variety in the tunes they played.

Alot of these guys he fights he could be getting out sooner than he does; but that seemingly lack of killer instinct or fear of risk holds him back imo. It's just frustrating at times. On the other hand, if he was more dominant and finished these fights with more pazazz' he might take more criticism for lack of worthy opponents in the division. But still he could show more dynamics than what he does imo Lyle. But still; a win is a win and he can only fight who's put in front of him, not past legends.

[El Kabong]

OK, I understand your frustration Legion, and I understand that watching not only the way Wlad fights but the way his opponents seem to forget all they have learned about boxing after eating a couple jabs from him can be a bit repetitive and frustrating but given what he does to what is currently top competition IS meaningful and it is remarkable. So Wladimir isn't exciting, he IS dominant...so he doesn't mix it up, but he DOES get the KO's. We can spend all day comparing and contrasting Wladimir to all the other champions this division has seen, but he's not in a position to prove himself against those All-Time greats and I know a ton of people would think that Wlad would lose to all of them all of the time, but I think that is not relevant to the situation and it's not a worthwhile argument to have.

People sooner or later will have to respect or at least accept what Wladimir has accomplished in the division. People can hate on Tyson's division, Louis' division, Marciano's division, just as easily as they can hate on Wladimir's division but it doesn't diminish what it means to be THE Heavyweight Champion of the World...Wlad has not backed away from fighting anyone, he's learned from his mistakes, he's avenged defeat, he's gotten up off the canvas to win, he's worked through being cut to win, and he continues to dominate. I'm not saying he's the greatest of All-Time or anything, but he has put together a very good record and has dominated his era and he's only 32 so if he had 8-10 more fights (fighting 2 times a year) and won them all at his current KO% he'd have a record of something like 63 wins and like 55 KO's vs just 3 losses and I don't care what era you're fighting in that would be considered GREAT in my book. Wlad is already a Hall of Famer IMO

[holmcall]

Don't get me wrong, either. I am a big Wlad fan, but a "tout de force" it was not. Bottom line: Flores and the other guy need to find new work.

[Nameless]

Wlad is definitely better than most of the hate that has been stated above; Sure, the division is not as exciting as it once was but that doesn't mean that neither Vitali or Wlad are just on the top of a garbage bin. I think that the biggest problem peoples have with Wlad is that he doesn't fight excitingly but there again, he's a Kronk type of boxer, was Lewis anymore exciting? Nope, it was even worst in some way as he was allwayyss grabbing when peoples were getting closer. Worst modern champion? 2 words: John Ruiz. End of the story. Mchael Moorer? definitely not, he would get killed by Wlad.
The Real Deal at its peak? If Lewis did beat him, Wlad definitely can, especially as their size and fighting style are more or less the same with the same kind of chin. Prime Tyson? Tyson lost his soul against Douglas and got totally humiliated by LEwis with the jab jab powerhand strategy, it could be the same against Wlad, I am not saying that Wlad automatically wins but he would definitely has all his chances.
I would go as far as saying that if Wlad would head from North America or England, he would have much more respect and a lot more fan over the pond.

I can understand and accept why peoples don't like Wlad or the state of the actual division but a bit more moderation would be welcome in the "acid" remarks made toward him.

[BoomBoom]

OK, I understand your frustration Legion, and I understand that watching not only the way Wlad fights but the way his opponents seem to forget all they have learned about boxing after eating a couple jabs from him can be a bit repetitive and frustrating but given what he does to what is currently top competition IS meaningful and it is remarkable. So Wladimir isn't exciting, he IS dominant...so he doesn't mix it up, but he DOES get the KO's. We can spend all day comparing and contrasting Wladimir to all the other champions this division has seen, but he's not in a position to prove himself against those All-Time greats and I know a ton of people would think that Wlad would lose to all of them all of the time, but I think that is not relevant to the situation and it's not a worthwhile argument to have.

People sooner or later will have to respect or at least accept what Wladimir has accomplished in the division. People can hate on Tyson's division, Louis' division, Marciano's division, just as easily as they can hate on Wladimir's division but it doesn't diminish what it means to be THE Heavyweight Champion of the World...Wlad has not backed away from fighting anyone, he's learned from his mistakes, he's avenged defeat, he's gotten up off the canvas to win, he's worked through being cut to win, and he continues to dominate. I'm not saying he's the greatest of All-Time or anything, but he has put together a very good record and has dominated his era and he's only 32 so if he had 8-10 more fights (fighting 2 times a year) and won them all at his current KO% he'd have a record of something like 63 wins and like 55 KO's vs just 3 losses and I don't care what era you're fighting in that would be considered GREAT in my book. Wlad is already a Hall of Famer IMO

I think your first paragraph here is fair. But, you have to understand that it isnt hating on him, its just saying what ive seen, I even like Wlad. But he is a two punch fighter right now and he is overly cautious. He doesnt need to be either of those things, but he is. In the past he has shown a greater instinct and threw more punches than a jab and straight right. I also think it is fair to say that he doesnt have a career defining win either. Most HOFers have beat future hall of famers to become one, or at least a some of great/very good fighters. Wlad hasnt done that. Thats not his fault imo, because they are all garbage, but I cant call him great cause hes never been in a position to show if he is. I dont think he is, but thats not even an issue. Wlad will probably get in the hall when his career is over based on his accomplishments on paper and possible records that he could set. But I dont agree with your criteria for him being great because he could have 55kos in 63 fights or whatever.

[JT Rock]

Moorer was a good boxer,WHO CAME TO FIGHT PERIOD!

Im not saying Moorer is a worldbeater, I'm advocating in this era of Heavies Moorer would be damn good

So tell me Pea, Fightfan and Lyle who on Wlads record is better than Prime Michael Moorer?

Would you rate Ruslan Chagaev who is #3 Heavy higher than a Prime Moorer if he was in this era? I doubt it

Plus I have no doubt any version of George Foreman even the 45 year old version would beat Wlad. You geniuses forget Moorer was beating george and busting him up until he ran into Georges right hand. How many guys you know that could take a Foreman flush power shot?

Lyle! I loke how you ignored the other fighters on my list and went right to dispariging Tyson, you honestly think Wlad would beat Tyson. The guys you mentioned took the fight to tyson and werent scared, Wlad wouldnt take the fight to a grocery bagger let alone MIKE TYSON.

Fighting tentatively and scared against Tyson would get Wlad KTFO
Tyson would easily slip the jab and rip Wlads body and jaw it would be funny to watch Wlad flop around the ring like a fish out of water while Tyson took him to the woodshed

[The Fightfan]

Moorer was a good boxer,WHO CAME TO FIGHT PERIOD!

Im not saying Moorer is a worldbeater, I'm advocating in this era of Heavies Moorer would be damn good

So tell me Pea, Fightfan and Lyle who on Wlads record is better than Prime Michael Moorer?

Would you rate Ruslan Chagaev who is #3 Heavy higher than a Prime Moorer if he was in this era? I doubt it

Plus I have no doubt any version of George Foreman even the 45 year old version would beat Wlad. You geniuses forget Moorer was beating george and busting him up until he ran into Georges right hand. How many guys you know that could take a Foreman flush power shot?

Lyle! I loke how you ignored the other fighters on my list and went right to dispariging Tyson, you honestly think Wlad would beat Tyson. The guys you mentioned took the fight to tyson and werent scared, Wlad wouldnt take the fight to a grocery bagger let alone MIKE TYSON.

Fighting tentatively and scared against Tyson would get Wlad KTFO
Tyson would easily slip the jab and rip Wlads body and jaw it would be funny to watch Wlad flop around the ring like a fish out of water while Tyson took him to the woodshed

OK IMO he lost to Evander. I had Evander ahead by one round, he then lost too an old slow George Foreman. Barely scraped by Axel Schultz,and the white Buffalo Frans Botha. Vaugh Bean was probably the most boring fight I have ever watched in my life period. Yes I would take Chageav a 6'2 225 lbs and Moorer probably at the same weight I would have took Chageav from what I've seen before Wlad disposed of him.

The version of Tyson after jail Wlad would have destroyed no doubt about it in my mind. The Lennox fight I wold say who's jaw would hold up first, Holyfield Wlad would do decent against and keep him at bay. Bowe had one good fight IMO against Holyfield in the first fight and then went completly to shit. Another heavyweight I thought could have done a bunch but because he is retarded and ate himself to death completly overrated. I would give Wlad a good chance against everyone of these fighter's at this point in his career.

[SweetPea]

Wlad did have a dominant showing and vs the #3 ranked heavyweight in most people's opinions. Ruslan had never had much trouble vs anyone, sure he had a little ring rust vs Drummond but he was undefeated and had beaten some pretty decent competition in his own right and Wlad never let him in the fight....total domination.

The sad thing is had that been David Haye in there the tone of these posts would still be the same, apparently for some people Wlad just hasn't done enough they don't care about the 53 wins they only look at the losses, they don't care about the 47 KO's they only care about the way he gets them....one day when Wlad is old and retired people will look back and come to grips with how much he accomplished and how dominant a fighter he was.

Nope, Never

Holyfield
Prime Bowe
Lewis
Prime Tyson
Michael Moorer

Would all beat Wlad, he is a very mediocre fighter in a lackluster division. I agree no one can outbox him currently, because there all stiffs.

Ruslan#3 yea ok 10 or so years ago he wouldnt even be a top 20.

Wlad is the best now, fine but its the weakest heavyweight era I can ever remember.

Congrats Wlad your king of the garbage dump

I am sorry Michael Moorer? Are you serious?

You beat me to it. Michael Moorer? Wlad would annihilate Michael Moorer.

Moorer only won the title because Evander Holyfield practicially had a heart attack during the middle of their fight. And he lost the title in his first defense to a guy who was 45 years old.

[BoxingGorilla]

You beat me to it. Michael Moorer? Wlad would annihilate Michael Moorer.

Moorer only won the title because Evander Holyfield practicially had a heart attack during the middle of their fight. And he lost the title in his first defense to a guy who was 45 years old.

LOL heart attack. I agree, it's just funny to think of someone boxing through a heart attack.

I think JT Rocksteady meant Archie Moore