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The Ring P4P List as of May 3, 2009
1. PAC
2. JMM
3. B-Hop
4. Mosley
5. Vazquez
6. Rafa Marquez
7. Cotto
8. Nonito Donaire Jr.
9. Darchinyan
10. Caballero
Hatton is out from the top 10...
Donaire is one notch higher than Darchinyan... of course... ;D
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It's good to see Donaire in the top 10! Well deserved IMO.
I think Paul Williams is missing from that list though...
I'm sorry but wtf is up with those last 3, total bullshit, none of them should be up there.
Where is Chad Dawson? Mayweather should be in the top 10 already even though he is coming out of retirement. JML is better than those three right now and has beaten better guys. IMO Wladimir Klitschko has beaten better opposition than them, Paul Williams should be ahead of them, Adamek? Shane Fucking Mosley?
I think Mosley is #4?Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Donaire has lots of potential to follow PAC... No, Donaire is not the next Pacquiao coz "there's only one Manny Pacquiao"...
Donaire will be Donaire, a very skilled, smart, intelligent boxer... I want to see fights where his toughness, heart and guts will be fully tested...
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How can donaire be higher then vic? What has donaire done since beating him? Vic has won more titles and moved up in weight and beat better fighters and donaire has fought like twice since and he moves ahead of vic. Bullshit if you ask me.
What has donaire done to be higher than Vic? Well the answer is simple. He TKoed Vic badly and skillfully that I can't see Vic winning if they fight again.:cool:
And whats your point? If hatton beat pacman, does hatton jump to number 1? It does not work like that. Vic has done way more then what donaire has done in the last 12 months. Donaire is living off the one win, he has done shit all since it. If anything he should fall out of the p4p list. Its like when Jermaine Taylor beat hopkins, i think at the time hopkins was number 1 and he got beat...he fell in the list but taylor didnt automatically jump in front of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
The point is, Donaire is better than Vic. Hatton beating Pac is different because it's clear that there are more fighter worthy of top 1 e.g. JMM.Quote:
Originally Posted by snakeyAnd whats your point? If hatton beat pacman, does hatton jump to number 1? It does not work like that. Vic has done way more then what donaire has done in the last 12 months. Donaire is living off the one win, he has done shit all since it. If anything he should fall out of the p4p list. Its like when Jermaine Taylor beat hopkins, i think at the time hopkins was number 1 and he got beat...he fell in the list but taylor didnt automatically jump in front of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
Putting Donaire in front of Vic is valid since they're not fighting for the #1 position. It's like Hopkins beating Pavlik. Hope you see the point. You can't put pavlik over Hopkins no matter how inactive hopkins was before the fight.
But im not saying before the fight mate,donaire has done shit all recently. Vic has dominated arce, mijares, kirilov since donaire. Who has donaire beat since that fight? It does not matter about how skilled the fighter seems to be, it goes on what you have done recently. Donaire might of beat a couple of fighters since that fight but were they world class? Are they as good as what those 3 fighters vic dominated? If they are not then vic should be put ahead as he has done much more. P4P has always been about what you have done recently...when they update it the last couple of spots have always been dealt with in a "what have you done for me lately" kind of attitude. I agree the top spots are thought about more because they are at the top and if they are inactive then they get some slack.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruceleeThe point is, Donaire is better than Vic. Hatton beating Pac is different because it's clear that there are more fighter worthy of top 1 e.g. JMM.Quote:
Originally Posted by snakeyAnd whats your point? If hatton beat pacman, does hatton jump to number 1? It does not work like that. Vic has done way more then what donaire has done in the last 12 months. Donaire is living off the one win, he has done shit all since it. If anything he should fall out of the p4p list. Its like when Jermaine Taylor beat hopkins, i think at the time hopkins was number 1 and he got beat...he fell in the list but taylor didnt automatically jump in front of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
Putting Donaire in front of Vic is valid since they're not fighting for the #1 position. It's like Hopkins beating Pavlik. Hope you see the point. You can't put pavlik over Hopkins no matter how inactive hopkins was before the fight.
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Originally Posted by snakeyBut im not saying before the fight mate,donaire has done shit all recently. Vic has dominated arce, mijares, kirilov since donaire. Who has donaire beat since that fight? It does not matter about how skilled the fighter seems to be, it goes on what you have done recently. Donaire might of beat a couple of fighters since that fight but were they world class? Are they as good as what those 3 fighters vic dominated? If they are not then vic should be put ahead as he has done much more. P4P has always been about what you have done recently...when they update it the last couple of spots have always been dealt with in a "what have you done for me lately" kind of attitude. I agree the top spots are thought about more because they are at the top and if they are inactive then they get some slack.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruceleeThe point is, Donaire is better than Vic. Hatton beating Pac is different because it's clear that there are more fighter worthy of top 1 e.g. JMM.Quote:
Originally Posted by snakey
Putting Donaire in front of Vic is valid since they're not fighting for the #1 position. It's like Hopkins beating Pavlik. Hope you see the point. You can't put pavlik over Hopkins no matter how inactive hopkins was before the fight.
Ranking pound for pound really is very tricky. For now, Vic needs to fight Donaire. If he wins, he could jump 3 to 4 spots.:cool:
Donaire knockout Vic cold...Quote:
Originally Posted by snakey
Beat Maldonado, Mthalane and Martinez... All are excellent wins specially the last one...Quote:
Originally Posted by snakey
Vic was already on Ring Mag's top 10 P4P list before the Donaire-Martinez fight... So Ring Mag did recognized Vic's accomplishment... It's only that Ring Mag was so impressed of Donaire's trashing of Martinez and they placed Donaire in the top 10 just ahead of Vic...;)Quote:
Originally Posted by snakey
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I was about to mention those names but that would be enticing more debates. ;D Just to make the argument short, Donaire's current wins were impressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerDonaire knockout Vic cold...Quote:
Originally Posted by snakey
Beat Maldonado, Mthalane and Martinez... All are excellent wins specially the last one...Quote:
Originally Posted by snakey
Vic was already on Ring Mag's top 10 P4P list before the Donaire-Martinez fight... So Ring Mag did recognized Vic's accomplishment... It's only that Ring Mag was so impressed of Donaire's trashing of Martinez and they placed Donaire in the top 10 just ahead of Vic...;)Quote:
Originally Posted by snakey
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Yeah yeah, i just thought well using mijares as a door mat who was ranked p4p, knocking out arce who most thought was one of the best there was to offer and kirilov who had been a highly spoken of by everybody would qualify more then maldonado who vic had already knocked out, Mthalane who had fought nobody (last fight was against hussein who arce knocked out in 2) and Martinez whos record looks like the mexican cab driver listings ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by bruceleeI was about to mention those names but that would be enticing more debates. ;D Just to make the argument short, Donaire's current wins were impressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerDonaire knockout Vic cold...Quote:
Originally Posted by snakey
Beat Maldonado, Mthalane and Martinez... All are excellent wins specially the last one...
Vic was already on Ring Mag's top 10 P4P list before the Donaire-Martinez fight... So Ring Mag did recognized Vic's accomplishment... It's only that Ring Mag was so impressed of Donaire's trashing of Martinez and they placed Donaire in the top 10 just ahead of Vic...;)Quote:
Originally Posted by snakey
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I'm actually a bit torn about whether or not Donaire deserves to be before or after Vic. I agree that Donaire should be ranked ahead of Vic because Donaire dominated him in their fight. BUT I also think Vic should be ahead of Donaire because Vic has been doing some big things lately. I guess it's subjective to what you think is more important: head-to-head (years ago) or recent activity.