Thread: Analysis: Pacquiao - Margarito

Unlike thbigger and lethargic Oscar dela Hoya, Manny Pacquaio would be fighting the naturally bigger Antonio Margarito at the catch weight of 150- pound of the Super Welterweight Division

Antonio has a six and a five reach and height advantages, respectively.

Could these edged become a factor for an upset for the Filipino pit bull? You judge after you read the following observations.

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Margarito



The Mexican is naturally bigger and arguably stronger than Pacquiao.

Experts said Manny should be fighting in the lower division of 140.1 lbs - 147 lbs Junior Welterweight where he is effective.

His celebrated chin could shame the armor of an Abrams Tank. Try to ask Miguel Cotto and Kermit Cintron on this.

He is 5’ 11“, while the Filipino is 5’ 6”.

Is it déjà vu again on November 13 to see a motley David Tua awkwardly doing a “Jumping Jack Flash” against the towering Lennox Lewis? Tua was outclassed in that year 2000 heavyweight fight.



Pacquiao

Every time he fights, survivors of Nagasaki atomic bombed blast are either traumatized or have nightmare as they remembered how that more than four tons “Fat Man" bomb born by a B-29 bomber wrought havoc to them in that fateful August of 1945.

His hands speed would look Jason Statham knife-stabbing prowess a child’s play in the flick “Expendable”

You ask Democrats Senator Harry Reid of Nevada how violently explosive Congressman Pacquiao is?

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Margarito

His go-go styles gives knock-out punchers like Pacquiao a boner.

His propensity to plunge into enemy’s territory without an effective cover is like a Scud weapon system to a Patriot missile.

Without the help of “gravestones” wrapped at his hands, the battle field would be “ceteris paribus” (all things are equal except in the male cubicles).

His reflexes to counter are slow. He has a tendency to lower his left glove from his left face after he unleashed it.



Pacquiao

Not as prepared as when he fought Miguel Cotto at the Junior Welterweight Division. To some peasants out there who just learned boxing recently, Cotto was bludgeoned in a technical knock-out by Antonio in the 11th Round in 2008.In that tussles, Miguel’s face looks like the run-away winner of a Halloween Party attended by a staff of a funeral parlor.

Manny darts his jaw like Jay Leno every time he lunges his straight left punch.

Consequently, this can be a paper target for a right hook and right upper cut from the opponent.

After he fired his right jab, he has the tendency to lower his right glove from his right face.



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Margarito



He should incessantly use his left long jabs to hit and distract Pacquio not to prepare his left counter punch. He should do these by circling Manny clock-wise.

Just like what Eric Morales has done in their first fight, a staggered Pacquaio is vulnerable to an accurate punches by bunches.

When Manny raises his left foot to set his lethal left, Margarito should step back his right foot but see to it he leaves Manny a straight strong right remembrance at the face.

He can also emulate the turtle-shell like defense of Joshua Clottey as he plowed to Manny. This to be followed by his timely long right straight and his “trademark” left hook swing to the body of the Filipino.

That kind of defense made Clottey an endorser of Glutathione products that cater for a flawless facial skin.

In that fight, he was unscathed facially while Pacquiao was transformed from his Tom Cruise-look to that of Walter Matthau.



Pacquiao


With a left punch that has a market value of a middleweight; Manny should rumble with the Mexican in close quarter so he could shoot-up with gusto his left uppercut to the usually uncovered hole straight to the chin of Margarito

Just like what Paul William and Shane Mosley (the ideal opponents that Manny should be fighting in November 13, but who are we to dispute the wisdom of Top Rank’s Bob Father Arum?) have done to the Mexican, Manny should hug Antonio as if he is in Times Square celebrating New Year after he unleashes those blinding Gatling gun’s munitions. He should do this with regularity to undermine the counter punches from the once de facto endorser of Plaster of Paris.
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Originally Posted by toto

He can also emulate the turtle-shell like defense of Joshua Clottey as he plowed to Manny. This to be followed by his timely long right straight and his “trademark” left hook swing to the body of the Filipino.

The thing though is, Margarito will be like a turtle without shell. Slow and open.

I think the major points that this fight hinges on are:
1. Margarito not fighting in a manner where he makes use of his height and reach

2. Is Pacquiao's defense good enough to withstand a continued onslaught of 100+ punches a round?

3. Is Margarito psychologically damaged by not having the loaded wraps? He hasn't competed at a high level since he got busted and vs Mosley he seemed unwilling or unable to fight like he fought vs Cotto.

I think Margarito is tough but when it gets down to brass tacks he's not incredibly skilled as a boxer and having a broken psyche I think he's ripe for the picking. Without punching power and the confidence of knowing he has a real tangible advantage I think Tony is a journeyman fighter at BEST. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think having loaded wraps not only gives you more power but it also increases your ability to take punches just by the feeling "However hard this guy hits me I can hit him harder"

you know, by most people's account here, margarito doesn't have a chance. but too bad boxing is not fought on paper. if that were true then why even have the fight? i think most of you are seriously underestimating margarito. who knows, he might even pull out a surprise and absolutely shock the world!

Originally Posted by milmascaras1

you know, by most people's account here, margarito doesn't have a chance. but too bad boxing is not fought on paper. if that were true then why even have the fight? i think most of you are seriously underestimating margarito. who knows, he might even pull out a surprise and absolutely shock the world!

I concede that it is absolutely possible Margarito wins this, but it would definitely be considered an upset.

I just think without loaded wraps that Tony is a very average boxer. That being said he's still bigger so it wouldn't shock me if he beat Pacquiao especially if we are to believe stories about how bad Manny's camp has been

Originally Posted by El Kabong

I just think without loaded wraps that Tony is a very average boxer. That being said he's still bigger so it wouldn't shock me if he beat Pacquiao especially if we are to believe stories about how bad Manny's camp has been

freddie roach reckons margs used the gloves after the paul williams fight

he fought cintron before and after and did a better job before

and i dont think his last 2 fights will be a good base to judge how he will fight on saturday

Good points Lyle, I actually want to try to ignore (for the time being) the psychological ramifications of not having loaded gloves but yeah it will be very interesting to see how much Tony is willing to go through to get at Manny. But Mosley also had to get pretty physical and take some shit to get at Tony... It would be interesting to see what Manny has to go through to get off in succession.

I know Manny has great, explosive footwork but I have a suspicion that his footwork will have to be amplified because his feet are the real things that makes all the difference in the fight... Yes he has fast hands but he absolutely needs to be in and out, in and out... Upsetting Tony's constant advances.
Mosley had the whiskers to get away with keeping much more stationary but IF Tony is on full steam Manny really will have to figit around a hell of a lot.

So if this is the case, I'd be interested to see his footwork stray towards the negative bias of 'evasive action' neglecting the art of making angles and thus being stuck in a reverse gear. If this is the case then wow, what a spectacle it will be.

If Tony's content to plod and NOT be a mean mother fucker then he will probably get stopped late.

Well vs Mosley Tony showed he could take punishment but you saw in that fight (as opposed to the Cotto fight) that when Tony got tagged he wouldn't throw back as often...he'd try to but there was a hang up a sense of desperation as soon as he got hit. Its like Tony realized "I don't have my wraps loaded, I can't hurt him" and his body language was so much different. VS Cotto Tony would get rocked and give it right back as if he was saying "I can take it and dish it out even harder than you"...I think he's a broken fighter mentally. I think the mental edge a fighter has is limitless until its broken and vs Mosley, Margarito got broken down. All Pac has to do is to push him to that level again and Tony will quit on himself.

I think Pac allows Tony to come forward and he'll draw him into a huge left uppercut and either Tony will be KO'd or his fighting spirit will vacate his body and the fight or flight system will shut down and he'll be beaten into submission

This fight is going to be good to watch. It's either going to be Manny completely destroying Margarito, or it's gonna be a competitive fight. Mosley employed a very easy game plan against Margarito: use movement and hand speed to land punches, hold to recover and thwart any Marg offense, push off to get space again, then repeat it all over again. And it worked to perfection. In the Pac/Marg fight, I think Marg has to continue pressure regardless of the punishment a la Cotto. Pac will not hold like Mosley did, he'll use his brilliant footwork to get around, but he won't hold. This means that eventually Marg will definitely get chances to mount an offense. It's up to him if he wants to fight, and I believe he does. But I think Manny's handspeed and footspeed will thwart Marg's offense each time he gets close to starting it. And the way Tony leans in, doesn't bode well for him AT ALL against Manny. Manny UD 12.

Originally Posted by El Kabong

I think the major points that this fight hinges on are:

2. Is Pacquiao's defense good enough to withstand a continued onslaught of 100+ punches a round?

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I saw some stats on Boxing scene today on Marg against southpaws. It wasnt impressive and significantly lower than against orthodox fighters. Paul Williamsis not particularly hard to hit and neither is he a backfoot boxer so I doubt Marg has suddenly found the key to left handers

I don't know why all these people are talking about Manny should get inside on Magarito, and that Margarito should try to use his height and reach.

Margarito likes to back you up, get in close and launch a million punches from a million different angles. Pacquiao likes to keep you at range, even when you are on the ropes and throw a million punches from a million different angles, while maintaining his movement. On the inside Pacquiao covers up until he discovers an avenue of escape, Margarito throws blindly on the outside until he gets inside and actually throws brilliant combinations in close. Mosley held Margarito everytime they got on the inside and he beat Antonion on the outside because that's how you are going to beat the big buy. Manny never clinches, so it should be interesting watching him try to maintain that in and out style against the constant pressure and body attack of Margarito. The only advantage Margarito's height and reach will have in this is that it will make Manny's job more difficult when it comes to combinations, and jumping in and out. Manny basically didn't throw combinations against Oscar until he had broken Oscar's will.

Originally Posted by GAME

Originally Posted by El Kabong

I think the major points that this fight hinges on are:

2. Is Pacquiao's defense good enough to withstand a continued onslaught of 100+ punches a round?

"

I saw some stats on Boxing scene today on Marg against southpaws. It wasnt impressive and significantly lower than against orthodox fighters. Paul Williamsis not particularly hard to hit and neither is he a backfoot boxer so I doubt Marg has suddenly found the key to left handers

Look how Williams fought Margarito though, he wasn't stalking in like he did against Martinez and Quintana, he kept the fight as outside as he could, and Margarito was lost in there because he was so much slower, and in this case shorter than Paul. Santos was also around his natural size.

Margarito has had more advantages when he is naturally the bigger buy, and the opponent can't physically stand up to him than anything else. I think it was more about how well Williams and Santos fought than what foot was placed forward. The way Margarito throws punches and moves it shouldn't matter what stance his opponent uses. This isn't the same issue as when Hatton stylisically had big difficulties with the right hook from southpaws.

Originally Posted by Taeth

I don't know why all these people are talking about Manny should get inside on Magarito, and that Margarito should try to use his height and reach.

Well if he was going to fight that way he would have been doing it by now. Margarito fights in a style where he's slouched over with his head in a PERFECT position to eat uppercuts all day long which is why I see Manny landing hard, backing out, allowing Tony to come back at him and then right before Tony pulls the trigger BANG left uppercut and all of a sudden Tony has a Rock'em Sock'em Robot head.

Margarito is like a cat he wants to pounce on you get you where you can't move and throw a ton of punches, he also wants to square you up to litterally fight toe to toe and that may have been fine and dandy when you're forcing a fight on someone with less skill or when you're loading your wraps, but when you're fighting someone quicker, more accurate, and someone who fights smart you're going to be in big trouble.

Margarito is a poor man's Ricky Hatton when it comes to his style of fighting. Tony's hands aren't that fast, he doesn't put combinations together all that great he just throws punches and lots of them.

If pac fights just like he fought Oscar (basically hit-and-run and softening-up strategy, and going for the kill when ready), he should have no problem. But I think he should be more cautious against Margo's power shots...