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    Default Re: Analysis: Pacquiao - Margarito

    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    I think the major points that this fight hinges on are:

    2. Is Pacquiao's defense good enough to withstand a continued onslaught of 100+ punches a round?

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    I saw some stats on Boxing scene today on Marg against southpaws. It wasnt impressive and significantly lower than against orthodox fighters. Paul Williamsis not particularly hard to hit and neither is he a backfoot boxer so I doubt Marg has suddenly found the key to left handers

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    I don't know why all these people are talking about Manny should get inside on Magarito, and that Margarito should try to use his height and reach.

    Margarito likes to back you up, get in close and launch a million punches from a million different angles. Pacquiao likes to keep you at range, even when you are on the ropes and throw a million punches from a million different angles, while maintaining his movement. On the inside Pacquiao covers up until he discovers an avenue of escape, Margarito throws blindly on the outside until he gets inside and actually throws brilliant combinations in close. Mosley held Margarito everytime they got on the inside and he beat Antonion on the outside because that's how you are going to beat the big buy. Manny never clinches, so it should be interesting watching him try to maintain that in and out style against the constant pressure and body attack of Margarito. The only advantage Margarito's height and reach will have in this is that it will make Manny's job more difficult when it comes to combinations, and jumping in and out. Manny basically didn't throw combinations against Oscar until he had broken Oscar's will.

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    Default Re: Analysis: Pacquiao - Margarito

    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    I don't know why all these people are talking about Manny should get inside on Magarito, and that Margarito should try to use his height and reach.
    Well if he was going to fight that way he would have been doing it by now. Margarito fights in a style where he's slouched over with his head in a PERFECT position to eat uppercuts all day long which is why I see Manny landing hard, backing out, allowing Tony to come back at him and then right before Tony pulls the trigger BANG left uppercut and all of a sudden Tony has a Rock'em Sock'em Robot head.

    Margarito is like a cat he wants to pounce on you get you where you can't move and throw a ton of punches, he also wants to square you up to litterally fight toe to toe and that may have been fine and dandy when you're forcing a fight on someone with less skill or when you're loading your wraps, but when you're fighting someone quicker, more accurate, and someone who fights smart you're going to be in big trouble.

    Margarito is a poor man's Ricky Hatton when it comes to his style of fighting. Tony's hands aren't that fast, he doesn't put combinations together all that great he just throws punches and lots of them.

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    Default Re: Analysis: Pacquiao - Margarito

    If pac fights just like he fought Oscar (basically hit-and-run and softening-up strategy, and going for the kill when ready), he should have no problem. But I think he should be more cautious against Margo's power shots...
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    Default Re: Analysis: Pacquiao - Margarito

    margarito needs to get after pacquiao from the beginning of the first round otherwise the fight is going to get away from him quick. if he smartly cuts off the ring, attacks the body, uses a good jab and throws a variety of punches, he's got a shot. but if he starts off slow like he usually does, it'll be too late and he might even get stopped late. one things for sure, pacquiao is there to be hit. marquez and clottey proved that.

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    I'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet. Jeff Mayweather Expects Weight-Drained Margarito To Fall - Boxing News

    Margarito will be weight drain. Jeff Mayweather and other people have speculated on this ever since Margarito last week look pretty much shredded at 154 and people were wondering how can he make 150 without any negative lingering effects. In fact at today's weigh in he looks really gaunt and not really strong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by generalbulldog View Post
    I'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet. Jeff Mayweather Expects Weight-Drained Margarito To Fall - Boxing News

    Margarito will be weight drain. Jeff Mayweather and other people have speculated on this ever since Margarito last week look pretty much shredded at 154 and people were wondering how can he make 150 without any negative lingering effects. In fact at today's weigh in he looks really gaunt and not really strong.
    Khan was saying the same thing but he has 24 hours to rehydrate if he hasnt put on much weight by fight time then we know he is weight drained like Oscar but if he is up at 160 he should have enough energy to fight at pace.

    Problem is speed. Both Haye and Pac have come in very light because theyve obviously trained for quickness. They are against guys who are big but very slow so they are banking on otspeeding them which they will.

    Marg is wide with his punches and telepgraphs each one. Pac Is like a rapid fire machine gun straight down the middle and is very quick. This will be the difference all night and its a question of how much Marg can take. His key punch is the uppercut which Clottey caught Pac with many times. If he throws it regularly he may mark Pac up which culd lead to something but the safe bet is Pac darts around Mar and its a blueprint of the Oscar fight.

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    Default Re: Analysis: Pacquiao - Margarito

    Quote Originally Posted by generalbulldog View Post
    I'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet. Jeff Mayweather Expects Weight-Drained Margarito To Fall - Boxing News

    Margarito will be weight drain. Jeff Mayweather and other people have speculated on this ever since Margarito last week look pretty much shredded at 154 and people were wondering how can he make 150 without any negative lingering effects. In fact at today's weigh in he looks really gaunt and not really strong.
    Margarito claimed he was weight drained when he fought Mosley at 147. Two weeks before the fight his weight is down to 154/155. His plan was not to be drained for this fight. His plan was to be lighter and not drained. This is just a BS excuse by people that don't want to see Pacquiao win. Margarito already stated he has no excuses.

    I'm expecting the 1st round to be a little slow from both fighters. The second round I'd expect Pacquiao to pick it up. If Pacquiao's punch is effective and Margarito's not, then I can see Margarito confidence level dropping. If Margarito's punch is effective and it slows Pacquiao pace, even though Pacquiao gets his combination's off, I expect Margarito's confidence to build. By the fifth round, I expect we'll be able to see who is going to pull it off. If we don't see Pacquiao getting off effectively by the fifth round, He'll struggle to take control. Margarito being in top shape, I can't see him being taken out by the 11th round. He's just too big unless he get's caught with a KO shot. I think it is more difficult for Margarito to catch Pacquiao but it can happen. A lot of People think Pacquiao is week to the body, because he was taken out early on in his career by a body shot. He's not, I've seen him take big shots to the body and he's always recovered.

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    Default Re: Analysis: Pacquiao - Margarito

    Quote Originally Posted by GAME View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    I think the major points that this fight hinges on are:

    2. Is Pacquiao's defense good enough to withstand a continued onslaught of 100+ punches a round?

    "
    I saw some stats on Boxing scene today on Marg against southpaws. It wasnt impressive and significantly lower than against orthodox fighters. Paul Williamsis not particularly hard to hit and neither is he a backfoot boxer so I doubt Marg has suddenly found the key to left handers
    Look how Williams fought Margarito though, he wasn't stalking in like he did against Martinez and Quintana, he kept the fight as outside as he could, and Margarito was lost in there because he was so much slower, and in this case shorter than Paul. Santos was also around his natural size.

    Margarito has had more advantages when he is naturally the bigger buy, and the opponent can't physically stand up to him than anything else. I think it was more about how well Williams and Santos fought than what foot was placed forward. The way Margarito throws punches and moves it shouldn't matter what stance his opponent uses. This isn't the same issue as when Hatton stylisically had big difficulties with the right hook from southpaws.

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